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[GMCnet] New GMCer [message #68972] |
Wed, 30 December 2009 17:43 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726 Registered: March 2004 Location: Americus, GA
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Billy Massey informed me yesterday that Dr. Oldsmobile, Joe Mondello, has
acquired a GMC and joined GMCMI. Since he now lives in Crossville, TN, I
took the liberty of inviting him, by email, to join the Dixielanders and
Eastern States. Last night I got an answer from his wife, Mary, asking a
few more questions and telling me that they're leaving 4 Jan to go pick it
up. I sent her still more information, including a copy of the Black List.
This afternoon, Joe called me. We spent 45 - 60 minutes talking about GMC
clubs, GMC's, Oldsmobile engines, Tennessee, intake manifolds, etc., etc.,
etc.
He's volunteered, and committed to presenting seminars at rallies.
Specifically, he'll tell us at Bean Station about his new facility in
Crossville, new techniques and equipment they're using on engines, and
answer questions. He's even volunteered to have a rally at his 17 acre
facility (dry camping though), including touring his facility, etc.
If he becomes 1/10th as enthusiastic about GMC's as he is about Olds
engines, we'll have a great new member. He said he's admired the GMC for
years but just never seemed to have the time to bother getting one. A
friend on the west coast who's downgrading to a bigger new coach made him an
offer he couldn't refuse, so they're going after it.
During our conversation, we got into intake manifolds. I told him I'd first
bought and used his zinc to fill intake crossovers about 8 years ago, etc.
He doesn't care much for how we're doing it. He says that by only filling
the crossover, even with the SS plates, we're not protecting the manifold
from enough heat and potential distortion. He says that every Olds engine
he builds has the crossover port in the HEAD filled with zinc, as well as
filling the intake crossover (which he noted, by the way, could be done with
'most anything, even epoxy, since the zinc in the head shields it from
intense heat.
In response to my inquiry about erosion of the zinc, he said he's got an
Olds racecar engine he's run for 11 years without any erosion. To my
comment that some of us protect the zinc with SS plates, he reiterated that
the heat still gets to the manifold. He did agree, though that a filled
crossover is far, far better than an open on. And he confirmed that the
zinc WILL fill leaking cracks -- I've never been completely satisfied that
the different coefficients of expansion of iron and zinc wouldn't generate
potential leakage paths; apparently not.
A lot of renowned "experts" are standoffish and seemingly don't want to be
bothered or want to keep their secrets. I found none of that in Joe; he
claims to love doing what he does, goes to work 5 days a week, including
personally building engines, teaching classes, racing, etc. Very open and
outgoing. We'll enjoy him.
Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #68984 is a reply to message #68972] |
Wed, 30 December 2009 21:52 |
Gerald Wheeler
Messages: 152 Registered: February 2004
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Ken,
Great news about Joe Mondello. I have bought several products from him
over the years. It will be interesting to compare Joe and Paterson's views
on the Olds engines.............
Good luck on your TBI; you will get it right eventually.
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR
jrwheeler7@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>
> To: <undisclosed-recipients:>
> Date: 12/30/2009 9:33:59 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] New GMCer
>
> Billy Massey informed me yesterday that Dr. Oldsmobile, Joe Mondello, has
> acquired a GMC and joined GMCMI. Since he now lives in Crossville, TN, I
> took the liberty of inviting him, by email, to join the Dixielanders and
> Eastern States. Last night I got an answer from his wife, Mary, asking a
> few more questions and telling me that they're leaving 4 Jan to go pick it
> up. I sent her still more information, including a copy of the Black
List.
>
> This afternoon, Joe called me. We spent 45 - 60 minutes talking about GMC
> clubs, GMC's, Oldsmobile engines, Tennessee, intake manifolds, etc., etc.,
> etc.
>
> He's volunteered, and committed to presenting seminars at rallies.
> Specifically, he'll tell us at Bean Station about his new facility in
> Crossville, new techniques and equipment they're using on engines, and
> answer questions. He's even volunteered to have a rally at his 17 acre
> facility (dry camping though), including touring his facility, etc.
>
> If he becomes 1/10th as enthusiastic about GMC's as he is about Olds
> engines, we'll have a great new member. He said he's admired the GMC for
> years but just never seemed to have the time to bother getting one. A
> friend on the west coast who's downgrading to a bigger new coach made him
an
> offer he couldn't refuse, so they're going after it.
>
> During our conversation, we got into intake manifolds. I told him I'd
first
> bought and used his zinc to fill intake crossovers about 8 years ago, etc.
> He doesn't care much for how we're doing it. He says that by only
filling
> the crossover, even with the SS plates, we're not protecting the manifold
> from enough heat and potential distortion. He says that every Olds engine
> he builds has the crossover port in the HEAD filled with zinc, as well as
> filling the intake crossover (which he noted, by the way, could be done
with
> 'most anything, even epoxy, since the zinc in the head shields it from
> intense heat.
>
> In response to my inquiry about erosion of the zinc, he said he's got an
> Olds racecar engine he's run for 11 years without any erosion. To my
> comment that some of us protect the zinc with SS plates, he reiterated
that
> the heat still gets to the manifold. He did agree, though that a filled
> crossover is far, far better than an open on. And he confirmed that the
> zinc WILL fill leaking cracks -- I've never been completely satisfied that
> the different coefficients of expansion of iron and zinc wouldn't generate
> potential leakage paths; apparently not.
>
> A lot of renowned "experts" are standoffish and seemingly don't want to be
> bothered or want to keep their secrets. I found none of that in Joe; he
> claims to love doing what he does, goes to work 5 days a week, including
> personally building engines, teaching classes, racing, etc. Very open and
> outgoing. We'll enjoy him.
>
> Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #68995 is a reply to message #68984] |
Wed, 30 December 2009 23:10 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Ken,
I'd say Joe and Dick are kindred spirits; two gear heads that LOVE what
they're doing.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Wheeler
Ken,
It will be interesting to compare Joe and Paterson's views on the Olds
engines.............
JR Wheeler
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Henderson
A lot of renowned "experts" are standoffish and seemingly don't want to be
bothered or want to keep their secrets. I found none of that in Joe; he
claims to love doing what he does, goes to work 5 days a week, including
personally building engines, teaching classes, racing, etc. Very open and
outgoing. We'll enjoy him.
Ken H.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69134 is a reply to message #68995] |
Thu, 31 December 2009 18:52 |
jimk
Messages: 6734 Registered: July 2006 Location: Belmont, CA
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I tend to not go with Joe's comment that zinc will stay in the head on
a motor home. In a race car, yes.
I have seen this several times.
There is not one person that I believe 100%.
I'm always learning from others and Dick Patterson knows he doesnot
have all the answers.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Ken,
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> I'd say Joe and Dick are kindred spirits; two gear heads that LOVE what
> they're doing.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald Wheeler
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> Ken,
>
> It will be interesting to compare Joe and Paterson's views on the Olds
> engines.............
>
> JR Wheeler
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Henderson
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> A lot of renowned "experts" are standoffish and seemingly don't want to be
> bothered or want to keep their secrets. Â I found none of that in Joe; he
> claims to love doing what he does, goes to work 5 days a week, including
> personally building engines, teaching classes, racing, etc. Very open and
> outgoing. Â We'll enjoy him.
>
> Ken H.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69140 is a reply to message #69135] |
Thu, 31 December 2009 19:27 |
jimk
Messages: 6734 Registered: July 2006 Location: Belmont, CA
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Dan,
I'm speaking in regards to engines and GMC MH only.
Dick Patterson is never hesitant to say that he is not sure or have no idea.
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> And here I thought you liked me because I was always truthful. Live and learn. :lol:
> Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69141 is a reply to message #69134] |
Thu, 31 December 2009 19:38 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Jim,
I appreciate and agree that the engine in a motorhome could / would work
harder than one in a race car which would drive the temperature of the
cylinder heads up and I don't mean to be difficult but has anyone tried
filling the head of a 455 or 403 in a GMC with zinc and have it fail?
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 11:53 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer
I tend to not go with Joe's comment that zinc will stay in the head on
a motor home. In a race car, yes.
I have seen this several times.
There is not one person that I believe 100%.
I'm always learning from others and Dick Patterson knows he doesnot
have all the answers.
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69143 is a reply to message #69141] |
Thu, 31 December 2009 19:47 |
roy1
Messages: 2126 Registered: July 2004 Location: Minden nevada
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rob
If I remember correctly Chuck Garton tried filling the heads and had a problem after a while but I may remembering wrong.
Roy
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69149 is a reply to message #69141] |
Thu, 31 December 2009 20:14 |
jimk
Messages: 6734 Registered: July 2006 Location: Belmont, CA
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We had 2 customers here that had the head filled with Zinc. It was not
there when we tore down the units.
Not easy to fill the head as there is a point where you need to stop
before you block the exhaust going out. Look at a head both sides and
you'll see.
Did you know that you can have a piece of metal travel from one
cylinder to another?
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I appreciate and agree that the engine in a motorhome could / would work
> harder than one in a race car which would drive the temperature of the
> cylinder heads up and I don't mean to be difficult but has anyone tried
> filling the head of a 455 or 403 in a GMC with zinc and have it fail?
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 11:53 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer
>
> I tend to not go with Joe's comment that zinc will stay in the head on
> a motor home. In a race car, yes.
> I have seen this several times.
> There is not one person that I believe 100%.
> I'm always learning from others and Dick Patterson knows he doesnot
> have all the answers.
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69150 is a reply to message #69149] |
Thu, 31 December 2009 20:37 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Jim,
Well that's that!
Thanks,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 1:14 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer
We had 2 customers here that had the head filled with Zinc. It was not
there when we tore down the units.
Not easy to fill the head as there is a point where you need to stop
before you block the exhaust going out. Look at a head both sides and
you'll see.
Did you know that you can have a piece of metal travel from one
cylinder to another?
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69168 is a reply to message #69125] |
Fri, 01 January 2010 01:16 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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comcast wrote on Thu, 31 December 2009 17:09 | As far as I remember, there are two campgrounds on the road to
Fairfield Glade not far off the interstate. I can look them up if any
one is interested or we can contact some GMC'ers who live there.
Roger
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Who needs hookups. I can live on 12 volts for a few days. I would rather be on site. Camping fees would more than pay for a few gallons of gas in the generator if needed.
I went to the 49ers Port Costa rally in November with no hookups. It was one of the best rallies I ever attended. Great people and a great rally there.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] New GMCer [message #69178 is a reply to message #69168] |
Fri, 01 January 2010 07:53 |
klassic kampers
Messages: 93 Registered: July 2008 Location: greer,s.c./ellijay,ga
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this is Joe's restored AA/FA Fiat being fired up in 2007......always wanted to see this car run but the AA/FA guys rarely came to the east coast.....I understand the vintage AA/FA circuit is now making east of the mississippi tours now.....
this car is powered by a BB Chevy but was my favorite of the fuel altereds........really glad to hear he is now in our area now ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYiXAFXQCzs&feature=related
Mike Stewart
1973 GMC 26' Canyonlands /
1973 B.S.A. B50 street tracker-----
Greer,S.C/Ellijay,Ga
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