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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67127 is a reply to message #67120] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 17:13   |
scott cowden
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Bruce;
If you're going to use the provided transfer switch, I'd take the time to ensure it meets canadian regs. It looks different from what I'm used to seeing, but that may not mean anything.
I'm not enamoured with chinese technology, I have to say, and would take the time to ensure that the switch meets codes before permanently installing it in your homes' circuits.
If the gen goes bad, it will quit, leaving you in the cold, or it might damage your equipment if it produces bad voltage [too much/too little/wrong hertz].
if the transfer switch goes bad, it could also leave you in the dark, or cause a fire and if the equipment isn't CSA/ULC approved, be prepared for a battle with your insurer.
I do some consulting with a large generator supplier/manufacturer/installer. If I can help you, contact me off-net.
good luck.
Scott '74 Glacier Orillia, ON, Canada
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: bruce@perthcomm.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:10:49 -0600
> Subject: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
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> I'm not planning on using this generator in the GMC, just for home emergencies.
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> You see these Chinese made diesel generators sold under lots of brand names. The one I am looking at looks like this one, can't remember the name though... comes out of the same cookie cutter though:
> http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Silent-Diesel-Generator-6500-6-5kw-w-ATS-w-REMOTE_W0QQitemZ250509288987QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Generators?ssPageName=RSS:B:SHOP: CA:105
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> Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them.. good/bad or indifferent.
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> thanks
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> --
> Bruce Hislop,
> S. Ontario Canada
> 77PB, 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67130 is a reply to message #67127] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 17:56 |
dmumert
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Hi All
Here is an interesting 'transfer switch'
http://www.generatorsolutions.ca/generlink/index.php
They also have a good selection of generators at
http://www.generatorsolutions.ca/index.php
Dave
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
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> Bruce;
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> If you're going to use the provided transfer switch, I'd take the time
> to ensure it meets canadian regs. It looks different from what I'm
> used to seeing, but that may not mean anything.
>
> I'm not enamoured with chinese technology, I have to say, and would
> take the time to ensure that the switch meets codes before permanently
> installing it in your homes' circuits.
>
> If the gen goes bad, it will quit, leaving you in the cold, or it might
> damage your equipment if it produces bad voltage [too much/too
> little/wrong hertz].
>
> if the transfer switch goes bad, it could also leave you in the dark,
> or cause a fire and if the equipment isn't CSA/ULC approved, be
> prepared for a battle with your insurer.
>
> I do some consulting with a large generator
> supplier/manufacturer/installer. If I can help you, contact me off-
> net.
>
> good luck.
>
> Scott '74 Glacier Orillia, ON, Canada
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| Re: Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67132 is a reply to message #67120] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 18:33 |
Rusty
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I also am not very enamoured with chinese technology, or sheetrock for that matter. Even nuts and bolts I buy these days, seem to break more, although a copper 90 fitting I recently put into my kitchen plumbing that sprung a leak in the side of it and I blamed it on china, turned out to be made in michigan. That said - I really feel more and more, with all the economic issues and global currency conflicts, as americans we are going to have to start buying american again even if it costs more. Its the only way we have a chance. This will be difficult for sure, since just about everything is made in china, but if we started off by at least looking at where made labels for a third of what we want to buy, it would be a start. Its not about patriotism. Its about survival.
Rusty
75 Glenbrook
Philadelphia Pa
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67134 is a reply to message #67132] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 18:38 |
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hnielsen2
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Amen
Check the label
Howard
Alpine Ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rusty" <gmc@bauerlein.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
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> I also am not very enamoured with chinese technology, or sheetrock for
> that matter. Even nuts and bolts I buy these days, seem to break more,
> although a copper 90 fitting I recently put into my kitchen plumbing that
> sprung a leak in the side of it and I blamed it on china, turned out to be
> made in michigan. That said - I really feel more and more, with all the
> economic issues and global currency conflicts, as americans we are going
> to have to start buying american again even if it costs more. Its the only
> way we have a chance. This will be difficult for sure, since just about
> everything is made in china, but if we started off by at least looking at
> where made labels for a third of what we want to buy, it would be a start.
> Its not about patriotism. Its about survival.
> --
> Rusty
> 75 Glenbrook
> Philadelphia Pa
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67135 is a reply to message #67132] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 19:09 |
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Rusty,
Here's the way Aussies handle this.
http://www.australianmade.com.au/australianmade
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 11:33 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
I also am not very enamoured with chinese technology, or sheetrock for that
matter. Even nuts and bolts I buy these days, seem to break more, although a
copper 90 fitting I recently put into my kitchen plumbing that sprung a leak
in the side of it and I blamed it on china, turned out to be made in
michigan. That said - I really feel more and more, with all the economic
issues and global currency conflicts, as americans we are going to have to
start buying american again even if it costs more. Its the only way we have
a chance. This will be difficult for sure, since just about everything is
made in china, but if we started off by at least looking at where made
labels for a third of what we want to buy, it would be a start. Its not
about patriotism. Its about survival.
--
Rusty
75 Glenbrook
Philadelphia Pa
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67137 is a reply to message #67127] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 19:29 |
k2gkk
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Hi, Bruce. Here in central Oklahoma, power outages due to
ice storms (and sometimes tornados) CAN leave you without
power for extended periods of time. I had a "roll-around"
genset that I bought in anticipation of a big ice storm
that was forecast to hit just before Christmas, so I bought
a 6kW version.
As fate would have it, the icing and outages of power began
about 25 miles east of us and we didn't need it (this time).
A couple of years later, a tornado came through our area and
missed the house by under 1/2 mile but took out our power.
This time, I was ready. I used NO transfer switch, but
simply disconnected our main breaker and back-fed an unused
120-0-120 Volt dryer outlet to keep using refrigeration, and
lights. That genset was not enough to also run our house
A/C system.
A couple of years later, the generator and other stuff was
stolen out of our garage and I resolved to be a bit less
Rube Goldberg when I replaced the stolen genset. This time,
I got an 8 kW Troy-built genset and I think it will run my
A/C system as it has something like a 9.5 kW start limit.
I bought a manual "mains disconnect" switch to mount on the
outside wall and had a licensed electrician wire it into my
house system. I used a waterproof "marine" 4-wire system
to connect genset to disconnect box. I can power ALL the
circuits in the house this way. Obviously, I can't max out
each circuit, but I don't have to worry much what I turn on
and where it is plugged in.
I did NOT want an automatic system or run Diesel. Even in
the event of a fairly widespread power outage, I'm quite
satisfied that I can drive to get fuel and not have to worry
about either gasoline or Diesel fuel going bad.
If I wished to have a "permanent" installation, I would use
natural gas for fuel. Propane is also a good option if you
don't have natural gas available. Both of these are immune
to fuel deterioration under most conditions.
I hope this provides some ideas as to where one might wish
to go.
I do note that the eBay seller claims multiple governmental
approvals for the product in the auction.
Good luck to you, Bruce, and any others considering setting
up an emergency power capability.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Oklahoma City, OK
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:13:54 +0000
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
Bruce; If you're going to use the provided transfer switch, I'd take
the time to ensure it meets canadian regs. It looks different from
what I'm used to seeing, but that may not mean anything.
I'm not enamoured with chinese technology, I have to say, and would
take the time to ensure that the switch meets codes before permanently
installing it in your homes' circuits.
If the gen goes bad, it will quit, leaving you in the cold, or it
might damage your equipment if it produces bad voltage
[too much/too little/wrong hertz].
if the transfer switch goes bad, it could also leave you in the dark,
or cause a fire and if the equipment isn't CSA/ULC approved, be prepared
for a battle with your insurer.
I do some consulting with a large generator supplier/manufacturer/installer.
If I can help you, contact me off-net.
good luck.
Scott '74 Glacier
Orillia, ON, Canada
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To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
From: bruce@perthcomm.com
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:10:49 -0600
Subject: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
I'm not planning on using this generator in the GMC, just for home
emergencies. You see these Chinese made diesel generators sold under
lots of brand names. The one I am looking at looks like this one,
can't remember the name though... comes out of the same cookie cutter though:
( http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Silent-Diesel-Generator-6500-6-5kw-w-ATS-w-REMOTE_W0QQitemZ250509288987QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Generators?ssPageName=RSS:B:SHOP: CA:105)
Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with them.. good/bad or
indifferent.
thanks -- Bruce
Hislop,S. Ontario Canada
77PB, 455
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=1906
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67153 is a reply to message #67132] |
Fri, 11 December 2009 07:01 |
Gary Casey
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Very well said, Rusty. At the risk of drifting off the intent of the list, I'll offer an opinion - probably no more accurate than my technical ones, but just as accurate as that of any politician, I'll wager. Your opinion seems to be based as much on practical matters as it is on "patriotic" ones. Why is there a practical reason for buying locally (American in this case)? I believe that any time a dollar goes outside our country we have to somehow pay to have it come back. Since we don't produce as much these days, the only way is to convince the person with the dollar to buy something we have. We don't have products they can buy partly because of their import quotas and taxes. So we either have to borrow it back or sell our property and that's like burning the furniture to keep warm. We're down to selling roads and ports. We're now starting to borrow money to pay the interest on money we've borrowed.
So what to do? The only rational, though unpopular thing is to tax the exportation of money. Pretty much an import tax. What's it cost us to bring a dollar back? No idea. A more general idea is to decide what activities are not in the public good and tax the ones that aren't while giving tax credits for those that are. Oops, sounds leftist. The only thing that seems to be in the public good is to borrow money to own a house. Oops, too much of that got us into trouble. It is apparently not in the public good to pay for healthcare, including insurance as most of that is not deductible. Carbon is apparently the culprit regarding global warming, but we don't tax coal. Go figure.
I bought a couple of copper pipe fittings from Home Depot and they leaked at the thread. I wandered through Lowes and saw the same fitting, but it looked different - better thread configuration. Tried it and it didn't leak. Difference? The one that leaked was from China and the one that didn't was from the USA. Would I pay more for that? Yes, but on a practical basis, not patriotic.
sorry to use up more bandwidth...
Gary
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From: Rusty <gmc@bauerlein.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 5:33:25 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators
I also am not very enamoured with chinese technology, or sheetrock for that matter. Even nuts and bolts I buy these days, seem to break more, although a copper 90 fitting I recently put into my kitchen plumbing that sprung a leak in the side of it and I blamed it on china, turned out to be made in michigan. That said - I really feel more and more, with all the economic issues and global currency conflicts, as americans we are going to have to start buying american again even if it costs more. Its the only way we have a chance. This will be difficult for sure, since just about everything is made in china, but if we started off by at least looking at where made labels for a third of what we want to buy, it would be a start. Its not about patriotism. Its about survival.
--
Rusty
75 Glenbrook
Philadelphia Pa
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| Re: Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67202 is a reply to message #67120] |
Fri, 11 December 2009 14:40 |
ANTONY P MARSH
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Howdy All,
I bought one of these beauties about three years ago under a different name - but it looks exactly the same. Wilma made me decide I needed a diesel genny - this was about the most reasonable at the time.
As it happens - it has sat in my garden shed with all the cords and diesel - just waiting for an emergency. All the hurricanes since I bought this "insurance" have avoided SW Florida. Lucky I got it huh.
Best wishes to all for a very Happy Christmas.
Peter Marsh
'78 Royale
Naples FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Anyone have any experience with these generators [message #67213 is a reply to message #67202] |
Fri, 11 December 2009 17:31 |
jw mills
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The genny kept them away just like a big ugly dog.
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Jim Mills
Greeley, CO
1973 CanyonLands 260 TZE-063V100731(under renovation)
1973 Glacier 230 TZE-033V101993
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 14:40 -0600, ANTONY P MARSH wrote:
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> Howdy All,
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> I bought one of these beauties about three years ago under a different name - but it looks exactly the same. Wilma made me decide I needed a diesel genny - this was about the most reasonable at the time.
>
> As it happens - it has sat in my garden shed with all the cords and diesel - just waiting for an emergency. All the hurricanes since I bought this "insurance" have avoided SW Florida. Lucky I got it huh.
>
> Best wishes to all for a very Happy Christmas.
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