Home » Public Forums » GMCnet » Frame Repair
| Frame Repair [message #66032] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 23:33  |
AStasunas
Messages: 58
Registered: April 2009
Location: Winter Springs, Fl
Karma: 0
|
Member |
|
|
I am restoring a 1975 Eleganza. I just removed the bogies and I discovered rust behind the wheels. The drivers side is the worst with some areas bowed from rust and delaminating. While it is not rusted through I think I should deal with it. My plan is to get some 1/8 in steel bent in an "L" and removed the side and bottom portion either side of the bogie mounts and weld the new pieces in place.
Any one with similar experiences and/or advice will be appreciated.
"Vinnie"
1975 Eleganza,
Winter Springs, Fl
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66047 is a reply to message #66032] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 06:43  |
GMCWiperMan
Messages: 1248
Registered: December 2007
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Anthony,
Where are you located? That information frequently affects the advice you
receive, especially regarding where to turn for assistance.
There are folks around with experience at frame rail replacement. You may
find a more satisfactory and, perhaps, economical solution by dealing with
someone who's done it before. The idea of welding in frame members is NOT
appealing; that usually results in unrelieved stresses and subsequent
failures. Replacement of the entire straight section side frame rails is
probably a better option and not as overwhelming a task as it first appears.
JMHO -- I haven't yet needed to do it, thank goodness.
--
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Anthony Stasunas <AStasunas@aol.com>wrote:
> ...... My plan is to get some 1/8 in steel bent in an "L" and removed the
> side and bottom portion either side of the bogie mounts and weld the new
> pieces in place.
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: Frame Repair [message #66075 is a reply to message #66032] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 09:16 |
AStasunas
Messages: 58
Registered: April 2009
Location: Winter Springs, Fl
Karma: 0
|
Member |
|
|
Ken,
Thanks for the response. I live in Central Florida.
Regarding Frame Rail replacement, any source on how to do that?
"Vinnie"
1975 Eleganza,
Winter Springs, Fl
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66091 is a reply to message #66075] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 11:32 |
GMCWiperMan
Messages: 1248
Registered: December 2007
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Anthony,
Don Stuckey in Canada is the pre-eminent frame source; he supplies heavier
than original rails beautifully epoxy finished. He also has crossmembers
now. But his prices, with added customs (?) and shipping are pretty stiff.
You can find his contact information at www.bdub.net.
There is a GMCer near Chicago who has replaced side rails on several
coaches, without removing the entire frame, IIRC. He's not "in the
business" so I won't publish his name, but I'm sending it to you off-net.
He might be able to ship you rails more cheaply; I don't know.
Ken H.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Anthony Stasunas <AStasunas@aol.com>wrote:
>
>
> Ken,
>
> Thanks for the response. I live in Central Florida.
>
> Regarding Frame Rail replacement, any source on how to do that?
> _______________________________________________
>
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: Frame Repair [message #66099 is a reply to message #66032] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 12:00 |
fred v
Messages: 999
Registered: April 2006
Location: pensacola, fl.
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
there is a frame available here in Pensacola, Fl. from a '78 Royale and it is in very nice condition. coach rolled over and is being used for parts.
Jim Bounds may be able to change out the rails.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66100 is a reply to message #66091] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 11:59 |
jimk
Messages: 6734
Registered: July 2006
Location: Belmont, CA
Karma: 9
|
Senior Member |
|
|
We in California have done several frame jobs.
We purchase the outer perimeter rail from Dan Stucky. He was the one
that supervised our first frame Job few years ago.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Ken Henderson <ken0henderson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anthony,
>
> Don Stuckey in Canada is the pre-eminent frame source; he supplies heavier
> than original rails beautifully epoxy finished. Â He also has crossmembers
> now. Â But his prices, with added customs (?) and shipping are pretty stiff.
> Â You can find his contact information at www.bdub.net.
>
> There is a GMCer near Chicago who has replaced side rails on several
> coaches, without removing the entire frame, IIRC. Â He's not "in the
> business" so I won't publish his name, but I'm sending it to you off-net.
> Â He might be able to ship you rails more cheaply; I don't know.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Anthony Stasunas <AStasunas@aol.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I live in Central Florida.
>>
>> Regarding Frame Rail replacement, any source on how to do that?
>> _______________________________________________
>>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66105 is a reply to message #66100] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 12:55 |
k2gkk
Messages: 4452
Registered: November 2009
Karma: -8
|
Senior Member |
|
|
While I don't doubt that a new frame would be rather
costly, I wonder what "CUSTOMS" (meaning import duties)
would be required. If the new frame is carrying your
coach back to USA how would anybody know it's new?
Even so, some accounts as to the costs paid by others
for this renewal might be of interest, especially to
those of us who haven't gotten into owning a GMC yet!
For a coach in otherwise excellent condition, it might
be worth the expense.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Oklahoma City, OK
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Ken Henderson wrote:
Anthony,
Don Stuckey in Canada is the pre-eminent frame source; he supplies heavier
than original rails beautifully epoxy finished. He also has crossmembers
now. But his prices, with added customs (?) and shipping are pretty stiff.
You can find his contact information at www.bdub.net.
There is a GMCer near Chicago who has replaced side rails on several
coaches, without removing the entire frame, IIRC. He's not "in the
business" so I won't publish his name, but I'm sending it to you off-net.
He might be able to ship you rails more cheaply; I don't know.
Ken H.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Anthony Stasunas wrote:
Ken,
Thanks for the response. I live in Central Florida.
Regarding Frame Rail replacement, any source on how to do that?
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66216 is a reply to message #66083] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 22:40 |
|
|
| Tangerine wrote on Mon, 30 November 2009 10:29 |
I had a new frame installed last year. It was very expensive and took 6
weeks.
|
I had the two side rails and bogie support frame replaced a few years ago. My son and one of my nephews (a crackerjack millwright) did the work in about 3 and 1/2 days, wheels off the ground to wheels back on the ground. Parts were from Cinibar and were not inexpensive. I did a complete writeup here on the Forum at the time.
Little Yimmy - W9VUA
75 PB - F260206
Twin Cities, MN
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66220 is a reply to message #66216] |
Mon, 30 November 2009 23:19 |
AStasunas
Messages: 58
Registered: April 2009
Location: Winter Springs, Fl
Karma: 0
|
Member |
|
|
Jim,
When you did the frame replacement did you support the body and roll the chassis out or did you do it in place?
If I do any replacement I only think I need to do the side rails and wonder if I can simply raise the body enough to remove the side rails in place.
"Vinnie"
1975 Eleganza,
Winter Springs, Fl
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66237 is a reply to message #66233] |
Tue, 01 December 2009 07:30 |
Terry Skinner
Messages: 379
Registered: January 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
When Scott Nehoda did his he ran a 4 x 6 across thru the windows, then
a come-a-long on each side down to a bracket screwed to the floor.
Then he could reach in thru the window and operate the aproperate
come-a-long to lift each corner. When I saw it the coach was about 3
feet off the ground and parts every where. Figured that if I was to
change a frame that is the way I would do it...........Terry
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, that is how to do it, lift one side at a time. It's too complicated with suspending the body to do it any other way.
>
> Jim Bounds
> ----------------------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Anthony Stasunas <AStasunas@aol.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 12:19:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair
>
>
>
> Jim,
> When you did the frame replacement did you support the body and roll the chassis out or did you do it in place?
> If I do any replacement I only think I need to do the side rails and wonder if I can simply raise the body enough to remove the side rails in place.
> --
> Regards,
>
> Tony
>
> 1975 Eleganza
> Winter Springs, Fl
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
--
Terry Skinner
253-686-2624
Roy. Washington
'76 GMC
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] Frame Repair [message #66248 is a reply to message #66220] |
Tue, 01 December 2009 08:34 |
|
|
| AStasunas wrote on Mon, 30 November 2009 23:19 |
Jim,
When you did the frame replacement did you support the body and roll the chassis out or did you do it in place?
If I do any replacement I only think I need to do the side rails and wonder if I can simply raise the body enough to remove the side rails in place.
|
When we picked up the rails and bogie frame at Cinnibar, they showed us where to support the body. We jacked up the coach, put jack stands under the body pads, and then removed everything that was attached to the frame members, bogies, fuel tanks, waste tank, etc. Then we cut the nuts off all of the bolts holding the rails and bogie frame to the body. Bolted the new parts up in place, put all the tanks and stuff back on, and done.
Little Yimmy - W9VUA
75 PB - F260206
Twin Cities, MN
|
|
|
|
| Re: Frame Repair [message #66328 is a reply to message #66032] |
Wed, 02 December 2009 00:52 |
Adrien G.
Messages: 474
Registered: May 2008
Location: Burns Flat, OK 73624
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Tony,
My center frame was rusted through in several places. Removed it and made all but 3 of the cross members new.
I drove it up on ramps, raised the front, secured it with stand to be safe to work underneath, disconnected fuel lines, cut the rusted brake line, remove the torsion rods, anything that connects to the front section.
The air lines and the holding tank minus dump tube was left attached to the body.
Jacked the back of the coach, a little each side, high enough to clear the boggies, under the body, when dragging the frame out (yours are off already) plus 6 inches. Removed 6 body mounts and loosen the front.
Used 4x4 and jack stands, on the outside of the rails to support the body. The jack stands where lag screwed to the 4x4.
When I felt comfortable that it would be safe, unbolted the front, lowered the frame in the rear while forcing it of the front section. Support the rear engine cross member.
For the rails I used a 6x6x .187 wall square tube sawed in half. Used 3 thin cut off wheel, for steel cutting. The best old rail was laid back to back to transfer the bolt holes to one new rail, then the new rails back to back. a drill press is nice, but you can rent a mag drill also.
The cross members are formed from 3/16" flat stock.
I clamped caster wheels to the frame to roll it under the coach.
The more that you cam figure how to do it yourself, the easier on the pocket book.
Hope this can help you or someone else.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
|
|
|
|
| Re: Frame Repair [message #66391 is a reply to message #66032] |
Wed, 02 December 2009 17:33 |
JohnL455
Messages: 4447
Registered: October 2006
Location: Woodstock, IL
Karma: 12
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Truck frame rails always have the sticker on them 'Do not drill or weld'. I would take that advice and not try to repair but instead replace. Life is too short to endanger yourself and those nearby.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Sat Oct 19 14:29:16 CDT 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.00954 seconds
|
GMCforum
Search
Help
Register
Login
Home
