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Wed, 28 October 2009 19:13  |
Smitty52
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Due to a number of personal reasons we have narrowed our MH search to a model with twin rear beds. Looking at the floorplans, is it possible to reconfigure a rear queen to two twins? It appears that the size of the area is the same and it would be a matter of rebuilding the floor layout. Am I wrong? Are there other hidden things under the floor that might interfere?
We have been looking for a couple of years and gathering info and with retirement a couple of years away it is now time to buy and adapt it to our needs. There are some nice units out there but they are rear queen setups and that will not work for us. I really like the Royales but most seem to be a rear bath. There is a 77 Palm Beach in my price range that has possibilities but the rear bed configuration is the only issue.
Has anyone done such a change that can elaborate on the pitfalls?
Thanks
Wayne and Lisa
Bolton Landing, NY
Wayne and Lisa,
Bolton Landing, NY,
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| Re: Rear beds [message #62188 is a reply to message #62186] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 19:38  |
LNelson
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I have never owned a rear twin, but I believe the area where these twins go is somewhat "longer" (from the rear window to the bath) than you would have in the PB. Unless you are only about 5' tall, you might have very short beds. Others will know more.
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62196 is a reply to message #62186] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 19:59 |
powerjon
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Wayne,
It is quite an undertaking to change the floor plan from a number 26-3
to a rear twin bed. See this link:
http://www.gmcmi.com/forms/26ftplans.pdf
It would require moving the bath module forward about 2 feet on the
one side and the closet and kitchen forward on the other side. Would
involve relocating the black plumbing and the water heater and potable
water lines, gas lines all electrical both AC & DC along with cutting
down and modifying the cabinets to fit the relocation. I have seen it
done once by one of our GMCGL members and it you done know what you
are doing you can destroy a coach, but it depends on how talented you
are. You will spend more money making the change than finding a coach
that fits your needs. JMHO!
J.R. Wright
On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Wayne E LaMothe wrote:
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> Due to a number of personal reasons we have narrowed our MH search
> to a model with twin rear beds. Looking at the floorplans, is it
> possible to reconfigure a rear queen to two twins? It appears that
> the size of the area is the same and it would be a matter of
> rebuilding the floor layout. Am I wrong? Are there other hidden
> things under the floor that might interfere?
>
> We have been looking for a couple of years and gathering info and
> with retirement a couple of years away it is now time to buy and
> adapt it to our needs. There are some nice units out there but they
> are rear queen setups and that will not work for us. I really like
> the Royales but most seem to be a rear bath. There is a 77 Palm
> Beach in my price range that has possibilities but the rear bed
> configuration is the only issue.
>
> Has anyone done such a change that can elaborate on the pitfalls?
>
> Thanks
>
> Wayne and Lisa
> Bolton Landing, NY
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| Re: Rear beds [message #62197 is a reply to message #62186] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 20:05 |
Smitty52
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Thanks, I was kind of thinking it would be too short but there was always hope.
Wayne and Lisa,
Bolton Landing, NY,
Patriot Guard Rider,
Standing for those who stood for us.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62201 is a reply to message #62186] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 20:15 |
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USAussie
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Wayne,
I can't make it through the night without making a couple of trips to the
loo so I wanted a rear twin.
IIRC the dimensions of the rear double beds is 52-54 inches front to rear
and the full width of the coach.
Can you increase that dimension? Not without major internal renovation. You
can extend the rear of the coach which creates another set problems.
The rear twin models that I am aware of have the following dimensions;
Avion: 75 x 32
Edgemont: 77 x 34
Royale: 74 x 32
I am 73 1/2" tall and I sleep OK on in my Avions, however, when John Sharpe
was kind enough to loan me his Royal to sleep in while I was working on my
Avion in Houston I found I didn't sleep as well. One inch made a difference.
The funny thing about the Edgemont is that none of the documentation shows
that the beds were longer! I PERSONALLY verified the length of an Edgemont
twin at Michael Bozardt's shop in Houston. That Edgemont is for sale I
believe. Here's a link to his website:
http://www.gemrecs.com/
Good luck with your search.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Wayne E LaMothe
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:14 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Rear beds
Due to a number of personal reasons we have narrowed our MH search to a
model with twin rear beds. Looking at the floorplans, is it possible to
reconfigure a rear queen to two twins? It appears that the size of the area
is the same and it would be a matter of rebuilding the floor layout. Am I
wrong? Are there other hidden things under the floor that might interfere?
We have been looking for a couple of years and gathering info and with
retirement a couple of years away it is now time to buy and adapt it to our
needs. There are some nice units out there but they are rear queen setups
and that will not work for us. I really like the Royales but most seem to
be a rear bath. There is a 77 Palm Beach in my price range that has
possibilities but the rear bed configuration is the only issue.
Has anyone done such a change that can elaborate on the pitfalls?
Thanks
Wayne and Lisa
Bolton Landing, NY
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62203 is a reply to message #62197] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 20:21 |
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There were models by other upfitters that had the rear twin arrangement.
Modifying a standard interior by GMC wouldn't work. It would have to have an
interior such as Coachmen did in the side-bath Royale or one of the other
companies. You just missed getting a good deal on a rear twin unit sold
recently in New York state.
David of the registry or someone else could give you a rundown on the
particular models that were built with rear twin. Basically, one end of the
bed is over the rear wheels. Someone is over the Onan while someone else
sleeps over the LP tank.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62207 is a reply to message #62203] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 20:45 |
Smitty52
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That was going to be the next question. Rob identified 3 models that had a rear twin arrangement. I was really only aware of the Royale. So what others?
Wayne
Wayne and Lisa,
Bolton Landing, NY,
Patriot Guard Rider,
Standing for those who stood for us.
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| Re: Rear beds [message #62237 is a reply to message #62186] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 22:26 |
C Boyd
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| Wayne E LaMothe wrote on Wed, 28 October 2009 20:13 |
Due to a number of personal reasons we have narrowed our MH search to a model with twin rear beds. Looking at the floorplans, is it possible to reconfigure a rear queen to two twins? It appears that the size of the area is the same and it would be a matter of rebuilding the floor layout. Am I wrong? Are there other hidden things under the floor that might interfere?
We have been looking for a couple of years and gathering info and with retirement a couple of years away it is now time to buy and adapt it to our needs. There are some nice units out there but they are rear queen setups and that will not work for us. I really like the Royales but most seem to be a rear bath. There is a 77 Palm Beach in my price range that has possibilities but the rear bed configuration is the only issue.
Has anyone done such a change that can elaborate on the pitfalls?
Thanks
Wayne and Lisa
Bolton Landing, NY
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Sir: my imagination thinks you might could modify the bunk bed couch for full size twin bunk beds in the rear if this would be an option??
My advise tho would be to keep looking till you find one that fills your needs and use and enjoy it.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62254 is a reply to message #62186] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 01:24 |
Don Baker
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Wayne, I agree with you about the twin rear beds. When we decided to downsize from a deisel pusher we chose the GMC IF WE COULD FIND THE TWIN BED MODEL. We looked at several other designs and tried to imagine a way to change them into twin beds, but I could not come up with a solution. I do remember seeing pictures of one where they cut a notch into the closet for thier feet on one side and I forget how the other side was accomplished.
But we just kept looking and found ours in Seattle, WA. I flew to Seattle, approved, bought, and drove our '77 Kingsley twin bed dry bath the 2450 miles back to Texas. Our beds are just bearly six ft long, but I'm still glad that is the one we bought.
Our first camper was a tear drop 4X8 trailer my dad built in 1947 using plans from "Mechanix Illustrated" pulled with a bumper clamp hitch on a 1955 Chev HT. We had a 19' trailer, 20' trailer, 24' trailer, 1976 Executive motorhome, 34' trailer/slide out, 1992 Pace Arrow pusher, and then the GMC. Out of all those before, only the Executive had the twin beds and that is why we wanted that design.
thanks, Don Baker, Burleson, Texas '77 Kingsley twin bed dry bath
--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@juno.com> wrote:
> From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@juno.com>
> Subject: [GMCnet] Rear beds
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 7:13 PM
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> Due to a number of personal reasons we have narrowed our MH
> search to a model with twin rear beds. Looking at the
> floorplans, is it possible to reconfigure a rear queen to
> two twins? It appears that the size of the area is the
> same and it would be a matter of rebuilding the floor
> layout. Am I wrong? Are there other hidden
> things under the floor that might interfere?
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| Re: Rear beds [message #62258 is a reply to message #62186] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 06:35 |
Oldngray
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We had the same thoughts when looking for our Coach. We were fortunate to find a Rear Twin/Dry Bath.
There is another just like ours available at Alex Sirums GMC.
It is a one owner in (from what I understand) excellent condition.
If I had not purchased one already, I would have bought it.
Look here http://www.gmcmh.com/
Richard MacDonald
Punta Gorda, Florida
Sold our TZE April 2015
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62262 is a reply to message #62258] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 06:57 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
Actually there's two rear bed GMC's; the Royal and the Edgemont!
Both of them look nice, the Royal appears to be in really good shape!
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Richard MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 10:35 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds
We had the same thoughts when looking for our Coach. We were fortunate to
find a Rear Twin/Dry Bath.
There is another just like ours available at Alex Sirums GMC.
It is a one owner in (from what I understand) excellent condition.
If I had not purchased one already, I would have bought it.
Look here http://www.gmcmh.com/
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Richard MacDonald
Punta Gorda, Florida
76 Edgemonte
94 K2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel Silverado
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Rear beds [message #62266 is a reply to message #62186] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 07:25 |
fred v
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we have a rear bath Royale. a PO had added a hinged extension to the berth on the right side that makes it a double bed. i can scoot out the end of the bed into the doorway and not have to climb over my wife to get out. this works for us as we wanted the rear bath/tub layout.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62269 is a reply to message #62262] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 07:49 |
Oldngray
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Actually, the ad that you are speaking of is kind of confused.
I mentioned it to Jeff and he is going to update his site.
The picture of the Coach (outside) is not the same as the pictures showing the interior. The interior is of the Coach that I bought in August. It is a 76 Edgemonte. The other Coach is not a Edgemonte. If you noticed, the outside pictures do not match, the grey/black is the Edgemonte.
Confused? I was too.
Richard MacDonald
Punta Gorda, Florida
Sold our TZE April 2015
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62272 is a reply to message #62269] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 07:53 |
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USAussie
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Richard,
The Edgemonte is a nice coach too!
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Richard MacDonald
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:50 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds
Actually, the ad that you are speaking of is kind of confused.
I mentioned it to Jeff and he is going to update his site.
The picture of the Coach (outside) is not the same as the pictures showing
the interior. The interior is of the Coach that I bought in August. It is
a 76 Edgemonte. The other Coach is not a Edgemonte. If you noticed, the
outside pictures do not match, the grey/black is the Edgemonte.
Confused? I was too.
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Richard MacDonald
Punta Gorda, Florida
76 Edgemonte
94 K2500 6.5 Turbo Diesel Silverado
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rear beds [message #62287 is a reply to message #62237] |
Thu, 29 October 2009 09:34 |
powerjon
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I had forgot about the bunk bed option and I just remembered why.
When we were doing the interior renovation of the 77 Eleganza II we
were undecided on the bed arrangement that we would like you use.
When we went to rallies we took pictures of everything we saw and
sometime like. It is always good to see how other have done their
coaches inside.
We went thru 4 different layouts in the back until the current one
which seems to work best for us. The first layout was the original
davos seats laid out flat with a 4" foam mattress on top, just was not
comfortable. Number 2 was a full size double pillow top mattress (yes
you can get one in the back and yes it is a royal pain in the
posterior to get it in and out). It was 16" thick and I had to build
a step stool so that the wife could get in and out of the sleeping
area. Comfy but not really practicable. Number three was a bunk bed
layout that we had seen in another coach. You know who gets the upper
and it is a real pain to get up and down at night without hurting
yourself and the wife said it was like sleep in a coffin because you
do not have a lot of vertical space to work with. That said some
people like their bunk bed layout, just didn't work for us. Number 4
we went back to the full size mattress but found a much thinner single
pillow top that was about 9" thick and put that on a tilting bed frame
to allow storage under neath. I have the front couch redone with
additional support springs and another layer of foam so that if can be
used as a bed. So we have the twin beds but I sleep in the front and
she gets the back.
There are a number of twin bed layouts out there, but they will be few
and hard to find. Overall condition of the coach will affect your
choice also. Just a word of caution on price ranges. Because of the
economy there are coaches that are in fairly good shape going for give
away prices and you may find a gem out there. But typically the lower
cost the coach the more your going to spend to bring it up to usable
condition. Jim B had just made those comments in the past week. Good
luck on your hunt for your coach.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
TZE Zone Restorations
77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
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>> Due to a number of personal reasons we have narrowed our MH search
>> to a model with twin rear beds. Looking at the floorplans, is it
>> possible to reconfigure a rear queen to two twins? It appears that
>> the size of the area is the same and it would be a matter of
>> rebuilding the floor layout. Am I wrong? Are there other hidden
>> things under the floor that might interfere?
>>
>> We have been looking for a couple of years and gathering info and
>> with retirement a couple of years away it is now time to buy and
>> adapt it to our needs. There are some nice units out there but
>> they are rear queen setups and that will not work for us. I really
>> like the Royales but most seem to be a rear bath. There is a 77
>> Palm Beach in my price range that has possibilities but the rear
>> bed configuration is the only issue.
>>
>> Has anyone done such a change that can elaborate on the pitfalls?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Wayne and Lisa
>> Bolton Landing, NY
>
> Sir: my imagination thinks you might could modify the bunk bed
> couch for full size twin bunk beds in the rear if this would be an
> option??
>
> My advise tho would be to keep looking till you find one that fills
> your needs and use and enjoy it.
> --
> C. Boyd
> 76 Crestmont by Mid
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Michigan
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