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Tue, 27 October 2009 09:18  |
Ray Erspamer
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I was thinking about something I did yesterday and I just need to make this post, it was in regards to Emery Stora's post "Bye for now".
All too often many of us want to speak out BEFORE we really think things through........besides, we're MEN and this type of behavior in in our DNA.......not trying to make an excuse for my actions here!.
When I read Emery's post, I immediately thought about things that have happened to me in the past, then condemned Gordon and I jumped on the band wagon to beat the guy up.
I have never met Gordon and he has never done anything wrong to me personally. From other posts I've read he's very knowledgeable and has helped many people. Maybe he has a style that offends people, but I have never experienced that.
So, as I have done many times before, I opened my yap, pre-judged someone that I don't know and I was wrong in doing what I did....... I apologize.
Ray
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #61926 is a reply to message #61915] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 10:47  |
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Brother Ray, ...you're a big man, ...and I love big people.
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Thanks for your refreshing post.
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Howard Nylander
Royale Class of ‘78’, ‘Rocinante’
Afton, Tn.
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--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
Subject: [GMCnet] Did Wrong
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 10:18 AM
I was thinking about something I did yesterday and I just need to make this post, it was in regards to Emery Stora's post "Bye for now".
All too often many of us want to speak out BEFORE we really think things through........besides, we're MEN and this type of behavior in in our DNA.......not trying to make an excuse for my actions here!.
When I read Emery's post, I immediately thought about things that have happened to me in the past, then condemned Gordon and I jumped on the band wagon to beat the guy up.
I have never met Gordon and he has never done anything wrong to me personally. From other posts I've read he's very knowledgeable and has helped many people. Maybe he has a style that offends people, but I have never experienced that.
So, as I have done many times before, I opened my yap, pre-judged someone that I don't know and I was wrong in doing what I did....... I apologize.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #61927 is a reply to message #61915] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 11:09 |
jimk
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We deal with lot of difficult peoples of parts and service.
I have only told but few to find another vendor. He is one.
Jim B, Jeff Sirum,Miguel Mendez,Tom Hampton advised me that they do
not want to deal with him as they know it takes a lot before I cut
them off.
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> I was thinking about something I did yesterday and I just need to make this post, Â it was in regards to Emery Stora's post "Bye for now".
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> All too often many of us want to speak out BEFORE we really think things through........besides, we're MEN and this type of behavior in in our DNA.......not trying to make an excuse for my actions here!.
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> When I read Emery's post, I immediately thought about things that have happened to me in the past, then condemned Gordon and I jumped on the band wagon to beat the guy up.
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> I have never met Gordon and he has never done anything wrong to me personally.  From other posts I've read he's very knowledgeable and has helped many people.  Maybe he has a style that offends  people, but I have never experienced that.
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> So, as I have done many times before, I opened my yap, pre-judged someone that I don't know and I was wrong in doing what I did....... Â I apologize.
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> Ray
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> Â Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #61949 is a reply to message #61915] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 13:31 |
WayneB
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Before I joined this forum (last year) I used to think most GMC Motorhome owners were true individuals who were happy that they had descovered an mode of mobile living quarters that few remember or know about, akind of internet brotherhood who share a common interest in GMC Motorhomes if you like.
Being on this forum I can now see a definate hierarchy exists and you are either a part of it or you are on the outside looking in.
I see Gordon is an individual who for one reason or another has been singled out by said hierarchy for some sort of public humiliation because his views aren't those shared by them.
I just want to say further that I dont agree with some of the things Gordon has written, just the same as I dont agree with some of the things written by some of the more "holier than though" members of this forum who have been taking turns lining up to lay a written beating on the poor sod.
You guys have really took the fun and interest out of being a member of this forum (for me anyways).
I will leave you to carry on bickering amongst yourselves as to finding out who knows the most about everything (not me).
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #61959 is a reply to message #61915] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 14:20 |
Tin Gerbil
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Ray;
Thank you for your post. I have taken the time to review many of my posts, review the net rules and reviewed the advice of the many private email I received. For me, in general, there are a few simple guidelines that will solve the current problem with my posts.
With JimK in particular, there is no solution as he either will not or is not capable of providing me with a statement. Finding that I am not alone, gives little satisfaction. His solution is to be overly generous with the GMC community at large and try to bury his individual mistakes.
This is one way to run a business.
I have been in business 90% of my working life. I had a successful electronics business, fishing business and trucking business. After falling from the top of a truck I found my self in a wheel chair for a few months, no insurance, a wife and two young children, so I went back to electronics in the form of computers and for the last 20 years I ran my own sales and service company. Many times when customers computers crashed, the fault was created by employees, the owner or their children. I even had a priest who used to sneak into the church office, play games all night and cover his tracks by deleting them. The problem was, each time, he also deleted two files critical to the operating system. Many times the customer was either unable or unwilling to understand that the equipment I had supplied was not the problem. Many times I ate the bill and went on to the next appointment. I have never, in all my years, told one customer that I would not support them, because they are the problem. It often took years for the customer to gain enough knowledge to recognize where the problem had originated. As my normal business consisted of providing hardware, software and support between a business owner and his accountant, the accountant would often hear of the problems and how I handled them. For many years, I did not recognize the reason my business grew so quickly. I never, ever, advertised and always wondered how accountants and businesses found me. While in business, I have been given free trips to Hawaii, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mainland China and Japan. In New Zealand we were provided with a vehicle and accommodation for a month. These were from customers who appreciated the help I had provided.
None of this has anything to do with what I know about vehicles in general and a GMC in particular, but is just some background of my non-mechanical side. I'm here, on the Blacklist (unless I got banned from it also), with parts tools and some space if needed.
To now have myself identified as a another "problem peoples" is a first for me. I only wish the other "problem peoples" would identify them self in public, but thank them for their private emails, advice and support, anyway.
I don't know if this post will make it through, but here goes!
Thanks;
Gordon
Gordon
'74 Canyon Lands "Tin Gerbil"
Vancouver Island, B.C.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #61989 is a reply to message #61949] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 17:18 |
Tin Gerbil
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Wayne;
This hierarchy has often been pointed out to me and I have had good, fair, honest, advice as to how to word my posts and to never respond to one by the elite, or to find fault with their posts. Unfortunately for me, up until now, I have chosen to ignore this advice.
As I said, I have been given the solution and will accept it.
Thanks;
Gordon
Gordon
'74 Canyon Lands "Tin Gerbil"
Vancouver Island, B.C.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #61993 is a reply to message #61926] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 17:24 |
Tin Gerbil
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Howard;
It is very refreshing to see one who lives his faith.
Thanks;
Gordon
Gordon
'74 Canyon Lands "Tin Gerbil"
Vancouver Island, B.C.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #62012 is a reply to message #61993] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 19:56 |
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Ray, Howard, Gordon
Ray: Thanks for the refreshing honesty
Howard: I concur with your thoughts of what a "Big Man" really is.
Gordon: Illegitimi non carborundum
Good that our web-master saw fit to allow you to continue, Thanks from many of us. Perhaps he could check some of the above comments. Not exactly civil.
Randy
| Tin Gerbil wrote on Tue, 27 October 2009 15:24 |
Howard;
It is very refreshing to see one who lives his faith.
Thanks;
Gordon
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #62037 is a reply to message #61949] |
Tue, 27 October 2009 22:56 |
Larry C
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I just want to say further that I dont agree with some of the things Gordon has written, just the same as I dont agree with some of the things written by some of the more "holier than though" members of this forum who have been taking turns lining up to lay a written beating on the poor sod.
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I am just one of the groveling grunts here at the forum. I live to keep Gatsbys' CRUISER  alive, as has been demonstrated the last month or so.
There are a lot of individuals here and everyone projects their image in one way that they are accustomed to.
I worked with a meat head that as far as I was concerned, hated every body, hated the crews that worked under him but sucked up to the supervisors so he was cut a lot of slack
Maybe that is a bad example but I don't think that goes on here, but, as in any group of size, there are the leaders and the followers and the ones that speak up.
What is that saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease???? In this case most attention.
Iv'e known Gordon on other boards as well as here, and his comments might seem rough at times but it seems they are an opinion whether fact or field practice.
I have not read all the negative comments because everyone has their day. ( unless you can walk on water, I can only do that in the Winter )
Now don't go sending me hate mail to my Email but some of all this has gone too far, seems to me. A lot of topics do but why is this on the board when it should be taken care OFF of thread??
I made a comment some time back and I was assured that it had little to do with the GMC motorhome. So..........
I will agree with the original statement. I also don't agree with everything that Gordon might have to say as well as other members, then again, I sure am grateful for the information when I have problems and this is the place to get that info.
As far as personal vendettas, no, no, no.
I apologize if I have upset anyone but this has gone in the wrong direction as far as I am concerned.
I have no further comment...........
Ray, I am with you on this one.
Gatsbys' CRUISER
Gatsbys' CRUISER  08-18-04
74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #62051 is a reply to message #62037] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 07:21 |
Jim Bounds
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We really do not want to elude there are levels of whatever on this forum where people are slotted-- thats the beginning of the end. We also do not want to think as some more important than others, that also goes to draw lines through a group.
I do not think the issue is anything like that rather the way content is presented here. For those old timers will remember "Tom W." and how he started out every post on the net like the news report on the old Saturday Night Live "Jane you ignorant s___" When you start off a post ragging on someone in a way that demeans them, how can you expect to get any respect. hey, this is America, you do not have to agree and you have the right to express yourself--- but you do not have to do it in a way that makes them want to just leave! That is the 99,000 dollar issue here. OK, we say some people are abrasive in their character then they should expect to irrate some when they rub up agianst them and should hold on for some rough stuff right back at them. I'm not saying to whitewash comments rather just make them with a common courtsey.
Emery takes great pains to verify things he says and rarely makes frivilous comments. For someone to come along and say he is all wet, boy not only is that not being accomodating to Emery but it is just downright rude-- I feel that is the entire issue here. I do not need to agree with anyone on this list and sometimes do not but I do not try to burry someone who thinks different than I do.
To the comment there are people who are "holier than thou" on this list, I think you may think that but I pose thait it may only be in your mind sir. There are folks on this list who have more experience than others and lend info based on that while there are some who just put out what they think. The latter group need to maybe listen more and put out comments as offerings other than statement of fact.
I have had differences of opinion with Gordan not based on facts rather based on his delivery of them and how it was directed at people, thats the way it was with Tom W. in the past. I usually don;t say much here unless someone really gets offbase because we all are allowed to have our own ideas, just don;t flame someone for theirs!
I think probably we have flogged this thread to it's hole in the ground and it would probably be good if it stayed there but I would also say lets make it an wakeup call that we need to be mindful of others feelings. I think that is only right.
Jim Bounds
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----- Original Message ----
From: Larry <slawrence111@yahoo.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 11:56:53 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong
I just want to say further that I dont agree with some of the things Gordon has written, just the same as I dont agree with some of the things written by some of the more "holier than though" members of this forum who have been taking turns lining up to lay a written beating on the poor sod.
________________________________________________________
I am just one of the groveling grunts here at the forum. I live to keep Gatsbys' CRUISER :d alive, as has been demonstrated the last month or so.
There are a lot of individuals here and everyone projects their image in one way that they are accustomed to.
I worked with a meat head that as far as I was concerned, hated every body, hated the crews that worked under him but sucked up to the supervisors so he was cut a lot of slack
Maybe that is a bad example but I don't think that goes on here, but, as in any group of size, there are the leaders and the followers and the ones that speak up.
What is that saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease???? In this case most attention.
Iv'e known Gordon on other boards as well as here, and his comments might seem rough at times but it seems they are an opinion whether fact or field practice.
I have not read all the negative comments because everyone has their day. ( unless you can walk on water, I can only do that in the Winter )
Now don't go sending me hate mail to my Email but some of all this has gone too far, seems to me. A lot of topics do but why is this on the board when it should be taken care OFF of thread??
I made a comment some time back and I was assured that it had little to do with the GMC motorhome. So..........
I will agree with the original statement. I also don't agree with everything that Gordon might have to say as well as other members, then again, I sure am grateful for the information when I have problems and this is the place to get that info.
As far as personal vendettas, no, no, no.
I apologize if I have upset anyone but this has gone in the wrong direction as far as I am concerned.
I have no further comment...........
Ray, I am with you on this one.
Gatsbys' CRUISER
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #62052 is a reply to message #61927] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 07:37 |
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JimK, in my opinion your response to this post wasn't necessary. For me,
particularly, it isn't appreciated. The decision that each of you vendors
have come to is one to pass amongst yourselves. Public humiliation is
another thing.
Ray, you have spoken well.
Wayne, if you're not already gone, I see your point. This forum seems to be
more and more about being "one up" than about sharing personal experience
where appropriate. It's also filled with a bunch of chatter that is just
that, chatter.
There are those that would say, "if you don't like it, leave". To that I'd
say, "childish attitude; where's your sense of maturity, personal
responsibility and integrity?"
Are we at a point where we no longer care? I hope not.
This forum should be about sharing information and the experience you have
gained. It shouldn't be about finding out who has the most testosterone or
who has the largest orifice on their posterior. (No wonder we have problems
with bullying in schools; the kids are just repeating the behavior of their
elders.)
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Jim Kanomata wrote:
> We deal with lot of difficult peoples of parts and service.
I have only told
> but few to find another vendor. He is one.
Jim B, Jeff Sirum,Miguel Mendez,Tom
> Hampton advised me that they do
not want to deal with him as they know it
> takes a lot before I cut
them off.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong [message #62091 is a reply to message #62051] |
Wed, 28 October 2009 11:34 |
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well stated .. (hope you and yours are well ..)
Jose'
-------Original Message-------
From: Jim Bounds
Date: 10/28/2009 8:21:25 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong
We really do not want to elude there are levels of whatever on this forum
where people are slotted-- thats the beginning of the end. We also do not
want to think as some more important than others, that also goes to draw
lines through a group.
I do not think the issue is anything like that rather the way content is
presented here. For those old timers will remember "Tom W." and how he
started out every post on the net like the news report on the old Saturday
Night Live "Jane you ignorant s___" When you start off a post ragging on
someone in a way that demeans them, how can you expect to get any respect.
hey, this is America, you do not have to agree and you have the right to
express yourself--- but you do not have to do it in a way that makes them
want to just leave! That is the 99,000 dollar issue here. OK, we say some
people are abrasive in their character then they should expect to irrate
some when they rub up agianst them and should hold on for some rough stuff
right back at them. I'm not saying to whitewash comments rather just make
them with a common courtsey.
Emery takes great pains to verify things he says and rarely makes frivilous
comments. For someone to come along and say he is all wet, boy not only is
that not being accomodating to Emery but it is just downright rude-- I feel
that is the entire issue here. I do not need to agree with anyone on this
list and sometimes do not but I do not try to burry someone who thinks
different than I do.
To the comment there are people who are "holier than thou" on this list, I
think you may think that but I pose thait it may only be in your mind sir.
There are folks on this list who have more experience than others and lend
info based on that while there are some who just put out what they think.
The latter group need to maybe listen more and put out comments as offerings
other than statement of fact.
I have had differences of opinion with Gordan not based on facts rather
based on his delivery of them and how it was directed at people, thats the
way it was with Tom W. in the past. I usually don;t say much here unless
someone really gets offbase because we all are allowed to have our own ideas
just don;t flame someone for theirs!
I think probably we have flogged this thread to it's hole in the ground and
it would probably be good if it stayed there but I would also say lets make
it an wakeup call that we need to be mindful of others feelings. I think
that is only right.
Jim Bounds
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----- Original Message ----
From: Larry <slawrence111@yahoo.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 11:56:53 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Did Wrong
I just want to say further that I dont agree with some of the things Gordon
has written, just the same as I dont agree with some of the things written
by some of the more "holier than though" members of this forum who have been
taking turns lining up to lay a written beating on the poor sod.
________________________________________________________
I am just one of the groveling grunts here at the forum. I live to keep
Gatsbys' CRUISER :d alive, as has been demonstrated the last month or so.
There are a lot of individuals here and everyone projects their image in one
way that they are accustomed to.
I worked with a meat head that as far as I was concerned, hated every body,
hated the crews that worked under him but sucked up to the supervisors so he
was cut a lot of slack
Maybe that is a bad example but I don't think that goes on here, but, as in
any group of size, there are the leaders and the followers and the ones that
speak up.
What is that saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease???? In this case most
attention.
Iv'e known Gordon on other boards as well as here, and his comments might
seem rough at times but it seems they are an opinion whether fact or field
practice.
I have not read all the negative comments because everyone has their day. (
unless you can walk on water, I can only do that in the Winter )
Now don't go sending me hate mail to my Email but some of all this has gone
too far, seems to me. A lot of topics do but why is this on the board when
it should be taken care OFF of thread??
I made a comment some time back and I was assured that it had little to do
with the GMC motorhome. So..........
I will agree with the original statement. I also don't agree with
everything that Gordon might have to say as well as other members, then
again, I sure am grateful for the information when I have problems and this
is the place to get that info.
As far as personal vendettas, no, no, no.
I apologize if I have upset anyone but this has gone in the wrong direction
as far as I am concerned.
I have no further comment...........
Ray, I am with you on this one.
Gatsbys' CRUISER
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LarC - N/E Illinois
74 GLACIER X, "Gatsbys' CRUISER"
260/455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
Remflex Manifold gaskets
_______________________________________________
Purchased 08-18-04
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