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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60804 is a reply to message #60801] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 11:16   |
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ljdavick
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Bruce Hanover is credited with taking the picture of the beautiful
Palm Beach from that link. I really like the paint scheme -
predominantly white with green on the upper half and graduated stripes.
My '76 is all green. Was this the factory paint scheme for '77 and
'78, or was this done by the owner?
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
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On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:02 AM, David L Greenberg
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> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:26:47 -0500 dave silva <gmc@davesilva.com>
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> Snip.............
>> Does this group or any other group do anything to activly promote
>> the coach to a new audience?
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>> What could be done?
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> How about this, Dave?
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> http://www.gmcers.org/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60805 is a reply to message #60801] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 11:21 |
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Sure, that gives a curious person a starting point but how well is it working ? And I ask that sincerely as you have a unique window on the state of the inventory.
But meanwhile, prices are falling. Will they come back when the economy recovers?
The RV demographic is getting younger but as near as I can tell, this group is not.
Can we do anything proactive to reach the masses? And maybe a few more $4000 coaches will become $30,000 coaches.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60822 is a reply to message #60805] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 12:57 |
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Several of the webmaster for the clubs with online presence have linked this
site. Some are more obvious than others.
Byron
dave silva wrote:
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> David L Greenberg wrote on Tue, 20 October 2009 11:02
>> How about this, Dave?
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>> http://www.gmcers.org/
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> Sure, that gives a curious person a starting point but how well is it working
> ? And I ask that sincerely as you have a unique window on the state of the
> inventory.
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> But meanwhile, prices are falling. Will they come back when the economy
> recovers?
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> The RV demographic is getting younger but as near as I can tell, this group is
> not.
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> Can we do anything proactive to reach the masses? And maybe a few more $4000
> coaches will become $30,000 coaches.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60840 is a reply to message #60801] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 16:08 |
David L Greenberg
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:21:42 -0500 Armand Minnie
<armand@artistichangups.com> writes:
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> We have been receiving the FMCA magazine for the 2 years we have
> belonged to it (as a requirement of the GMC clubs) and each time I
> look for GMC rallies and never see them and have never understood
> why - still don't. It seems as though we don't really want to be a
> part of FMCA - is that correct?
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No. The reason is the clubs (not all-Tidewater Crabs are the exception)
have to accomodate any FMCA member who shows up for the rally whether in
a GMC or an SOB. In Florida we have problems getting enough space for
our members (GMCs are always welcome) so we don't advertise our rallys.
TZE only club members don't want to be parked between two 40-45' SOBs.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60852 is a reply to message #60840] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 17:46 |
Jim Galbavy
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Dave,
Usually I agree with you, but here I take exception. We in the GMCTWCs wish to promote the TZE GMC, but the "lifestyle" is more than just the coach. ....it is just as much the fellowship and friendships that we have made. Sure SOBs are welcome, those are where we will get our converts. To my knowledge, we are the only GMC club to still post our rallies with FMCA. We schedule our rallies 8 - 12 months in advance and reserve the block of rv sites of our choice that way with a deposit. you don't just show up and expect to be taken care of. All reservations and members' deposits are made thru the club not the campground. That way the club host or club membership decide who gets what sites (usually for reasons of handicap requirements). If we need additional sites most campgrounds are happy to accommedate us. ....but again, the club controls our campsites. The only time, to my knowledge, that a campground ever put someone on one of our sites was this last weekend where the campground owner placed a trailer on one of our sites without the manager's knowledge. In our after action report to the owner, he was told that if he ever wanted our business in the future this would not happen again. .....and he agreed that it was his mistake. Like I said before, we had alot of people looking over the GMCs and even some asked to look inside (when was the last time that you can remember someone going up and wanting a tour of an SOB). Do being near SOBs bother me? Not in the least, the owners usually gravitate to our coach anyway. Besides you can usually shut them off by comparing gas mileage.
jim galbavy
'73 X-CL (ANNIE)
Chesterfield, Va
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? [message #60856 is a reply to message #60852] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 18:54 |
Fin Beven
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One parting thought.
Last month we traveled a bit over 2500 miles in our trip from Pasadena to
Pueblo, and covered 6 states: Calif, Nev, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and
Arizona.
In all of that distance (other than in Pueblo) we saw a grand total of one
other GMC.
Before we bought our GMC, we looked at everything between VW Westfalias and
30' SOBs with slide-outs. We were ready to buy.
It was only a momentary situation of "blind-dumb-luck" that we came across
an ad for a GMC. That moment changed everything, but it could have as
easily not happened, and we'd now be in some POS-SOB.
That is why I am convinced that we, for the good of the future of all of our
clubs, need to take our option to the marketplace, the show-place, those
events where the most motor-home people show up. Let them see what we are,
a viable option, a very viable group. We have a lot to offer, but most
motor-home people just do not know about us.
You can be sure that they know about the AirStream trailers.
The Airstream group makes a big effort to show up at big RV / motor-home
events (At least 30 at the recent Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta, all parked
together, right in the midst of hundreds of SOBs. They were very obvious,
very visable.
Power in numbers. Effect in numbers. Impact in numbers.
Of course it is not easy. An FMCA event may not be as much fun as a local
rally of 30 or 40 GMCs where everybody knows everybody. Where everybody
feels like "family". The point is to recognize the purpose: advertising.
No business likes to spend money (effort) on advertising, but that's what it
takes to spread the word.
All it takes is determination ... to pick one FMCA event in your region each
year, then just pay and show up.
To show them what we are ..... you have to be where they are.
Fin Beven
Pasadena, CA
1976 ex-Edgemonte.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60886 is a reply to message #60801] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 22:57 |
Gary Cottingame
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This may sound a little different from the way this conversation is going but I just want to throw two cents worth in.
Although my 73 CL GMC is being restored little at a time right now, it's still the best thing out there for the money.
I could sit and watch my screensaver for hours on end in admiration, since it's full of you guys pictures of your GMC's. So I got the idea one day, and was wondering why when the wife and I were doing our Christmas shopping, I saw calsnders (at the kiosks in the Malls) of every classic car that ever came down the pike. I thought how nice it would be if there was a selection of calenders you could purchase with nothing but GMC's in it. So I searched for a calender printer (I'm sure they're hundreds out there.)and found one. Here's what he had to say.
Here's what I found:
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Gary,
Thank you for this opportunity to supply you with an estimate for your upcoming project. Your interest in our company is appreciated and we look forward to working together.
Estimate 22421:
(shipping is free of charge)
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Calendars
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Cover Option: Self Cover
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Text Paper: 80lb Gloss Text
Finishing: Spiral Bound
Process Quantity Cost
4 Over 4 1000 $3,288.00
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This just happened to be a company up in Carle NY, www.mmprint.com.
At the time it was just a passing thought that I inquired about. I don't have the funds or the time right now to do such a project. But If someone wanted to attempt a venture like that, I would be glad to join a coop and contribute to it.
GMCES has an attractive Brochure that would look good on the inside cover.
Just some food for thought.
Gary
73 26 CL
TZE21
Denison, Tx
--- On Tue, 10/20/09, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 7:02 PM
Another reason I wanted a '78...
Ljdavick at comcast.net
On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:35 AM, David L Greenberg
<davegreenberg1@juno.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:16:21 -0700 Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
> writes:
>> Bruce Hanover is credited with taking the picture of the beautiful
>> Palm Beach from that link. I really like the paint scheme -
>> predominantly white with green on the upper half and graduated
>> stripes.
>>
>> My '76 is all green. Was this the factory paint scheme for '77 and
>>
>> '78, or was this done by the owner?
>>
>> Larry Davick
>> The Mystery Machine
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>> Ljdavick at comcast.net
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> Only 78 GM finished coaches had the two-tone paint scheme.
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> David Lee Greenberg
> Port St Lucie, FL
> Dedicated to the Preservation of the Classic GMC Motorhome
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60907 is a reply to message #60801] |
Wed, 21 October 2009 05:47 |
David L Greenberg
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This could be a good fund raiser for a club. Or a 'give away' with some
advertising added, by our most favorite suppliers.
Dave G
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Gary Cottingame
<gcottingame@yahoo.com> writes:
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> This may sound a little different from the way this conversation is
> going but I just want to throw two cents worth in.
>
> Although my 73 CL GMC is being restored little at a time right now,
> it's still the best thing out there for the money.
>
> I could sit and watch my screensaver for hours on end in admiration,
> since it's full of you guys pictures of your GMC's. So I got the
> idea one day, and was wondering why when the wife and I were doing
> our Christmas shopping, I saw calsnders (at the kiosks in the
> Malls) of every classic car that ever came down the pike. I thought
> how nice it would be if there was a selection of calenders you could
> purchase with nothing but GMC's in it. So I searched for a calender
> printer (I'm sure they're hundreds out there.)and found one. Here's
> what he had to say.
> Here's what I found:
>
*************************************************************************
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> Gary,
>
> Thank you for this opportunity to supply you with an estimate for
> your upcoming project. Your interest in our company is appreciated
> and we look forward to working together.
>
> Estimate 22421:
> (shipping is free of charge)
>
>
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> Calendars
>
> Size: 11 x 8.5
> Cover Option: Self Cover
> Cover Paper: 80lb Gloss Cover
> Text Paper: 80lb Gloss Text
> Finishing: Spiral Bound
> Process Quantity Cost
> 4 Over 4 1000 $3,288.00
>
*************************************************************************
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> This just happened to be a company up in Carle NY, www.mmprint.com.
>
> At the time it was just a passing thought that I inquired about. I
> don't have the funds or the time right now to do such a project. But
> If someone wanted to attempt a venture like that, I would be glad to
> join a coop and contribute to it.
>
> GMCES has an attractive Brochure that would look good on the inside
> cover.
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> Just some food for thought.
>
> Gary
> 73 26 CL
> TZE21
> Denison, Tx
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> --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
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> From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG
> To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 7:02 PM
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> Another reason I wanted a '78...
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> Ljdavick at comcast.net
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> On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:35 AM, David L Greenberg
> <davegreenberg1@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:16:21 -0700 Larry Davick
> <ljdavick@comcast.net>
> > writes:
> >> Bruce Hanover is credited with taking the picture of the
> beautiful
> >> Palm Beach from that link. I really like the paint scheme -
> >> predominantly white with green on the upper half and graduated
> >> stripes.
> >>
> >> My '76 is all green. Was this the factory paint scheme for '77
> and
> >>
> >> '78, or was this done by the owner?
> >>
> >> Larry Davick
> >> The Mystery Machine
> >>
> >> Ljdavick at comcast.net
> >>
> >
> > Only 78 GM finished coaches had the two-tone paint scheme.
> >
> >
> > David Lee Greenberg
> > Port St Lucie, FL
> > Dedicated to the Preservation of the Classic GMC Motorhome
> > http://GMCmhRegistry.com
> > 48 Packard Super Eight http://www.picturetrail.com/gmcregistry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60915 is a reply to message #60907] |
Wed, 21 October 2009 07:20 |
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I would be interested in a GMC calender just to carry in the GMC with the brochures that I always carry. -- Of course I COULD just print out some pictures from the net.
While I do like the idea of "showing" our coaches at RV shows and rallies (Introducing RV people to the "Hot Rod" of RV's) I think the more informal car "shows" or cruises would also be a good location to promote our coaches. Introduce the Hot Rod crowd to RV's.
I would go to these as long as they have a "Beater Getting Neater" category.
| David L Greenberg wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 03:47 |
This could be a good fund raiser for a club. Or a 'give away' with some advertising added, by our most favorite suppliers.
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Gary Cottingame
<gcottingame@yahoo.com> writes:
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> how nice it would be if there was a selection of calenders you could
> purchase with nothing but GMC's in it. ...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60918 is a reply to message #60886] |
Wed, 21 October 2009 07:51 |
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The problem isn't assembling the photos. The problem is finding 1,000 people
that wanted to pay $3.28 plus someone's time to ship the calendars, etc.
I'd join the effort, too. I'm just a bit skeptical about being able to
unload the time-sensitive item on a bunch of guys that would rather save a
nickel, if at all possible, on every $50 purchase.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
Gary Cottingame wrote:
> So I searched for a calender printer (I'm sure they're hundreds out there.)and
> found one. Here's what he had to say.
> Here's what I found:
> *****************************************************************************
> Gary,
>
> Thank you for this opportunity to supply you with an estimate for your
> upcoming project. Your interest in our company is appreciated and we look
> forward to working together.
>
> Estimate 22421:
> (shipping is free of charge)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> Calendars
>
> Size: 11 x 8.5
> Cover Option: Self Cover
> Cover Paper: 80lb Gloss Cover
> Text Paper: 80lb Gloss Text
> Finishing: Spiral Bound
> Process Quantity Cost
> 4 Over 4 1000 $3,288.00
> *************************************************************************
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60919 is a reply to message #60918] |
Wed, 21 October 2009 08:04 |
mlincoln
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Why is a commercial outfit needed to print calendars? You can easily
make calendars on iPhoto (on the Mac). Then you can either email the
file to everyone to print on their own printers (el cheapo approach),
or they can order a calendar for $19.99 from Apple's provider, all
glossy, stiff stock, and spiral bound.
Mike Lincoln
ps--You can export the calendar as a printable PDF for folks who only
have Windoze.
On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Byron Songer wrote:
> The problem isn't assembling the photos. The problem is finding
> 1,000 people
> that wanted to pay $3.28 plus someone's time to ship the calendars,
> etc.
>
> I'd join the effort, too. I'm just a bit skeptical about being able to
> unload the time-sensitive item on a bunch of guys that would rather
> save a
> nickel, if at all possible, on every $50 purchase.
>
> Byron Songer
> 1978 Royale by Coachmen
> Louisville, KY
> Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
> Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
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> Gary Cottingame wrote:
>
>> So I searched for a calender printer (I'm sure they're hundreds out
>> there.)and
>> found one. Here's what he had to say.
>> Here's what I found:
>> *****************************************************************************
>> Gary,
>>
>> Thank you for this opportunity to supply you with an estimate for
>> your
>> upcoming project. Your interest in our company is appreciated and
>> we look
>> forward to working together.
>>
>> Estimate 22421:
>> (shipping is free of charge)
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>>
>> Calendars
>>
>> Size: 11 x 8.5
>> Cover Option: Self Cover
>> Cover Paper: 80lb Gloss Cover
>> Text Paper: 80lb Gloss Text
>> Finishing: Spiral Bound
>> Process Quantity Cost
>> 4 Over 4 1000 $3,288.00
>> *************************************************************************
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60924 is a reply to message #60918] |
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| Byron Songer wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 05:51 |
... I'm just a bit skeptical about being able to unload the time-sensitive item on a bunch of guys that would rather save a nickel, if at all possible, on every $50 purchase. ...
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Make them for 2011. That way we'll have a full year to get them out. (and look at them.) It is a little late in the year for just starting on one for 2010.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60926 is a reply to message #60924] |
Wed, 21 October 2009 10:28 |
tphipps
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Registered: August 2004
Location: Spanish Fort, AL
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You can buy a program "Calendar Creator", and produce all the calendar's you want. Input your photos, your rally dates, and print them on your printer. Color laser looks very nice, Ink Jet is very slow. Or, take your design output to Office Depot, Staples, of Fedex Kinko's, and have them do the finished project.
I like the idea of showing up at "Old Car Rallies", especially some of the beautifully restored ones. A couple of GMC's at a rally should produce some interest.
Tom Phipps,
75 GMC Ex-Avion
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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| Re: [GMCnet] Promoting the GMC*- What can we do? - LONG [message #60930 is a reply to message #60924] |
Wed, 21 October 2009 10:46 |
Gary Cottingame
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Registered: January 2005
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Richard,
If I understand it correctly, 4 over 4 is how your printer refers to a 4 color picture.
Byron,
I agree somewhat with you here. To try to unload a time sensitive quantity on fellow GMCers would be counter productive.
How many people do we have on the GMCnet.
Mike,
Agree, it's too late in the season to begin such an endeavor. On the other hand, it's the right time to start researching the idea for 2011 calenders..
During the holiday season we will all be out there with our families shopping. Each one of us will see many kiosks and wire racks full of calenders, from kittens to kangaroos, from classic cars to freight trains.
I feel sure that out of all of us on the net, somehow, somewhere, someone could find out where/who these distributors are, and back track and find out how to get something like this into their distribution channels. Come on now, if some hunk looking firemen can get a calender into the mainstream, why couldn't we put the nicest looking classic motorhome into that same stream of merchandise? A GMC Classic Motorhome Calender.....
The price I found was just the first. I'm sure there is probably hundreds of them out there, that might do them for a lot less.
I view this GMCnet as a huge "think tank", and I have found that there are some great minds involved.
If something like this is viable, I will be glad to contribute.
Gary
73 26 CL
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Denison, Tx
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