| Maiden Voyage [message #60055] |
Wed, 14 October 2009 07:54  |
Brian Leith
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We are heading out on Friday in our 75 ele II for the first time ever after 3 years of restoration. Any final things to check I have done everything I can think of check trans fluid, extra air lines, greassed everthing checked all the systems Trial by fire
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| Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage [message #60056 is a reply to message #60055] |
Wed, 14 October 2009 08:08  |
Dennis S
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Make sure you have a current registration, proof of insurance, etc. Stuff we have in our daily drivers but we forget to put in our coach.
Where are you headed?
Have fun.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Leith <beebad3@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 7:54 am
Subject: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage
We are heading out on Friday in our 75 ele II for the first time ever after 3
ears of restoration. Any final things to check I have done everything I can
hink of check trans fluid, extra air lines, greassed everthing checked all the
ystems Trial by fire
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975 Elle II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage-- Key Cylinder [message #60073 is a reply to message #60067] |
Wed, 14 October 2009 11:34 |
Tin Gerbil
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Larry;
I saw the latch assembly was in my top basket of parts, so it was easy
to get at. I pulled the "C" clip, took out the cylinder and have it
ready to go. I will ship it this afternoon.
Gordon
Larry Davick wrote:
> The one thing that I found most valuable was my iPhone. Having the
> Internet in my pocket really made it easy to find stuff along the way.
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> Oh, and two really good buddies who can do anything helped too!
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> Larry Davick
> The Mystery Machine
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| Re: Maiden Voyage [message #60148 is a reply to message #60055] |
Thu, 15 October 2009 00:38 |
Adrien G.
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Congratulation Brian, I'm on my second year of restoration from the frame up. At this time I'm doing inside work. I didn't think that there could be this much work in getting a coach up and running again, but it's worth doing it right this my first time, and not have to redo it again. And also have the peace of mind how well every part was done.
Looking forward to my first trip, if by then I can still afford the fuel.
Have a safe trip.
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage [message #60162 is a reply to message #60148] |
Thu, 15 October 2009 06:30 |
Mr ERFisher
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49ers are having a rally in the Bay Area (port Costa) Nov 13
could be a good test run
gene
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Adrien Genesoto <fixman54@syix.com> wrote:
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> Congratulation Brian, I'm on my second year of restoration from the frame
> up. At this time I'm doing inside work. I didn't think that there could be
> this much work in getting a coach up and running again, but it's worth doing
> it right this my first time, and not have to redo it again. And also have
> the peace of mind how well every part was done.
> Looking forward to my first trip, if by then I can still afford the fuel.
> Have a safe trip.
> --
> Adrien
> 75 Glenbrook
> Yuba City,Ca.
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| Re: Maiden Voyage No problems a handfull on the highway [message #60638 is a reply to message #60055] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 07:23 |
Brian Leith
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We put over 130 miles on the old girl all systems worked perfectly. I have never driven another GMC but this thing is a handfull on the highway. It seems like when you are coasting even at 70 it drive great but when you are on the gas it feels like the front wheels have too much toe in, it darts all over and you are sawing on the wheel. I am not sure what the PO replaced on the front end other than all of the wheel bearings I am going to check the tie rod ends. Any suggestions
1975 Elle II
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| Re: Maiden Voyage [message #60647 is a reply to message #60055] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 07:54 |
Brian Leith
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Michellns with Alcoas 65lbs in all If you run your hand accross the front tires I can feel that they are wearingl like a toe in problem (stepped as they are sharp in one direction) I also stopped and adjusted the steering box tighter and got some of the play out of it
1975 Elle II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage No problems a handfull on the highway [message #60648 is a reply to message #60638] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 07:51 |
powerjon
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Brian,
Tie rod ends are probably going to be one of the last items to check.
How much play in the steering box? Are the idle arms tight. What is
the front and rear ride height? Do you have rag wall or all steel
tires on the front? You need to look at the front steering as an
assembly as each part can affect other performance. I am sure other
will have suggestions also.
J.R. Wright
On Oct 19, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Brian Leith wrote:
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> We put over 130 miles on the old girl all systems worked perfectly.
> I have never driven another GMC but this thing is a handfull on the
> highway. It seems like when you are coasting even at 70 it drive
> great but when you are on the gas it feels like the front wheels
> have too much toe in, it darts all over and you are sawing on the
> wheel. I am not sure what the PO replaced on the front end other
> than all of the wheel bearings I am going to check the tie rod
> ends. Any suggestions
> --
> 1975 Elle II
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78 30' Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan
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| Re: Maiden Voyage [message #60652 is a reply to message #60647] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 08:17 |
Brian Leith
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I will check the play in the idler arm, I am assuming it is aftermarket, as it doesn't have a greese fitting on it
1975 Elle II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage No problems a handfull on the highway [message #60653 is a reply to message #60638] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 08:28 |
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Brian,
Reference Parts Book Section 16 Steering Page 16-6 Figure 16.020 Shaft -
Steering Lower.
Lift the Drivers side hood and have your wife turn the steering wheel while
you check the play in the CV Joint / Shaft / U-joint that connect the
Steering Column to the steering box.
Adjust the parking brake so that it applies the rear brakes really well.
Chock both the front wheels so the GMC can't move forward or backward. Get
your Wife and have her sit in passenger seat and watch what you do next.
Start the engine and put your right foot on the brakes then move the gear
lever from Park to Reverse; count to 3 and then move it to Drive; count to 3
then move it back to Reverse, count to 3 and then move it back to Drive
count to 3 and then move it to Reverse; count to 3 and move it to Park. This
is training for your Wife and will verify that the GMC won't move.
Get your wife to take your place in the drivers seat and ask her to do what
you just did moving the gear lever back and forth from Reverse to Drive.
Instruct her to put her right foot on the brakes and under NO circumstances
touch the gas pedal.
Reference Maintenance Manual X-7525 Section 9 Steering Page 9-1 Figure 1
Steering Linkage.
Crawl under the GMC far enough so you can see the Intermediate Rod, Relay
Lever, Idler Arm and Tie Rods. As your wife moves the gear lever back and
forth from Drive to Reverse watch all those parts. The Intermediate Rod will
move up and down slightly but if it REALLY moves a lot see what is allowing
it to move. It could be the pivot points of the Relay Lever or Idler Arm or
where they connect to the Intermediate rod. You should also watch the Tie
Rods to see what they're doing.
I learned this from Ken Frey over in Quakertown, he's been working on GMC's
forever! ;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
'75 Avion - USA - The Parts Coach TZE 365V100324
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leith
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:24 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage No problems a handfull on the highway
We put over 130 miles on the old girl all systems worked perfectly. I have
never driven another GMC but this thing is a handfull on the highway. It
seems like when you are coasting even at 70 it drive great but when you are
on the gas it feels like the front wheels have too much toe in, it darts all
over and you are sawing on the wheel. I am not sure what the PO replaced on
the front end other than all of the wheel bearings I am going to check the
tie rod ends. Any suggestions
--
1975 Elle II
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Maiden Voyage [message #60677 is a reply to message #60055] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 12:42 |
Ken Burton
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1. CHECK the REAR and the front ride heights in that order. Adjust if necessary - rears first.
2. Check the tire pressure and inflate by the weight on each axle. If you do not know the weight then inflate them all to 65 as a starting point.
3. Unlock the steering wheel and open driver's side front hood. Find the vertical steering shaft. Grab it at the top and try to rotate it by hand while observing the blue colored slip joint. You are looking for zero rotational play in that joint.
If all of the above are OK proceed to looking a idler arm especially where it mounts to the frame. Then relay lever and steering box are next.
Do NOT adjust the steering box on the coach. There is a procedure in the manual and also on the GMC Eastern States web site.
Finally get it aligned for Zero camber, Zero toe, and Maximum obtainable equal caster side to side. Usually this is 2 to 4 degrees. You will not get 4 degrees without offset bushings.
PLEASE CHECK and adjust the rear ride heights first. It really makes a big difference in the steering. If you have those shutoff valves on the rear, fix your air problems and leave valves open all the time. This will keep the rear in adjustment as the load in the coach varies.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Maiden Voyage [message #60686 is a reply to message #60677] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 13:26 |
Gary Casey
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Very informative, Ken. Mine doesn't track very well and wanders more than I would like.
1. My rear seems to be the right height (on the coach, the coach :-). The front is almost an inch high. Not good?
2. I set the tire pressure at 60 on my 23. The ride is harsh enough. Can you gain by a differential pressure front/middle/rear?
3. Slip joint is loose. The fix?
4. Steering joints seem pretty good. Steering gear, though, is loose.
5. Okay, okay, I'll admit it - I tweeked the steering gear, but just a little, honest. I agree, it needs to be set up correctly.
6. Haven't even looked at the alignment. I'm pretty sure one rear wheel is not tracking the others. Not good, I'll bet, huh?
But all that will have to wait until the engine is back together.
Gary
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1. CHECK the REAR and the front ride heights in that order. Adjust if necessary - rears first.
2. Check the tire pressure and inflate by the weight on each axle. If you do not know the weight then inflate them all to 65 as a starting point.
3. Unlock the steering wheel and open driver's side front hood. Find the vertical steering shaft. Grab it at the top and try to rotate it by hand while observing the blue colored slip joint. You are looking for zero rotational play in that joint.
If all of the above are OK proceed to looking a idler arm especially where it mounts to the frame. Then relay lever and steering box are next.
Do NOT adjust the steering box on the coach. There is a procedure in the manual and also on the GMC Eastern States web site.
Finally get it aligned for Zero camber, Zero toe, and Maximum obtainable equal caster side to side. Usually this is 2 to 4 degrees. You will not get 4 degrees without offset bushings.
PLEASE CHECK and adjust the rear ride heights first. It really makes a big difference in the steering.. If you have those shutoff valves on the rear, fix your air problems and leave valves open all the time. This will keep the rear in adjustment as the load in the coach varies.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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