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Sun, 11 October 2009 12:09  |
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Just completed a 700 mile trip where I noticed a 'bogie boogie' that is cupping my right side front tire one way and the rear another. Allignment? Have new tires, shocks and balance.
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Where do we take our coaches for allignment? Truck stop? Camping world?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59743 is a reply to message #59741] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 12:27  |
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Howard,
Camping world has no clue. Some truck shops might.
Call Tom Hampton @ Grandview or Zeb @ Southland
This type of tire cupping is common on the non driving wheels.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Howard Nylander <uziyah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just completed a 700 mile trip where I noticed a 'bogie boogie' that is cupping my right side front tire one way and the rear another. Allignment? Have new tires, shocks and balance.
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> Where do we take our coaches for allignment? Truck stop? Camping world?
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> Thanks!
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> Howard Nylander
> Royale Class of ‘78’, ‘Rocinante’
> Afton, Tn.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59755 is a reply to message #59743] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 13:18 |
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Mahalo Brother Jim. Much appreciated.
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Howard
--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 1:27 PM
Howard,
Camping world has no clue. Some truck shops might.
Call Tom Hampton @ Grandview or Zeb @ Southland
This type of tire cupping is common on the non driving wheels.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Howard Nylander <uziyah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just completed a 700 mile trip where I noticed a 'bogie boogie' that is cupping my right side front tire one way and the rear another. Allignment? Have new tires, shocks and balance.
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> Where do we take our coaches for allignment? Truck stop? Camping world?
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> Thanks!
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> Howard Nylander
> Royale Class of ‘78’, ‘Rocinante’
> Afton, Tn.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59770 is a reply to message #59767] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 15:19 |
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If they have the tools to do it correctly, we should document it .
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59773 is a reply to message #59770] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 16:03 |
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Tire cupping is caused by worn suspension parts. Check to see if the tread blocks at the shoulder of the tires are sawtoothed. Lightly run your fingers forward and back on the tire. If they tend to "catch" in one direction but not the other, that's an indicator of toe out of adjustment.
Jim's right. Non-drive wheels don't change position alignment-wise much except when braking, whereas drive wheels tend to change dynamic toe more based on load (as in throttle-induced). So whatever weirdo wear pattern occurs on non-drive wheels, tends not to change as much as drive wheels.
Static alignment settings are set at the alignment shop. Specs are based on the ASSUMPTION that suspension and steering parts are in good condition, and usage and ride height, etc. are in "normal" ranges. Plus the vehicle is stationary. Dynamic alignment changes are when forces that occur during driving alter the effect of static alignment settings.
It may be just the steering angle being out of spec and/or worn parts, most commonly worn idler arm and/or worn upper A arm bushings allowing excessive caster change under load resulting in dynamic toe setting changes.
The tread design also has a huge influence on a tire's resistance to uneven wear. There was a Goodyear oem all season tire on the late '80's Ford EXP and several others that no way no how could we prevent very rapid uneven wear.
Beyond suspension condition, alignment, and inflation pressure, consider rotating the tires more frequently to alleviate some of the wear pattern setting in. Remember that once rubber is worn off, you can't put it back on. Uneven tire wear can greatly increase noise too.
Larry Engelbrecht
San Diego, CA
'73 26' ex-Glacier
TZE063V100319 03/07/73
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59780 is a reply to message #59777] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 16:49 |
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I should have also mentioned shocks for cupping, although worn shocks won't directly cause sawtooth wear.
Larry Engelbrecht
San Diego, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59782 is a reply to message #59781] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 16:48 |
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here is some poop on rear wheel alignment
http://gmcmotorhome.info/rear.html#string
gene
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Pardon my seemingly never-ending ignorance of all thing GMC, but you mean
> the rear wheels can be aligned? Do the bend something to do it?
> regardless, I like the topic of the thread. We could set it to
> music...{:-)
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> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Howard, Arch found a guy in Carbondale, Il. that alligned his and mine.
> He has the tools to bend the things. I think I paid 300 bux for the 6 wheel
> allignment back in 06.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59791 is a reply to message #59773] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 18:12 |
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Hi Larry,
Center of tire only catches one way in front and the other in the rear. Not bad, ...just there. Coach only has 70K miles and problem is only on right side. I question warn suspension.
Thanks for the info.
Howard
--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Larry Engelbrecht <lengelbrecht@sandi.net> wrote:
From: Larry Engelbrecht <lengelbrecht@sandi.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:03 PM
Tire cupping is caused by worn suspension parts. Check to see if the tread blocks at the shoulder of the tires are sawtoothed. Lightly run your fingers forward and back on the tire. If they tend to "catch" in one direction but not the other, that's an indicator of toe out of adjustment.
It may be just the steering angle being out of spec and/or worn parts, most commonly worn idler arm and/or worn upper A arm bushings allowing excessive caster change under load resulting in dynamic toe setting changes.
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'73 26' ex-Glacier
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59792 is a reply to message #59781] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 18:13 |
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Gary,
Can only be set to music if tire hums. : )
Howard
--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:44 PM
Pardon my seemingly never-ending ignorance of all thing GMC, but you mean the rear wheels can be aligned? Do the bend something to do it? regardless, I like the topic of the thread. We could set it to music...{:-)
Gary
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If they have the tools to do it correctly, we should document it .
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Howard, Arch found a guy in Carbondale, Il. that alligned his and mine. He has the tools to bend the things. I think I paid 300 bux for the 6 wheel allignment back in 06.
> Dan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59794 is a reply to message #59777] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 18:15 |
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Have new tires, shocks and balance.
Howard
--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 5:36 PM
check your shocks
gene
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Howard Nylander <uziyah@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just completed a 700 mile trip where I noticed a 'bogie boogie' that is
> cupping my right side front tire one way and the rear another. Allignment?
> Have new tires, shocks and balance.
>
> Where do we take our coaches for allignment? Truck stop? Camping world?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Howard Nylander
> Royale Class of ‘78’, ‘Rocinante’
> Afton, Tn.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59823 is a reply to message #59791] |
Sun, 11 October 2009 23:26 |
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| UziYaH wrote on Sun, 11 October 2009 18:12 |
Hi Larry,
Center of tire only catches one way in front and the other in the rear. Not bad, ...just there. Coach only has 70K miles and problem is only on right side. I question warn suspension.
Thanks for the info.
Howard
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I have no personal experience with this but it has been said that right side bogies are most likely to have alignment problems as that is the one most likely to hit a curb on turning.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59829 is a reply to message #59791] |
Mon, 12 October 2009 00:19 |
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| UziYaH wrote on Sun, 11 October 2009 16:12 |
...Center of tire only catches one way in front and the other in the rear...problem is only on right side...
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Sounds like one is toed in and the other toed out.
Larry Engelbrecht
San Diego, CA
'73 26' ex-Glacier
TZE063V100319 03/07/73
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59830 is a reply to message #59829] |
Mon, 12 October 2009 01:41 |
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| LarryInSanDiego wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 00:19 |
| UziYaH wrote on Sun, 11 October 2009 16:12 |
...Center of tire only catches one way in front and the other in the rear...problem is only on right side...
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Sounds like one is toed in and the other toed out.
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If the arms aren't bent then the shim packs could be missing or were installed/reinstalled wrong.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59847 is a reply to message #59791] |
Mon, 12 October 2009 08:15 |
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| UziYaH wrote on Sun, 11 October 2009 18:12 |
Hi Larry,
Center of tire only catches one way in front and the other in the rear. Not bad, ...just there. Coach only has 70K miles and problem is only on right side. I question warn suspension.
Thanks for the info.
Howard
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support the rear top hat with blocks and let the air out. put a bottle jack to the inside of the wheel and lift the boggie arm slightly to let the tire clear the ground. now you can push/pull the wheel and measure the pin/bushing wear.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bogie Boogie [message #59852 is a reply to message #59770] |
Mon, 12 October 2009 08:45 |
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Here is Arch's photo album on the alignment shop he found in Ill.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=3016
Dennis
| jimk wrote on Sun, 11 October 2009 15:19 |
If they have the tools to do it correctly, we should document it .
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Howard, Arch found a guy in Carbondale, Il. that alligned his and mine. He has the tools to bend the things. I think I paid 300 bux for the 6 wheel allignment back in 06.
> Dan
> --
> Dan & Teri Gregg
>
> danandteri.blogspot.com
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--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
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