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Thu, 03 September 2009 08:57  |
mlincoln
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Hello all,
Some quick advice is needed before ordering my weekly fix of parts
from Jim K later today. The Royale is now nicely painted and
mechanically just about done, thanks to agreed value insurance (take
note, Amanda). I need advice on three things:
1. LED clearance lights. I had the old ones removed before the re-
paint; they were leaky, faded, and cruddy. For new lights, is the $17/
per (x 10 lights) for the LED lights compared to $7/per for the
traditional lights worth it? I figure the first time I have to change
a burnt out incandescent light bulb it might be worth it. Is the LED
look pretty OEM and do they work well?
2. I removed the old, grungy rub strips and sealed all the
potentially leaky areas before the re-paint (but I realize it will
still leak somewhere). Jim sells two kinds of rub strips: OEM with
black rubber and plastic silver trim vs. solid black rubber. I like
the chrome 70's look, but I'm told that, on the OEM version, the
chrome sheds the covering clear plastic layer off of the silvery
strips in a year or two. Any experience with either the peeling disco
version or the solid black (in terms of look or durability)?
3. Body pads. I have to admit I haven't looked at these underneath
but have seen them discussed on this list. Should I order a set today
since the GMC is at a shop and it would be easy to have it done?
Mackinaw bridge, here we come (in 2 or 3 weeks I hope).
Best, Mike Lincoln
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55398 is a reply to message #55396] |
Thu, 03 September 2009 09:11  |
Ray Erspamer
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These are the LED clearance lights I put on, $9.95 each, they work great.
http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=TRUCK#MBC
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Lincoln <mlincoln1@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 8:57:36 AM
Subject: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip and body pads
Hello all,
Some quick advice is needed before ordering my weekly fix of parts
from Jim K later today. The Royale is now nicely painted and
mechanically just about done, thanks to agreed value insurance (take
note, Amanda). I need advice on three things:
1. LED clearance lights. I had the old ones removed before the re-
paint; they were leaky, faded, and cruddy. For new lights, is the $17/
per (x 10 lights) for the LED lights compared to $7/per for the
traditional lights worth it? I figure the first time I have to change
a burnt out incandescent light bulb it might be worth it. Is the LED
look pretty OEM and do they work well?
2. I removed the old, grungy rub strips and sealed all the
potentially leaky areas before the re-paint (but I realize it will
still leak somewhere). Jim sells two kinds of rub strips: OEM with
black rubber and plastic silver trim vs. solid black rubber. I like
the chrome 70's look, but I'm told that, on the OEM version, the
chrome sheds the covering clear plastic layer off of the silvery
strips in a year or two. Any experience with either the peeling disco
version or the solid black (in terms of look or durability)?
3. Body pads. I have to admit I haven't looked at these underneath
but have seen them discussed on this list. Should I order a set today
since the GMC is at a shop and it would be easy to have it done?
Mackinaw bridge, here we come (in 2 or 3 weeks I hope).
Best, Mike Lincoln
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55400 is a reply to message #55396] |
Thu, 03 September 2009 09:36 |
Steven Ferguson
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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Michael Lincoln<mlincoln1@gmail.com> wrote:
1. LED clearance lights. I had the old ones removed before the re-
Is the LED look pretty OEM and do they work well?
Michael,
I installed the LED clearance lights after my repaint. Because of
the design, they will probably never leak or need maintenance. They
are so close to the OEM design, not many notice the difference.
Brighter too. I recommend them.
2. I removed the old, grungy rub strips and sealed all the
potentially leaky areas before the re-paint (but I realize it will
still leak somewhere). Jim sells two kinds of rub strips: OEM with
black rubber and plastic silver trim vs. solid black rubber. I like
the chrome 70's look, but I'm told that, on the OEM version, the
chrome sheds the covering clear plastic layer off of the silvery
strips in a year or two. Any experience with either the peeling disco
version or the solid black (in terms of look or durability)?
It's the sun and exposure to the elements of outside storage that
kills these things. If you have a way to store the coach under cover,
they should last as long on your coach as they do on new autos.
3. Body pads. I have to admit I haven't looked at these underneath
but have seen them discussed on this list. Should I order a set today
since the GMC is at a shop and it would be easy to have it done?
Sometimes all you have to do us put a 2X4 on top of a jack, put
pressure on the floor and you can slip the pads back into position. I
did this several years ago and so far, they haven't started slipping
back out again.
If you need to replace them, several vendors sell them and they are
not too hard for the avg shade tree guy to install.
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Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55443 is a reply to message #55428] |
Thu, 03 September 2009 14:58 |
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Roger,
Did you have to do anything with your blinker or emergency flashers when you changed the tail lights to LED's?
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
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From: "Roger Black" <r1black@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:44:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip and body pads
Ken said, "if you want to eliminate 80+% of the squeaks and rattles."
Guess Elaine tells you when you shake, rattle, and squeak. Not a
problem here, though. Even engine knocks are ok until the big bang
and I hear that one AND feel it. <G>
On to the subject of LED lights. Best thing going, but seal them
good. If you use well nuts, there can be a problem of them sealing
due to the insulation underneath. Don't ask how I know.
Here's a link to see the LED lights:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=6314
Also shows LED tail lights.
Roger B
Burns, TN
77 Birchaven SB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55537 is a reply to message #55396] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 01:15 |
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| mlincoln wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 06:57 |
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1. LED clearance lights. ...
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LED's are the way to go unless you are only replacing a few. But even then I would think about them anyway. (I think the Jim's carry them at good prices.)
None looks better.
As long as your coach has the "newer" style, where there is a body colored metal strip sealed to the coach, I think they look FAR better WITHOUT a rub strip
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55551 is a reply to message #55537] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 07:38 |
fred v
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| Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 04 September 2009 01:15 |
| mlincoln wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 06:57 |
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1. LED clearance lights. ...
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LED's are the way to go unless you are only replacing a few. But even then I would think about them anyway. (I think the Jim's carry them at good prices.)
None looks better.
As long as your coach has the "newer" style, where there is a body colored metal strip sealed to the coach, I think they look FAR better WITHOUT a rub strip
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on my '77 the front part of the metal strip has screws holding it on and they don't look good. the heads aren't flush so filling them wouldn't work. i too would rather not have the rub strip.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55562 is a reply to message #55551] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 08:17 |
mlincoln
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Already painted, and I have the protruding screws, so I've got to put
on something to finish it off. I'll go with the all-black rub strip.
A rub strip is probably mandatory given my parking skills. Once early
in medical school I was assigned to a community family practice
rotation in Muskegon, Michigan. I started out parking the old family
station wagon (borrowed from dad) next to my preceptor's new Cadillac
at Hackley Hospital. I managed to hit the Caddy on the 2nd day with
the wagon's front bumper when pulling out. No harm to the Chevy wagon
of course. Unfortunately, I hadn't gotten much practice since my
driver's training course because I graduated high school early, went
directly to U of M, and never needed nor had a car in Ann Arbor. It
is a wonder I was allowed to graduate medical school.
Mike
On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, fred veenschoten wrote:
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> Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 04 September 2009 01:15
>> mlincoln wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 06:57
>>> ...
>>> 1. LED clearance lights. ...
>> LED's are the way to go unless you are only replacing a few. But
>> even then I would think about them anyway. (I think the Jim's
>> carry them at good prices.)
>> Quote:
>>> 2. rub strips...
>> None looks better.
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>> As long as your coach has the "newer" style, where there is a body
>> colored metal strip sealed to the coach, I think they look FAR
>> better WITHOUT a rub strip
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> on my '77 the front part of the metal strip has screws holding it on
> and they don't look good. the heads aren't flush so filling them
> wouldn't work. i too would rather not have the rub strip.
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> --
> Fred V
> '77 Royale RB 455
> P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55571 is a reply to message #55569] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 08:50 |
Ray Erspamer
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Interesting.......the ones I purchased had 2 sealed leads coming out of them, a pos and a neg and I was positive I purchased them from there.
Let me do some digging.
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 8:46:32 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip
Ray Erspamer wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 10:11
> These are the LED clearance lights I put on, $9.95 each, they work great.
>
> http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=TRUCK#MBC
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
Ray,
If you notice, these parts are chassis ground. There is no ground lead.
If you used these, how did you add the ground to the part so it could be attached to the wire ground of the original parts?
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55579 is a reply to message #55562] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 09:08 |
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It would have been better to remove any old screws and that stuff in the prep process. That way you could be sloppy and slip and still be able to fix it. Now, you must be careful now. Cut, grand or extract what you have in any way needed (adapt and overcome). You will need to be able to seal the extraction site (the hole) or mount and seal the new light on top of it. I know you will probably say -- duuuuuaaaaa but hey, there's not much rocket science involved in this. I would tape off the area when sealing it to be sure the job looks pro.
Good luck, call me if you have any questions,
Jim Bounds
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From: Michael Lincoln <mlincoln1@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 9:17:10 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip
Already painted, and I have the protruding screws, so I've got to put
on something to finish it off. I'll go with the all-black rub strip.
A rub strip is probably mandatory given my parking skills. Once early
in medical school I was assigned to a community family practice
rotation in Muskegon, Michigan. I started out parking the old family
station wagon (borrowed from dad) next to my preceptor's new Cadillac
at Hackley Hospital. I managed to hit the Caddy on the 2nd day with
the wagon's front bumper when pulling out. No harm to the Chevy wagon
of course. Unfortunately, I hadn't gotten much practice since my
driver's training course because I graduated high school early, went
directly to U of M, and never needed nor had a car in Ann Arbor. It
is a wonder I was allowed to graduate medical school.
Mike
On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, fred veenschoten wrote:
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> Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 04 September 2009 01:15
>> mlincoln wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 06:57
>>> ...
>>> 1. LED clearance lights. ...
>> LED's are the way to go unless you are only replacing a few. But
>> even then I would think about them anyway. (I think the Jim's
>> carry them at good prices.)
>> Quote:
>>> 2. rub strips...
>> None looks better.
>>
>> As long as your coach has the "newer" style, where there is a body
>> colored metal strip sealed to the coach, I think they look FAR
>> better WITHOUT a rub strip
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> on my '77 the front part of the metal strip has screws holding it on
> and they don't look good. the heads aren't flush so filling them
> wouldn't work. i too would rather not have the rub strip.
>
> --
> Fred V
> '77 Royale RB 455
> P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55588 is a reply to message #55579] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 09:25 |
mlincoln
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I did remove and seal off the old stuff as part of the paint process,
with the idea of glueing/adhering new rub strips afterwards. However
(and I'll go to the coach this afternoon and check; I've only seen it
once since painting), there's a flat piece of metal that represents
the stock attachment point for the original rub strip that is bonded
to the otherwise rounded body front to aft (e.g., 20+ feet long
excluding the door). This piece of metal has the attachment points
for the side marker lights, etc. It needs *something* to go over it.
I had the paintwork done with the idea of reapplying a rub strip, not
eliminating it, so I didn't have the guys try to unbond/remove this
attachment strip. I think based on the opinions I've heard I'll go
for the solid black rub strips, instead of the OEM black with
superimposed "plastic chrome".
Mike
On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Jim Bounds wrote:
> It would have been better to remove any old screws and that stuff in
> the prep process. That way you could be sloppy and slip and still
> be able to fix it. Now, you must be careful now. Cut, grand or
> extract what you have in any way needed (adapt and overcome). You
> will need to be able to seal the extraction site (the hole) or mount
> and seal the new light on top of it. I know you will probably say
> -- duuuuuaaaaa but hey, there's not much rocket science involved in
> this. I would tape off the area when sealing it to be sure the job
> looks pro.
>
> Good luck, call me if you have any questions,
>
> Jim Bounds
> ----------------------------
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Lincoln <mlincoln1@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 9:17:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need
> advice on clearance lights and side rub strip
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> Already painted, and I have the protruding screws, so I've got to put
> on something to finish it off. I'll go with the all-black rub strip.
> A rub strip is probably mandatory given my parking skills. Once early
> in medical school I was assigned to a community family practice
> rotation in Muskegon, Michigan. I started out parking the old family
> station wagon (borrowed from dad) next to my preceptor's new Cadillac
> at Hackley Hospital. I managed to hit the Caddy on the 2nd day with
> the wagon's front bumper when pulling out. No harm to the Chevy wagon
> of course. Unfortunately, I hadn't gotten much practice since my
> driver's training course because I graduated high school early, went
> directly to U of M, and never needed nor had a car in Ann Arbor. It
> is a wonder I was allowed to graduate medical school.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:38 AM, fred veenschoten wrote:
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>>
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>> Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 04 September 2009 01:15
>>> mlincoln wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 06:57
>>>> ...
>>>> 1. LED clearance lights. ...
>>> LED's are the way to go unless you are only replacing a few. But
>>> even then I would think about them anyway. (I think the Jim's
>>> carry them at good prices.)
>>> Quote:
>>>> 2. rub strips...
>>> None looks better.
>>>
>>> As long as your coach has the "newer" style, where there is a body
>>> colored metal strip sealed to the coach, I think they look FAR
>>> better WITHOUT a rub strip
>>
>> on my '77 the front part of the metal strip has screws holding it on
>> and they don't look good. the heads aren't flush so filling them
>> wouldn't work. i too would rather not have the rub strip.
>>
>> --
>> Fred V
>> '77 Royale RB 455
>> P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55600 is a reply to message #55396] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 10:01 |
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| mlincoln wrote on Thu, 03 September 2009 08:57 |
Hello all,
Some quick advice is needed before ordering my weekly fix of parts
from Jim K later today. The Royale is now nicely painted and
mechanically just about done, thanks to agreed value insurance (take
note, Amanda). I need advice on three things:
3. Body pads. I have to admit I haven't looked at these underneath
but have seen them discussed on this list. Should I order a set today
since the GMC is at a shop and it would be easy to have it done?
Mackinaw bridge, here we come (in 2 or 3 weeks I hope).
Best, Mike Lincoln
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I bought my pads 3 yrs ago and just got to them this summer. Should have done it sooner. By the time I got to it, there were only about 6 or so pads left between body and frame. The body settled on the left side and squashed the gas tank vent. Now that new pads are in, and a little change in venting, I can put in all but about 3 gallons before the nozzle snaps off. Also, I lifted the body at each pad with a 2X4 at each aluminum cross piece and then used 1" self tapping screws to hold the pad to the body so they won't squash out again. JWID
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Finishing up the paint/restoration, need advice on clearance lights and side rub strip [message #55632 is a reply to message #55400] |
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I'd consider the body pad replacement a necessary thing to do. You'll be
amazed. You'll also be amazed at the work it can be since you have a Royale.
The straps (four places) that are used to keep the frame and body somewhat
close to each other can be a pain. Spray Kroil on the bolts every 48 hours
for a week before attempting to loosen. Also, depending on how thick the
pads are (replacements) you may get by without loosening too much. For thick
pads the job will require loosening a great deal.
Some of us have used Liquid Nails to hold the new pads in place. I'll be
surprised if there aren't at least three missing on your coach. Mine was
nearly body to frame in places.
LEDs are bling as far as I'm concerned. Pads aren't.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
"Body pads. I have to admit I haven't looked at these underneath
but have seen them discussed on this list. Should I order a set today
since the GMC is at a shop and it would be easy to have it done?"
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