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Thu, 07 May 2009 13:14  |
kookykrispy
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One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but never got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it sure is ugly!
I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are sold in white or Almond color...
Here's a pic of the textured panels so you know what I'm talking about:
Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips, tricks are welcome!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42503 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 13:27  |
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Joe;
Before I bought my 1973 GMC, I had a 1986 25' "C" Class GMC that the
nose and bathroom area had rotted out on. I used the 4X8 FRP from Home
Depot on the exterior of the nose and all the interior surfaces. It
cost $50 a sheet here. I used the plastic drive rivets to hold it in
place on both the exterior and interior. If you use screws, you must be
very careful not to split the FRP. Liquid nail and plastic drive rivets
worked well.
Gordon
Joe wrote:
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> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the
> cab area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed
> it, but never got around to installing anything back up there... so
> now the ribs and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy
> the coach, but it sure is ugly!
>
> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass
> reinforced paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets
> and are sold at Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a
> easy, clean and inexpensive solution for replacing the missing
> headliner. The panels are usually joined with narrow plastic trim
> peices. The normal FRP panels are sold in white or Almond color...
>
>
> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas,
> tips, tricks are welcome!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42507 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 14:14 |
Gary Worobec
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Hi Joe,
I used that material on my coach. I cut it into more manageable 2' x 4'
panels (or close as needed) then covered them with 1/4 foam and then wrapped
upholstery fabric around the panels and installed them using 3/4" aluminum
strips painted grey. I think the same treastment using some of the nice
headliner fabric would look good as well. I like the smaller panels as they
are easier to work with and you don;t have to remove a giant panel to do
some work on the overhead. Make sure you use a good grade "Headliner
adhesive" . Ibought mine from a commercial place. It had a skull and
crossbones on the cans and made your nose bleed when used inside the coach.
Excellent adhesion!!
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
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From: "Joe" <kookykrispy@yahoo.com>
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Subject: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner
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> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab
> area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but
> never got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs
> and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it
> sure is ugly!
>
> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced
> paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at
> Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and
> inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are
> usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are
> sold in white or Almond color...
>
> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips,
> tricks are welcome!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42508 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 14:40 |
Steven Ferguson
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If I had it to do over again, that would be my choice. Ease of
cleaning, working with etc. Nice stuff.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Joe <kookykrispy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but never got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it sure is ugly!
>
> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are sold in white or Almond color...
>
> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips, tricks are welcome!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42513 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 14:56 |
Mr ERFisher
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here are a full set of variations for headliners - including variations on
frp.
http://gmcmotorhome.info/living.html#head
did you look at these?
gene
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Joe <kookykrispy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab
> area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but never
> got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs and the
> insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it sure is
> ugly!
>
> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced
> paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at
> Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and
> inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are
> usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are
> sold in white or Almond color...
>
> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips,
> tricks are welcome!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42516 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 15:06 |
Ray Erspamer
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My coach has had the ceiling replaced with FRP and they did a great job when they did it. It's very nice, but to be honest, I would much prefer the cedar plank ceiling like Howard Nylander put in, it looks like it would be like sitting in a cozy cabin. Either way, I wouldn't let the headliner being out be a deal breaker, not that big of a job to replace it, just some time and patience.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
The Malosco Cruiser (TZE368V101144)
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
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From: Joe <kookykrispy@yahoo.com>
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Subject: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner
One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but never got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it sure is ugly!
I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are sold in white or Almond color...
Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips, tricks are welcome!!
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| Re: using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42519 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 15:18 |
kookykrispy
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Ray, I would love to see a couple pics of your headliner installed. I like the look of the wood ceiling, but being 6'3" I want the headliner to be as thin as possible. It looks like a downside of the wood ceiling is that it adds thickness and takes away oh-so-valuable headroom, which is of great importance for us tall guys!
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42526 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 15:58 |
Len Novak
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I did my headliner about two years ago. On the advice of Arch I used a plastic sheet he recommended. I have attached a link to where I bought it in San Diego but for the life of me I can't remember the name or type other that it has a "hair" finish. It is easy to work with, no fumes like FRP, cuts it a razor blade, and is almost indestructible. I used the stock fasteners and pulled both headliners. Krylon white satin was an exact match to the plastic sheets. Assuming Arch does not chime in I'll get the name and type out later when I get home.
http://www.sdplastics.com/index.html
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78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
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---- Joe <kookykrispy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but never got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it sure is ugly!
>
> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are usually joined with narrow plastic trim pieces. The normal FRP panels are sold in white or Almond color...
>
> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips, tricks are welcome!!
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42539 is a reply to message #42508] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 18:24 |
Marcel Bourgon
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Why not use a layer or either 1/8" plywood or 1/4" and cover it with a bit
of foam padding and upholstery materials. Looks a lot better than F.R.P.
The only place one should put F.R.P Panels is in the kitchen at Mcdonalds
Marcel in El Paso
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From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner
If I had it to do over again, that would be my choice. Ease of
cleaning, working with etc. Nice stuff.
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Joe <kookykrispy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab
> area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but
> never got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs
> and the insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it
> sure is ugly!
>
> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced
> paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at
> Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and
> inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are
> usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are
> sold in white or Almond color...
>
> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips,
> tricks are welcome!!
> _______________________________________________
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'76 EII
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| Re: using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42545 is a reply to message #42500] |
Thu, 07 May 2009 19:10 |
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| kookykrispy wrote on Thu, 07 May 2009 11:14 |
One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab area.
I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are sold in white or Almond color...
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I have no installation experience to lend, but have had a coach with 1/8 plywood very nicely done and our current coach with FRP (or what sure looks like FRP). The current coach is so quiet, we love it. No creaking... could be cabinets but I can say that the FRP makes no noise. The FRP is white and looks great. One of the plastic strips was showing some space above the bed. I pushed it, it clicked back in place and I thought, "Sweet".
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42598 is a reply to message #42513] |
Fri, 08 May 2009 08:36 |
Mr ERFisher
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there were several here that talked about using expanded ABS / PVC
gene
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>wrote:
> here are a full set of variations for headliners - including variations on
> frp.
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/living.html#head
>
> did you look at these?
> gene
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> On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Joe <kookykrispy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>
>> One of the coaches I'm considering has no headliner, except over the cab
>> area. The previous owner told me it was sagging so he removed it, but never
>> got around to installing anything back up there... so now the ribs and the
>> insulation is exposed. Not a reason to not buy the coach, but it sure is
>> ugly!
>>
>> I have remodeled a couple bathrooms and used the fiberglass reinforced
>> paneling (FRP) on the walls... these come in 4x8 sheets and are sold at
>> Lowe's/Home Depot. I was thinking that this may be a easy, clean and
>> inexpensive solution for replacing the missing headliner. The panels are
>> usually joined with narrow plastic trim peices. The normal FRP panels are
>> sold in white or Almond color...
>>
>> Anyone used this stuff for a headliner before? Thoughts, ideas, tips,
>> tricks are welcome!!
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #42663 is a reply to message #42598] |
Fri, 08 May 2009 21:56 |
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I did the entire interior of my '78 Transmode with FRP; walls & ceiling. I used it for a couple of reasons. I have severe allergies and wanted no wood, fabric, etc that couldn't just be wiped clean. Plus I like the way it looks and it was super easy to work with. Some of you guys must have girly hands, the way you're whining about cutting it  ; I cut it with a big pair of scissors. Where it went over aluminum ribs, I attached it with trim head screws and finish washers, similar to the way automotive door panels were attached in that era. I like exposed fasteners; they make service access easier. Where it went over wood panels (bath walls, refrigerator enclosure, etc...), I used contact adhesive.
I bought the FRP panels from Home Depot for about $28/each for 4'x8' panels.
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #66251 is a reply to message #66231] |
Tue, 01 December 2009 09:42 |
Len Novak
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When I did the headliner two years ago I used all the original hardware and
3/16 white ABS plastic with a pebble finish. I did the floor with laminate
floor panels. Somewhere in the photo site there are pics.
Cheers.
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of jon simon
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:03 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner
I agree FRP can be bought at Home Depot at $28.00 per 4'X8' sheet, BUT, in
their wisdom HD doesn't carry the various edge strips that they used to
carry.
FRP used to come in a bone color as well, again HD no longer carries it.
Another topic; HD used to sell a 12"x12' solid wood parquet floor
panel/tiles. Has anybody seen any lately???
Jon Simon
Salinas,Ca
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: using FRP panels for the headliner [message #66262 is a reply to message #42500] |
Tue, 01 December 2009 12:01 |
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the PO put FRP headliner in and it is OK but if you ever go into a coach with a foam/fabric headliner you will wish you did that; i may have to cover mine that way. the difference in sound level is remarkable.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #66263 is a reply to message #66262] |
Tue, 01 December 2009 12:26 |
powerjon
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Fred,
You make a very good point. We have a carpet like material that we
used when we redid the headliner. It is made by Foss industries. I
got mine thru Guske blinds. Granted the FRP does make a durable and
very cleanable surface, but you are correct it is very noisy and no
sound deading properties. Our coach is so quite. I have several GMC
friends that have taken the FRP back out used the Foss headliner
material as a replacement. Cost is not really an issue as the Foss is
similar per square foot installed cost. It is also very cleanable. I
have used a mean green machine and clean it like carpet.
J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
TZE Zone Restorations
77 Eleganza Custom (For Sale)
1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
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> the PO put FRP headliner in and it is OK but if you ever go into a
> coach with a foam/fabric headliner you will wish you did that; i may
> have to cover mine that way. the difference in sound level is
> remarkable.
>
> --
> Fred V
> '77 Royale RB 455
> P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner [message #66268 is a reply to message #66266] |
Tue, 01 December 2009 12:57 |
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Gary,
Very nice installation!
J.R. Wright
On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Gary Worobec wrote:
> Hi,
> I used the Home Depot FRP panels for headliner in 2' x 4' (approx.)
> sections.
> I covered them with a layer of 1/4 foam and then used upholstery
> fabric over
> that. You need to use a very good quality headliner adhesive either
> sprayed
> or rolled on. You got to get the good stuff from an upholstery shop.
> If it
> has a skull and crossbones on the can and it makes your nose bleed
> it is the
> right stuff. I used 3/4 inch aluminum strip painted grey and flat
> head SS
> sheet metal screws to hold it up. I like the smaller sections as
> they are
> easy to work with and if you want to do something to the overhead
> you are
> not struggling with a huge panel.
>
> Here is a picture
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=22709
>
> Thanksapprox.
>
> Gary and Joanne Worobec
> 1973 GMC Glacier
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fred veenschoten" <fredntoni@cox.net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] using FRP panels for the headliner
>
>
>>
>>
>> the PO put FRP headliner in and it is OK but if you ever go into a
>> coach
>> with a foam/fabric headliner you will wish you did that; i may have
>> to
>> cover mine that way. the difference in sound level is remarkable.
>>
>> --
>> Fred V
>> '77 Royale RB 455
>> P'cola, Fl
>> __
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78 30' Buskirk Stretch
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