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Solar Battery Maintainer [message #370297] Sat, 06 August 2022 11:41 Go to next message
Carl S. is currently offline  Carl S.   United States
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Since I switched my house batteries to Battle Born LiFePo4 batteries, I had to remove my combiner, which kept my chassis battery topped off from my solar panels. This means that the chassis battery discharges slowly due to parasitic draws on it. I guess I could just disconnect it when I am not using the coach for a while, but I'm thinking a solar battery maintainer would be a better bet.

In researching the options, I see they come in sizes anywhere from a few watts to 20+ watts with MPPT controllers etc. Prices vary accordingly. The question is, how many watts should I be looking at in order to keep the battery topped off? Any recommendations would be appreciated.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: Solar Battery Maintainer [message #370298 is a reply to message #370297] Sat, 06 August 2022 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Carl S. wrote on Sat, 06 August 2022 12:41
Since I switched my house batteries to Battle Born LiFePo4 batteries, I had to remove my combiner, which kept my chassis battery topped off from my solar panels. This means that the chassis battery discharges slowly due to parasitic draws on it. I guess I could just disconnect it when I am not using the coach for a while, but I'm thinking a solar battery maintainer would be a better bet.

In researching the options, I see they come in sizes anywhere from a few watts to 20+ watts with MPPT controllers etc. Prices vary accordingly. The question is, how many watts should I be looking at in order to keep the battery topped off? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Carl,
To keep a battery like our main engine starting battery alive with the typical parasitic loads takes something like 3 watts. I used to do this for one of my cars. VW did this for the cars in holding lots and that is where the panel I got came from. It worked great until I got the space in the barn cleared. (I'll let you guess what happened there.)
Matt


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Re: Solar Battery Maintainer [message #370299 is a reply to message #370298] Sat, 06 August 2022 19:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carl S. is currently offline  Carl S.   United States
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Matt Colie wrote on Sat, 06 August 2022 12:13
Carl S. wrote on Sat, 06 August 2022 12:41
Since I switched my house batteries to Battle Born LiFePo4 batteries, I had to remove my combiner, which kept my chassis battery topped off from my solar panels. This means that the chassis battery discharges slowly due to parasitic draws on it. I guess I could just disconnect it when I am not using the coach for a while, but I'm thinking a solar battery maintainer would be a better bet.

In researching the options, I see they come in sizes anywhere from a few watts to 20+ watts with MPPT controllers etc. Prices vary accordingly. The question is, how many watts should I be looking at in order to keep the battery topped off? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Carl,
To keep a battery like our main engine starting battery alive with the typical parasitic loads takes something like 3 watts. I used to do this for one of my cars. VW did this for the cars in holding lots and that is where the panel I got came from. It worked great until I got the space in the barn cleared. (I'll let you guess what happened there.)
Matt
Thanks Matt. Good information. I guess there's not much point in spending extra $$$ on a big fancy one.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: Solar Battery Maintainer [message #370300 is a reply to message #370297] Sat, 06 August 2022 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gail   Marks Cruiser is currently offline  Gail Marks Cruiser   Australia
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G'day Carl.
We switched over to lithium batteries about 18 months ago. We already had a Victron Multiplus which has an option to monitor and charge a second battery (chassis)up to 8 amps and also has an option for maintaining Lithium batteries.
Our solar panel controller is a cheapish chinese one, but allowed us to lower the voltage charge rate to suit the lithium batteries.

For added peace of mind we also installed a Victron battery monitor, which has a battery cut-out. Both the monitor and the Multiplus has Bluetooth capability so you can monitor both units and receive alarms on your mobile phone.
It took a couple of camping trips, having to lower the solar controller charge voltage again, but all works well now. I'm still contemplating changing the solar controller to Victron as well.


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Re: Solar Battery Maintainer [message #370301 is a reply to message #370300] Sat, 06 August 2022 20:35 Go to previous message
Carl S. is currently offline  Carl S.   United States
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Gail Marks Cruiser wrote on Sat, 06 August 2022 17:18
G'day Carl.
We switched over to lithium batteries about 18 months ago. We already had a Victron Multiplus which has an option to monitor and charge a second battery (chassis)up to 8 amps and also has an option for maintaining Lithium batteries.
Our solar panel controller is a cheapish chinese one, but allowed us to lower the voltage charge rate to suit the lithium batteries.

For added peace of mind we also installed a Victron battery monitor, which has a battery cut-out. Both the monitor and the Multiplus has Bluetooth capability so you can monitor both units and receive alarms on your mobile phone.
It took a couple of camping trips, having to lower the solar controller charge voltage again, but all works well now. I'm still contemplating changing the solar controller to Victron as well.

Mark,

I'm trying not to spend a (another?) small fortune on additional equipment for the Lithium battery installation. I have my solar controller set to 14.4 volts for the bulk charge and 13.6 volts for the float charge. I figure this will top off the batteries even if the PD9245 converter/charger doesn't quite do it. The tech guys at Battle Born told me that if I use my charge pendant to adjust the voltage that will work too.

I may need to upgrade the charger AND the solar controller at some point but I'm working into that gradually. Smile


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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