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| 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358704] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 19:42  |
Tom Katzenberger
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Hello all,
Who carries the Serpentine Belt System for the 455?
Thanks again,
Tom & Oki Katzenberger
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358705 is a reply to message #358704] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 20:17  |
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Matt Colie
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Tom Katzenberger wrote on Wed, 16 September 2020 20:42Hello all,
Who carries the Serpentine Belt System for the 455?
Thanks again,
Tom & Oki Katzenberger
Tom,
Unfortunately for you, nobody that I know of. More than a few have been built up by owners, and some have been successful, not all have. There is a whole system that you can buy from one of the speed companies that is a completely new FEAD that may or may not reverse the coolant pump and may require different accessories to be installed. The packing may be an issue in a coach.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358708 is a reply to message #358704] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 20:24 |
Ken Henderson
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Tom,
I'm one of the few running a serpentine belt in a GMCMH, and perhaps the
last surviving one to have run it on both an Olds 455 and a Cad500 -- my
current setup. With that being said, I can't offer you much good advice
except this link to a long-ago thread on the subject:
https://groups.google.com/g/gmcnet-archive/c/Il2HfQMqCps?pli=1
While looking for that link, I did run across this which looks worth
studying more:
https://pacificgbody.com/blogs/shop/oldsmobile-serpentine-conversion
One thing I caution you about serpentines: Most of the setups for the 455
wind up running the water pump on the back of the serpentine belt -- that
means it runs in reverse. That caused some users of the Leigh Harrison
(who's deceased) system to have overheating problems. A lot of us
tried modifying OEM pumps to improve the reverse flow and Leigh spent a lot
of time and money designing, prototyping, and setting up production for a
true reverse-flow pump. Only then did someone tell us about such a pump
from some model of Olds Diesel engine (I can't tell you more than that).
The point of all that is to tell you that if I were trying to design a
serpentine belt system for the 455, I'd start by trying to design a 2-belt
system similar to what I've designed and run for 5+ years on my Cad500.
You CAN find kits, but they won't be cheap.
Ken H.
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> Hello all,
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> Who carries the Serpentine Belt System for the 455?
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> Thanks again,
> Tom & Oki Katzenberger
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| Re: 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358711 is a reply to message #358704] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 20:51 |
Tom Katzenberger
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I guess, based on the water pump issue and the other complications, I will stick to the original system using a double pulley. With so much work ahead, I can always re-visit the belts later.
Thank you guys so much, I really appreciate you guys for all the input, opinions and wisdom.
Thanks again,
Tom
Tom & Oki Katzenberger,
Kingsville, Maryland,
1977 23' Birchaven, 455 C.I.D., Micro Level, Howell EBL-EFI Spark Control, Macerator, York Air Compressor, 6 Wheel Disc, Quadra Bag, Onan W/Bovee Ignition
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358713 is a reply to message #358707] |
Wed, 16 September 2020 21:27 |
k2gkk
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Jim Bounds of COOP now has a system being installed.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System
No one. It winds up being a do it yourself deal.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:43 PM tomkatz3--- via Gmclist <
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> Who carries the Serpentine Belt System for the 455?
>
> Thanks again,
> Tom & Oki Katzenberger
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358715 is a reply to message #358713] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 00:57 |
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ljdavick
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With fan belts there is the further choice of stock, or a double pulley alternator. I have the double pulley alternator and am very happy with it.
Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
> On Sep 16, 2020, at 7:28 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald via Gmclist wrote:
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> Jim Bounds of COOP now has a system being installed.
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio K2GKK
> Since 30 November '53
> USAF and FAA, Retired
> Member GMCMI & Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
> '76 ex-Palm Beach
> k2gkk + hotmail dot com
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>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy via Gmclist
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 20:05
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: James Hupy
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System
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> No one. It winds up being a do it yourself deal.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:43 PM tomkatz3--- via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Who carries the Serpentine Belt System for the 455?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Tom & Oki Katzenberger
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358721 is a reply to message #358710] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 07:14 |
Ken Henderson
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That looks like a reasonable system, but I didn't see a price. I can't say
that I like that big apparatus ("wings") on the front of the engine, nor
all the added pulleys. But I DO like the fact that it runs the water pump
on the ridged, inside, of the belt so that it turns in the correct
direction. Congratulations, Jim Bounds.
Ken H.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> The Co-op recently announced a new system. No idea what the cost is but it
> sure is purty.
>
> http://www.gmccoop.com/the-day-after-a-holiday-always-take-an-extra-push-to-get-the-co-op-rock-rolling/
> --
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> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358722 is a reply to message #358715] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 07:04 |
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For the past 2 years I have been using the NAPA belt #A56 for my alternator/water pump installation. Most of the belts available today have shrank in width to 10MM or slightly less. These A56 belts are the wide type belts like the original width belts of the past and fit the drive pulleys. The rule of thumb lately has been to use a 10MM wrench and if it fits over the belt then most likely the belts will sit too far down in the pulley and eventually start to slip and squeal. If the wrench does not fit over the belt then you have a better chance of avoiding the problems.
J.R. Wright
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> On Sep 17, 2020, at 1:57 AM, Larry Davick via Gmclist wrote:
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> With fan belts there is the further choice of stock, or a double pulley alternator. I have the double pulley alternator and am very happy with it.
>
> Larry Davick
> 1976 Palm Beach
>
>> On Sep 16, 2020, at 7:28 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald via Gmclist wrote:
>>
>> Jim Bounds of COOP now has a system being installed.
>>
>> D C "Mac" Macdonald
>> Amateur Radio K2GKK
>> Since 30 November '53
>> USAF and FAA, Retired
>> Member GMCMI & Classics
>> Oklahoma City, OK
>> "The Money Pit"
>> TZE166V101966
>> '76 ex-Palm Beach
>> k2gkk + hotmail dot com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy via Gmclist
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 20:05
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Cc: James Hupy
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System
>>
>> No one. It winds up being a do it yourself deal.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 5:43 PM tomkatz3--- via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Who carries the Serpentine Belt System for the 455?
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Tom & Oki Katzenberger
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358723 is a reply to message #358721] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 07:48 |
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Ken,
It appears to be a kit produced by All American Billet. To get the correct kit part number you would need to contact them direct.
JR Wright
Michigan
> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:14 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist wrote:
>
> That looks like a reasonable system, but I didn't see a price. I can't say
> that I like that big apparatus ("wings") on the front of the engine, nor
> all the added pulleys. But I DO like the fact that it runs the water pump
> on the ridged, inside, of the belt so that it turns in the correct
> direction. Congratulations, Jim Bounds.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> The Co-op recently announced a new system. No idea what the cost is but it
>> sure is purty.
>>
>> http://www.gmccoop.com/the-day-after-a-holiday-always-take-an-extra-push-to-get-the-co-op-rock-rolling/
>> --
>> Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
>> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
>> 77 Palm Beach - Parts Coach - SOLD
>> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
>> A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358727 is a reply to message #358723] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 09:15 |
Ken Henderson
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Wow! $1795.50. I think maybe I invested as much as $50 in my Cad500
serpentine, including the CS130D alternator.
Ken H.
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:49 AM John Wright via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Ken,
> It appears to be a kit produced by All American Billet. To get the
> correct kit part number you would need to contact them direct.
>
> https://www.carid.com/all-american-billet/silverline-front-serpentine-belt-drive-system-mpn-fds-bbc-204.html?view=454652&utm_source=microsoft& utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=268725012&utm_content=1172080075991616&msclkid=4407490a5f391467d31e1669065d198a
>>
>
> JR Wright
> Michigan
>
>
>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:14 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That looks like a reasonable system, but I didn't see a price. I can't
> say
>> that I like that big apparatus ("wings") on the front of the engine, nor
>> all the added pulleys. But I DO like the fact that it runs the water
> pump
>> on the ridged, inside, of the belt so that it turns in the correct
>> direction. Congratulations, Jim Bounds.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The Co-op recently announced a new system. No idea what the cost is but
> it
>>> sure is purty.
>>>
>>>
> http://www.gmccoop.com/the-day-after-a-holiday-always-take-an-extra-push-to-get-the-co-op-rock-rolling/
>>> --
>>> Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
>>> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
>>> 77 Palm Beach - Parts Coach - SOLD
>>> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
>>> A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358730 is a reply to message #358727] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 09:36 |
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That is a lot of "v" belts and several tow calls. Think I'll just keep my
dual belt setup a while longer. Those serpentine systems have a place,
though. They "LOOK REALLY COOL" in the exposed engine compartment of a 32
Ford hot rod. Don't know if they cool the engine one bit better, though.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 7:16 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Wow! $1795.50. I think maybe I invested as much as $50 in my Cad500
> serpentine, including the CS130D alternator.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:49 AM John Wright via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>> It appears to be a kit produced by All American Billet. To get the
>> correct kit part number you would need to contact them direct.
>>
>> >
> https://www.carid.com/all-american-billet/silverline-front-serpentine-belt-drive-system-mpn-fds-bbc-204.html?view=454652&utm_source=microsoft& utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=268725012&utm_content=1172080075991616&msclkid=4407490a5f391467d31e1669065d198a
>>>
>>
>> JR Wright
>> Michigan
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:14 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> That looks like a reasonable system, but I didn't see a price. I can't
>> say
>>> that I like that big apparatus ("wings") on the front of the engine,
> nor
>>> all the added pulleys. But I DO like the fact that it runs the water
>> pump
>>> on the ridged, inside, of the belt so that it turns in the correct
>>> direction. Congratulations, Jim Bounds.
>>>
>>> Ken H.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Co-op recently announced a new system. No idea what the cost is
> but
>> it
>>>> sure is purty.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
> http://www.gmccoop.com/the-day-after-a-holiday-always-take-an-extra-push-to-get-the-co-op-rock-rolling/
>>>> --
>>>> Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
>>>> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
>>>> 77 Palm Beach - Parts Coach - SOLD
>>>> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
>>>> A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
>>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358731 is a reply to message #358730] |
Thu, 17 September 2020 10:04 |
Randy Hecht
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V-belts will work for me, the price to convert is more than a new 4-bag rear suspension. I’ll skip the serpentine belts for the rear suspension.
Chaplain Randy Hecht
Roswell, GA
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> On Sep 17, 2020, at 10:37, James Hupy via Gmclist wrote:
>
> That is a lot of "v" belts and several tow calls. Think I'll just keep my
> dual belt setup a while longer. Those serpentine systems have a place,
> though. They "LOOK REALLY COOL" in the exposed engine compartment of a 32
> Ford hot rod. Don't know if they cool the engine one bit better, though.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 7:16 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Wow! $1795.50. I think maybe I invested as much as $50 in my Cad500
>> serpentine, including the CS130D alternator.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:49 AM John Wright via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken,
>>> It appears to be a kit produced by All American Billet. To get the
>>> correct kit part number you would need to contact them direct.
>>>
>>> >>
>> https://www.carid.com/all-american-billet/silverline-front-serpentine-belt-drive-system-mpn-fds-bbc-204.html?view=454652&utm_source=microsoft& utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=268725012&utm_content=1172080075991616&msclkid=4407490a5f391467d31e1669065d198a
>>>>
>>>
>>> JR Wright
>>> Michigan
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 17, 2020, at 8:14 AM, Ken Henderson via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That looks like a reasonable system, but I didn't see a price. I can't
>>> say
>>>> that I like that big apparatus ("wings") on the front of the engine,
>> nor
>>>> all the added pulleys. But I DO like the fact that it runs the water
>>> pump
>>>> on the ridged, inside, of the belt so that it turns in the correct
>>>> direction. Congratulations, Jim Bounds.
>>>>
>>>> Ken H.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jerry Burt via Gmclist >>> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The Co-op recently announced a new system. No idea what the cost is
>> but
>>> it
>>>> > sure is purty.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.gmccoop.com/the-day-after-a-holiday-always-take-an-extra-push-to-get-the-co-op-rock-rolling/
>>>> > --
>>>> > Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
>>>> > 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
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| Re: 455 Serpentine Belt System [message #358825 is a reply to message #358704] |
Mon, 21 September 2020 07:40 |
jhbridges
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Registered: May 2011
Location: Braselton ga
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Someone in the know, is that sufficient wrap around the steering pump? I*'d like an idler between the crankshaft and the steering pump to wrap the pump a bit more.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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