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| Front wheel spacers [message #358032] |
Mon, 24 August 2020 22:51  |
victor colon
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I recently purchased a 77 Kingsley with the original steel 16.5" wheels. I have a set of Weld Racing 16.5" wheels that i got off a 73 that I had also purchased. I'm installing the Weld Racing on to the 77 which is the one I plan on keeping. I have a tire changer and plenty of tools and jacks to do the job. Ive never worked on any vehicle this large and those damn wheels are heavy. Anyhow the rears have been swapped. When I removed the Weld Racing wheels off the 73, the PO had some washers as spacers on the lugs. I thought "UH OH... nothing is as simple as it seems".
When installing the wheels on the 77, I reused the washer/spacers assuming it would work as it did on the 73. but of course "nothing is as simple as it seems" and the wheels hit against the calipers. I havent compared the calipers to see if they are different, but obviously something is different.
Does anyone know if the calipers changed from 73 to 77? Ive read about some upgrades to 80mm, could that be what I have on the 77? How to find out?
Also whats spacers can I install. I did a quick search and couldn't find spacers 8 x 5.5".... about 1/4" should clear. I saw the ones from Apllied But those are 2" and more than Id like to spend.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
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| Re: Front wheel spacers [message #358033 is a reply to message #358032] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 06:43  |
6cuda6
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The spacers from Applied are going to be your only option unless you have something custom made.(washers behind the wheels will lead to broken studs, not safe!!)
Calipers, as far as i know, should be the same but again they may have been changed to something else by the PO.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: Front wheel spacers [message #358034 is a reply to message #358032] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 06:51 |
lqqkatjon
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I am not familiar with your rims, but the 80mm usually fit under a 16.5" rim.
the way to easily tell if they are the 80mm calipers is by the brake hose, it uses a banjo bolt rather then the hose screw directly into the caliper.
so look at the photos and compare the hose itself.
https://www.gmcmotorhome.com/commodore/front_brake/index.html
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Front wheel spacers [message #358035 is a reply to message #358032] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 06:51 |
C Boyd
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victor colon wrote on Mon, 24 August 2020 23:51I recently purchased a 77 Kingsley with the original steel 16.5" wheels. I have a set of Weld Racing 16.5" wheels that i got off a 73 that I had also purchased. I'm installing the Weld Racing on to the 77 which is the one I plan on keeping. I have a tire changer and plenty of tools and jacks to do the job. Ive never worked on any vehicle this large and those damn wheels are heavy. Anyhow the rears have been swapped. When I removed the Weld Racing wheels off the 73, the PO had some washers as spacers on the lugs. I thought "UH OH... nothing is as simple as it seems".
When installing the wheels on the 77, I reused the washer/spacers assuming it would work as it did on the 73. but of course "nothing is as simple as it seems" and the wheels hit against the calipers. I havent compared the calipers to see if they are different, but obviously something is different.
Does anyone know if the calipers changed from 73 to 77? Ive read about some upgrades to 80mm, could that be what I have on the 77? How to find out?
Also whats spacers can I install. I did a quick search and couldn't find spacers 8 x 5.5".... about 1/4" should clear. I saw the ones from Apllied But those are 2" and more than Id like to spend.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358036 is a reply to message #358035] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 06:59 |
Ken Henderson
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The 80 mm calipers have a "bump" sticking out of one outer side. That bump
touches Alcoa and other 16" wheels until ground down to match the rest of
the housing. I don't know whether it conflicts with OEM 16.5" wheels, but
perhaps that's what's interfering with your Weld wheels?
Ken H.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:52 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Sir, the spacers from Applied are special made for hub centered wheels.
> Since the Weld wheels are stud centered a standard spacer will work. This
> is
> the kind I use on my Weld wheels. 8x6.5 with 9/16 x 18 studs. I use 2”
> spacers.
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> https://wheeladaptersusa.com/collections/8-lug-wheel-spacers-adapters/products/2-pcs-2-inch-8x6-5-to-8x6-5-wheel-spacers-adapters-9-16-stud-dodge-ford
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> victor colon wrote on Mon, 24 August 2020 23:51
>> I recently purchased a 77 Kingsley with the original steel 16.5" wheels.
> I have a set of Weld Racing 16.5" wheels that i got off a 73 that I had
>> also purchased. I'm installing the Weld Racing on to the 77 which is the
> one I plan on keeping. I have a tire changer and plenty of tools and jacks
>> to do the job. Ive never worked on any vehicle this large and those damn
> wheels are heavy. Anyhow the rears have been swapped. When I removed the
>> Weld Racing wheels off the 73, the PO had some washers as spacers on the
> lugs. I thought "UH OH... nothing is as simple as it seems".
>> When installing the wheels on the 77, I reused the washer/spacers
> assuming it would work as it did on the 73. but of course "nothing is as
> simple
>> as it seems" and the wheels hit against the calipers. I havent compared
> the calipers to see if they are different, but obviously something is
>> different.
>>
>> Does anyone know if the calipers changed from 73 to 77? Ive read about
> some upgrades to 80mm, could that be what I have on the 77? How to find
>> out?
>>
>> Also whats spacers can I install. I did a quick search and couldn't find
> spacers 8 x 5.5".... about 1/4" should clear. I saw the ones from Apllied
>> But those are 2" and more than Id like to spend.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in Advance
>
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> 76 Crestmont
> East Tennessee
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| Re: Front wheel spacers [message #358040 is a reply to message #358039] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 10:40 |
C Boyd
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My apologies sir, it won’t happen again.
victor colon wrote on Tue, 25 August 2020 11:29Thanks Boyd, But the GMC uses 8 X 5.5", not 8 X 6.5".
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358059 is a reply to message #358040] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 20:01 |
jimk
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Our spacers are made to fit our hub.
The one that Chuck posted will not wor as the hub is mot the correct size.
Remember our Kits are made for our coach,
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
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> My apologies sir, it won’t happen again.
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> victor colon wrote on Tue, 25 August 2020 11:29
>> Thanks Boyd, But the GMC uses 8 X 5.5", not 8 X 6.5".
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358067 is a reply to message #358059] |
Tue, 25 August 2020 21:43 |
C Boyd
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Dang it Jim, I wish you had told me that 10 years ago when I used them to mount my Weld wheels I got from Terry Taylor. To late to take them off now.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/crestmont/p35851-back-on-the-ground.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/crestmont/p35782-right-side-on.html
jimk wrote on Tue, 25 August 2020 21:01Our spacers are made to fit our hub.
The one that Chuck posted will not wor as the hub is mot the correct size.
Remember our Kits are made for our coach,
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
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> My apologies sir, it won’t happen again.
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> victor colon wrote on Tue, 25 August 2020 11:29
>> Thanks Boyd, But the GMC uses 8 X 5.5", not 8 X 6.5".
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358070 is a reply to message #358067] |
Wed, 26 August 2020 00:00 |
jimk
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All of you can gain some information by spending time going over our parts
and kit.
We have everything and most kits and we spend lot of time on the phone with
people.
We just released a Electric remote door Lock kit.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 7:44 PM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Dang it Jim, I wish you had told me that 10 years ago when I used them to
> mount my Weld wheels I got from Terry Taylor. To late to take them off
> now.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/crestmont/p35851-back-on-the-ground.html
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/crestmont/p35782-right-side-on.html
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> jimk wrote on Tue, 25 August 2020 21:01
>> Our spacers are made to fit our hub.
>> The one that Chuck posted will not wor as the hub is mot the correct
> size.
>> Remember our Kits are made for our coach,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:41 AM Charles Boyd via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>>> My apologies sir, it won’t happen again.
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>>>
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>>> victor colon wrote on Tue, 25 August 2020 11:29
>>>> Thanks Boyd, But the GMC uses 8 X 5.5", not 8 X 6.5".
>>>
>>>
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>>> C. Boyd
>>> 76 Crestmont
>>> East Tennessee
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| Re: Front wheel spacers [message #358072 is a reply to message #358032] |
Wed, 26 August 2020 01:22 |
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I have a set of Weld 16.5" wheels (thought they were Alcoa's) on my stock 73. Fit great.
Tried them on my 75 with a Manny 1-ton and they hit on the caliper.
Bob Broadwell
75 Eleganza II-Rebuilt performance engine, Manny trans, Manny 1-ton front end, 73 23ft with a side bath getting some updates-both living in Las Vegas
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358081 is a reply to message #358078] |
Wed, 26 August 2020 13:37 |
BoboBob13
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They are listed over in the swapmeet
Bob
Bob Broadwell
75 Eleganza II-Rebuilt performance engine, Manny trans, Manny 1-ton front end, 73 23ft with a side bath getting some updates-both living in Las Vegas
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358095 is a reply to message #358091] |
Wed, 26 August 2020 22:13 |
Carl S.
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I've never heard of an 8 on 5-1/2" bolt pattern.
Jim Hupy used to (or maybe still does) make spacers (maybe 1/4" or 3/8' thick) to alleviate clearance problems when using steel 16" wheels on the front. Maybe they would work for this application too.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Front wheel spacers [message #358099 is a reply to message #358095] |
Wed, 26 August 2020 22:31 |
James Hupy
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I did, but no longer do. Why? Well, my machinist friend who had the big
lathe, his wife died. He became extremely depressed and in spite of his
friends best efforts, turned into a drunken fool. Where he remains today.
I know how he felt (feels) but some very good gmc friends and a
fantastic woman intervened and wouldn't let me kill my self with Jack
Daniels and blues music played way too loud. So I don't have that contact
at my disposal any longer. I do have the services available to me of an
extremely competent machinist, but his custom hourly rate is probitive for
ones and twos of anything. Sorry.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 8:17 PM Carl Stouffer via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I've never heard of an 8 on 5-1/2" bolt pattern.
>
> Jim Hupy used to (or maybe still does) make spacers (maybe 1'4" or 3/8'
> thick) to alleviate clearance problems when using steel 16" wheels on the
> front. Maybe they would work for this application too.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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