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[GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357810] Tue, 18 August 2020 12:33 Go to next message
Oliver Moore is currently offline  Oliver Moore   United States
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My Onan was wo/rking perfectly when I shut it down. Started it up several
days later and it was only charging 6 volts. By manually pushing the
throttle to increase RPM it went up to 9 volts. I have had old Onans in
boats with the same problem so I sent voltage regulator board out for
inspection. Came back OK. Next I went to the large Onan dealer in town
that charges $125/hour. Three hours later I was told that either the stator
or rotor had shorted out. I was told the repair would be expensive and as
the unit was old it wasn't worth fixing.
I am having a hard time believing that diagnosis. I can't get anyone to
take a look at it--too old. But there must be other things that could
cause the charging problem like those round capacitors?? (I know nothing
about electronics) next to the board.
If anyone has a clue please share it. I really don't want--or have-- to
spend the money to replace this genset.
Thanks
Oliver
1973 Kingsley
Patterson Engine
Alcoa Wheels
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357814 is a reply to message #357810] Tue, 18 August 2020 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oliver Moore wrote on Tue, 18 August 2020 13:33
My Onan was wo/rking perfectly when I shut it down. Started it up several days later and it was only charging 6 volts. By manually pushing the throttle to increase RPM it went up to 9 volts. I have had old Onans in boats with the same problem so I sent voltage regulator board out for inspection. Came back OK. Next I went to the large Onan dealer in town that charges $125/hour. Three hours later I was told that either the stator or rotor had shorted out. I was told the repair would be expensive and as the unit was old it wasn't worth fixing.
I am having a hard time believing that diagnosis. I can't get anyone to take a look at it--too old. But there must be other things that could cause the charging problem like those round capacitors?? (I know nothing about electronics) next to the board.
If anyone has a clue please share it. I really don't want--or have-- to spend the money to replace this genset.
Thanks
Oliver
1973 Kingsley
Patterson Engine
Alcoa Wheels
Oliver,

Unfortunately, I have no idea where you are. We do have a GMC guy that can fix it, but he is in Hamilton OH (a little north of Dayton).
At the very least, Jim Miller can give you a definitive answer as to what its problem is even if a field needs rewinding, he can do it. It isn't cheap, but it is less expensive than any replacement.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357818 is a reply to message #357810] Tue, 18 August 2020 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Oliver,

I should have mentioned in my earlier note: If you had the roof air
conditioner running when you shut down the Onan, that is probably what
"killed" the bridge rectifier. That action is a strong "No-No!".

Ken H.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM Oliver Moore via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> My Onan was wo/rking perfectly when I shut it down. Started it up several
> days later and it was only charging 6 volts. By manually pushing the
> throttle to increase RPM it went up to 9 volts. I have had old Onans in
> boats with the same problem so I sent voltage regulator board out for
> inspection. Came back OK. Next I went to the large Onan dealer in town
> that charges $125/hour. Three hours later I was told that either the stator
> or rotor had shorted out. I was told the repair would be expensive and as
> the unit was old it wasn't worth fixing.
> I am having a hard time believing that diagnosis. I can't get anyone to
> take a look at it--too old. But there must be other things that could
> cause the charging problem like those round capacitors?? (I know nothing
> about electronics) next to the board.
> If anyone has a clue please share it. I really don't want--or have-- to
> spend the money to replace this genset.
> Thanks
> Oliver
> 1973 Kingsley
> Patterson Engine
> Alcoa Wheels
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357819 is a reply to message #357810] Tue, 18 August 2020 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Oliver,

I've never had one fail, but your symptoms sound to me like the bridge
rectifier has failed.

Regardless, what you need to do is download and read:
http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/onan_demo/ . That will probably lead you
directly to the problem.

REMEMBER: Before you remove the bridge rectifier, MARK each of the 4
wires! Two of those 4 wires MUST connect to the correct (+ & -) terminals
on the bridge. The other 2 are interchangeable.

The KBPC5010 bridge rectifier readily available from eBay, etc., is a
suitable, economical, replacement, but you must modify the OEM connector
because of the different orientation of its terminals.

Ken H.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM Oliver Moore via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> My Onan was wo/rking perfectly when I shut it down. Started it up several
> days later and it was only charging 6 volts. By manually pushing the
> throttle to increase RPM it went up to 9 volts. I have had old Onans in
> boats with the same problem so I sent voltage regulator board out for
> inspection. Came back OK. Next I went to the large Onan dealer in town
> that charges $125/hour. Three hours later I was told that either the stator
> or rotor had shorted out. I was told the repair would be expensive and as
> the unit was old it wasn't worth fixing.
> I am having a hard time believing that diagnosis. I can't get anyone to
> take a look at it--too old. But there must be other things that could
> cause the charging problem like those round capacitors?? (I know nothing
> about electronics) next to the board.
> If anyone has a clue please share it. I really don't want--or have-- to
> spend the money to replace this genset.
> Thanks
> Oliver
> 1973 Kingsley
> Patterson Engine
> Alcoa Wheels
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357820 is a reply to message #357818] Tue, 18 August 2020 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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WE can send over how to replace the Bridge Rectifier.
New rectifiers require the socket to be modified.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 11:38 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Oliver,
>
> I should have mentioned in my earlier note: If you had the roof air
> conditioner running when you shut down the Onan, that is probably what
> "killed" the bridge rectifier. That action is a strong "No-No!".
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM Oliver Moore via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> My Onan was wo/rking perfectly when I shut it down. Started it up several
>> days later and it was only charging 6 volts. By manually pushing the
>> throttle to increase RPM it went up to 9 volts. I have had old Onans in
>> boats with the same problem so I sent voltage regulator board out for
>> inspection. Came back OK. Next I went to the large Onan dealer in town
>> that charges $125/hour. Three hours later I was told that either the
> stator
>> or rotor had shorted out. I was told the repair would be expensive and as
>> the unit was old it wasn't worth fixing.
>> I am having a hard time believing that diagnosis. I can't get anyone
> to
>> take a look at it--too old. But there must be other things that could
>> cause the charging problem like those round capacitors?? (I know nothing
>> about electronics) next to the board.
>> If anyone has a clue please share it. I really don't want--or have--
> to
>> spend the money to replace this genset.
>> Thanks
>> Oliver
>> 1973 Kingsley
>> Patterson Engine
>> Alcoa Wheels
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357839 is a reply to message #357819] Tue, 18 August 2020 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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That is exactly what I was thinking. I have replaced a couple of them for other people. Mine also has never failed. They are very cheap for a higher rated one at a local electronics store. Or with installation instructions from Jim K at Applied GMC. It should take you less than 1/2 hour to do it yourself.

Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 18 August 2020 13:33
Oliver,

I've never had one fail, but your symptoms sound to me like the bridge
rectifier has failed.

Regardless, what you need to do is download and read:
http://gmcws.org/Tech/dsimmons/onan_demo/ . That will probably lead you
directly to the problem.

REMEMBER: Before you remove the bridge rectifier, MARK each of the 4
wires! Two of those 4 wires MUST connect to the correct (+ & -) terminals
on the bridge. The other 2 are interchangeable.

The KBPC5010 bridge rectifier readily available from eBay, etc., is a
suitable, economical, replacement, but you must modify the OEM connector
because of the different orientation of its terminals.

Ken H.


On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM Oliver Moore via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> My Onan was wo/rking perfectly when I shut it down. Started it up several
> days later and it was only charging 6 volts. By manually pushing the
> throttle to increase RPM it went up to 9 volts. I have had old Onans in
> boats with the same problem so I sent voltage regulator board out for
> inspection. Came back OK. Next I went to the large Onan dealer in town
> that charges $125/hour. Three hours later I was told that either the stator
> or rotor had shorted out. I was told the repair would be expensive and as
> the unit was old it wasn't worth fixing.
> I am having a hard time believing that diagnosis. I can't get anyone to
> take a look at it--too old. But there must be other things that could
> cause the charging problem like those round capacitors?? (I know nothing
> about electronics) next to the board.
> If anyone has a clue please share it. I really don't want--or have-- to
> spend the money to replace this genset.
> Thanks
> Oliver
> 1973 Kingsley
> Patterson Engine
> Alcoa Wheels
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357880 is a reply to message #357810] Thu, 20 August 2020 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Russell K. is currently offline  Russell K.   United States
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Oliver,
There is some really good information about troubleshooting the Onan on this video.

https://youtu.be/tJcwLyrHMq4

Russell


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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357883 is a reply to message #357880] Thu, 20 August 2020 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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That was one great training tape.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 9:04 AM Russell Keith via Gmclist <
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> Oliver,
> There is some really good information about troubleshooting the Onan on
> this video.
>
> https://youtu.be/tJcwLyrHMq4
>
> Russell
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan Problem [message #357887 is a reply to message #357810] Thu, 20 August 2020 18:29 Go to previous message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I have that video on my hard drive if any one wants it. Unfortunately it is 99.8 meg and will not go as an email attachment. Also I will not have email access for the next week.

Ken B.


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