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Shawn Bennear is currently offline  Shawn Bennear   United States
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I picked up a pair of Honda Odessy seats in the pick and pull the other day... 45 bucks for the pair... I want to lost the uncomfortable ones that came with the palm beach, but, I would like to lower them, and make them move back further. (I'm a bigger guy and need a little breathing room...lol) I still would like to utilize the regular bases, but I need to go lower.

Being tall, I hate to have to duck to see a traffic light...lol

Any suggestions on how to make it work?

Thanks!


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It will require some head scratching. I removed all the Honda track and used 2 pieces of Unistrut to mount to swivel bases. Everything worked out great, but seating height is slightly higher than stock. That will be better for your legs, but if you have a long torso, your upward vision will be clipped by the visor. Test first.

John Lebetski
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77 Eleganza II
Re: Question on seat install... [message #356947 is a reply to message #356941] Sat, 18 July 2020 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir, instead of mounting the seat sliders on top of the swivel base you can hang them under the base for a few inches of lowering. I haven’t done it yet, but I’m going to add some spacers and longer bolts to lower another inch or 2 for Cathy.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/honda-seat-lowering/p49389-add-spacers-between-seat-bar-26amp-3b-base.html



Shawn Bennear wrote on Sat, 18 July 2020 18:58
I picked up a pair of Honda Odessy seats in the pick and pull the other day... 45 bucks for the pair... I want to lost the uncomfortable ones that came with the palm beach, but, I would like to lower them, and make them move back further. (I'm a bigger guy and need a little breathing room...lol) I still would like to utilize the regular bases, but I need to go lower.

Being tall, I hate to have to duck to see a traffic light...lol

Any suggestions on how to make it work?

Thanks!


C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: [GMCnet] Question on seat install... [message #356948 is a reply to message #356941] Sat, 18 July 2020 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shawn,

That's a TALL order! I have them in the X-Birchaven, mounted on
rectangular steel boxes about 4-1/2"-5" tall, that I installed probably 20
years ago for other after-market seats. Even with those low bases, at 6'2"
they were too high. I finally lowered them by making new track brackets to
recess those into the seats about 1-1/2". Now they're fine. I can't
imagine trying to make them work on OEM bases.

Ken H.


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 6:59 PM Shawn Bennear via Gmclist <
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> I picked up a pair of Honda Odessy seats in the pick and pull the other
> day... 45 bucks for the pair... I want to lost the uncomfortable ones that
> came with the palm beach, but, I would like to lower them, and make them
> move back further. (I'm a bigger guy and need a little breathing room...lol)
> I still would like to utilize the regular bases, but I need to go lower.
>
> Being tall, I hate to have to duck to see a traffic light...lol
>
> Any suggestions on how to make it work?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [GMCnet] Question on seat install... [message #356949 is a reply to message #356947] Sat, 18 July 2020 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh yeah, that looks much more do-able. I'd forgotten that the slanted top
OEM bases I had were different than most GMC's.

Ken H.


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:46 PM Charles Boyd via Gmclist <
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> Sir, instead of mounting the seat sliders on top of the swivel base you
> can hang them under the base for a few inches of lowering. I haven’t done
> it yet, but I’m going to add some spacers and longer bolts to lower
> another inch or 2 for Cathy.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/honda-seat-lowering/p49389-add-spacers-between-seat-bar-26amp-3b-base.html
>
>
>
> Shawn Bennear wrote on Sat, 18 July 2020 18:58
>> I picked up a pair of Honda Odessy seats in the pick and pull the other
> day... 45 bucks for the pair... I want to lost the uncomfortable ones that
>> came with the palm beach, but, I would like to lower them, and make them
> move back further. (I'm a bigger guy and need a little breathing
>> room...lol) I still would like to utilize the regular bases, but I need
> to go lower.
>>
>> Being tall, I hate to have to duck to see a traffic light...lol
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to make it work?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
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> 76 Crestmont
> East Tennessee
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Re: Question on seat install... [message #356951 is a reply to message #356941] Sat, 18 July 2020 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What Chuck said!! Mounted mine like that to gain about an inch. Then found a Trapazoid mount from a 78' Royale that was stock, another inch lower. Between the two, Lucy's feet now touch the floor. Cool

Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
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Re: Question on seat install... [message #356960 is a reply to message #356951] Sun, 19 July 2020 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Larry, please explain in Appalachian English please. Have you got a pic? I also have a set of bases from a 78 Ele II and don’t see it?

The term trapezium has been in use in English since 1570, from Late Latin trapezium, from Greek τραπέζιον (trapézion), literally "a little table", a diminutive of τράπεζα (trápeza), "a table", itself from τετράς (tetrás), "four" + πέζα (péza), "a foot; end, border, edge".[4]

The first recorded use of the Greek word translated trapezoid (τραπεζοειδή, trapezoeidé, "table-like") was by Marinus Proclus[dubious – discuss] (412 to 485 AD) in his Commentary on the first book of Euclid's Elements.[5]

This article uses the term trapezoid in the sense that is current in the United States and Canada. In many languages also using a word derived from the Greek, the form used is the one closest to trapezium, not to trapezoid (e.g. French trapèze, Italian trapezio, Portuguese trapézio, Spanish trapecio, German Trapez, Ukrainian "трапеція").

The term trapezoid was once defined as a quadrilateral without any parallel sides in Britain and elsewhere. The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) says "Often called by English writers in the 19th century".[6] According to the OED, the sense of a figure with no sides parallel is the meaning for which Proclus introduced the term "trapezoid". This is retained in the French trapézoïde,[7] German Trapezoid, and in other languages. However, this particular sense is considered obsolete.

A trapezium in Proclus' sense is a quadrilateral having one pair of its opposite sides parallel. This was the specific sense in England in the 17th and 18th centuries, and again the prevalent one in recent use outside North America. A trapezium as any quadrilateral more general than a parallelogram is the sense of the term in Euclid.

Confusingly, the word trapezium was sometimes used in England from c. 1800 to c. 1875, to denote an irregular quadrilateral having no sides parallel. This is now obsolete in England, but continues in North America. However this shape is more usually (and less confusingly) just called an irregular quadrilateral.[8][9]



C. Boyd
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East Tennessee
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Hi Larry, please explain in Appalachian English please. Have you got a pic?

The term trapezium has been in use in English since 1570, from Late Latin trapezium, from Greek τραπέζιον (trapézion), literally "a little table", a diminutive of τράπεζα (trápeza), "a table", itself from τετράς (tetrás), "four" + πέζα (péza), "a foot; end, border, edge".[4]

The first recorded use of the Greek word translated trapezoid (τραπεζοειδή, trapezoeidé, "table-like") was by Marinus Proclus[dubious – discuss] (412 to 485 AD) in his Commentary on the first book of Euclid's Elements.[5]

This article uses the term trapezoid in the sense that is current in the United States and Canada. In many languages also using a word derived from the Greek, the form used is the one closest to trapezium, not to trapezoid (e.g. French trapèze, Italian trapezio, Portuguese trapézio, Spanish trapecio, German Trapez, Ukrainian "трапеція").

The term trapezoid was once defined as a quadrilateral without any parallel sides in Britain and elsewhere. The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) says "Often called by English writers in the 19th century".[6] According to the OED, the sense of a figure with no sides parallel is the meaning for which Proclus introduced the term "trapezoid". This is retained in the French trapézoïde,[7] German Trapezoid, and in other languages. However, this particular sense is considered obsolete.

A trapezium in Proclus' sense is a quadrilateral having one pair of its opposite sides parallel. This was the specific sense in England in the 17th and 18th centuries, and again the prevalent one in recent use outside North America. A trapezium as any quadrilateral more general than a parallelogram is the sense of the term in Euclid.

Confusingly, the word trapezium was sometimes used in England from c. 1800 to c. 1875, to denote an irregular quadrilateral having no sides parallel. This is now obsolete in England, but continues in North America. However this shape is more usually (and less confusingly) just called an irregular quadrilateral.[8][9]



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Appalachian English? OH..OK.

Appalachian English is a variant of American English native to the Appalachian mountain region of the Eastern United States. Historically, the term "Appalachian dialect" refers to a local English variety of southern Appalachia, also known as Smoky Mountain English or Southern Mountain English in the United States,[1] both influential upon and influenced by the Southern U.S. regional dialect, which has become predominant in central and southern Appalachia today, while a Western Pennsylvania regional dialect has become predominant in northern Appalachia.[2] The 2006 Atlas of North American English identifies the "Inland South,” a dialect sub-region in which the Southern U.S. dialect's defining vowel shift is the most developed,[3] as centering squarely in southern Appalachia: namely, the cities of Knoxville and Chattanooga, Tennessee; Birmingham, Alabama; and Asheville, North Carolina.[4] All Appalachian English is rhotic and characterized by distinct phonology, morphology, syntax, and lexicon. It is mostly oral but its features are also sometimes represented in literary works.

Extensive research has been conducted since the 1930s to determine the origin of the Appalachian dialect. One popular theory is that the dialect is a preserved remnant of 16th-century (or "Elizabethan") English in isolation,[5][6] though a far more accurate comparison would be to 18th-century (or "colonial") English.[7] Regardless, the Appalachian dialect studied within the last century, like most dialects, actually shows a mix of both older and newer features.[7]

Appalachian English has long been criticized both within and outside of the speaking area as an inferior dialect, which is often mistakenly attributed to supposed laziness, lack of education, or the region's relative isolation. American writers throughout the 20th century have used the dialect as the chosen speech of uneducated and unsophisticated characters, though research has largely disproven these stereotypes; however, due to prejudice, the use of the Appalachian dialect is still often an impediment to educational and social advancement.[8]

Along with these pejorative associations, there has been much debate as to whether Appalachian English is an actual dialect. Many researchers believe that it is more a part of the Southern dialect region as it shares many components with it. Others believe that it is its own dialect with results coming from differing lexical variables. Appalachian English does include many similar grammatical components as the Midland dialect.[9]

Oh, and I was surprised when I found that lower trapezoid mount. Got it from a friend that went with a set of Flexsteels that had their own mounts. It's like someone took that trapezoid and flattened it out by an inch. Just what I needed to make Lucy happy. You know, when moma's happy, everyone's happy. Very Happy Cool




Larry Smile
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Menomonie, WI.
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Touché my friend, but I still need a pic to understand. Are your swivel unlock levers against the wall or on the isle side? I have only seen one set on the isle side with the offset swivel on isle side and glovebox door on the front. That is Jim Greys (Joe Jackson’s X) 78 Palm Beach.
Hope you and Lucy are well.





Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 08:48
Appalachian English? OH..OK.

Appalachian English is a variant of American English native to the Appalachian mountain region of the Eastern United States. Historically, the term "Appalachian dialect" refers to a local English variety of southern Appalachia, also known as Smoky Mountain English or Southern Mountain English in the United States,[1] both influential upon and influenced by the Southern U.S. regional dialect, which has become predominant in central and southern Appalachia today, while a Western Pennsylvania regional dialect has become predominant in northern Appalachia.[2] The 2006 Atlas of North American English identifies the "Inland South,” a dialect sub-region in which the Southern U.S. dialect's defining vowel shift is the most developed,[3] as centering squarely in southern Appalachia: namely, the cities of Knoxville and Chattanooga, Tennessee; Birmingham, Alabama; and Asheville, North Carolina.[4] All Appalachian English is rhotic and characterized by distinct phonology, morphology, syntax, and lexicon. It is mostly oral but its features are also sometimes represented in literary works.

Extensive research has been conducted since the 1930s to determine the origin of the Appalachian dialect. One popular theory is that the dialect is a preserved remnant of 16th-century (or "Elizabethan") English in isolation,[5][6] though a far more accurate comparison would be to 18th-century (or "colonial") English.[7] Regardless, the Appalachian dialect studied within the last century, like most dialects, actually shows a mix of both older and newer features.[7]

Appalachian English has long been criticized both within and outside of the speaking area as an inferior dialect, which is often mistakenly attributed to supposed laziness, lack of education, or the region's relative isolation. American writers throughout the 20th century have used the dialect as the chosen speech of uneducated and unsophisticated characters, though research has largely disproven these stereotypes; however, due to prejudice, the use of the Appalachian dialect is still often an impediment to educational and social advancement.[8]

Along with these pejorative associations, there has been much debate as to whether Appalachian English is an actual dialect. Many researchers believe that it is more a part of the Southern dialect region as it shares many components with it. Others believe that it is its own dialect with results coming from differing lexical variables. Appalachian English does include many similar grammatical components as the Midland dialect.[9]

Oh, and I was surprised when I found that lower trapezoid mount. Got it from a friend that went with a set of Flexsteels that had their own mounts. It's like someone took that trapezoid and flattened it out by an inch. Just what I needed to make Lucy happy. You know, when moma's happy, everyone's happy. Very Happy Cool




C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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C Boyd wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 08:07
Touché my friend, but I still need a pic to understand. Are your swivel unlock levers against the wall or on the isle side? I have only seen one set on the isle side with the offset swivel on isle side and glovebox door on the front. That is Jim Greys (Joe Jackson’s X) 78 Palm Beach.
Hope you and Lucy are well.
Hey Chuck,
Lets see what I can do, will have to lift the seats out to make my point, so, I'll try to get some pics today of the two mounts. Both mounts have the swivel levers on the wall side with the glovebox door forward.

Thanks Chuck, we are doing well. Hugs to Cathy from us.


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

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Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 08:56
C Boyd wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 08:07
Touché my friend, but I still need a pic to understand. Are your swivel unlock levers against the wall or on the isle side? I have only seen one set on the isle side with the offset swivel on isle side and glovebox door on the front. That is Jim Greys (Joe Jackson’s X) 78 Palm Beach.
Hope you and Lucy are well.
Hey Chuck,
Lets see what I can do, will have to lift the seats out to make my point, so, I'll try to get some pics today of the two mounts. Both mounts have the swivel levers on the wall side with the glovebox door forward.

Thanks Chuck, we are doing well. Hugs to Cathy from us.
Thanks Chuck, we are doing well. Hugs to Cathy from us.[/quote]

So, I just went out to look at the mounts. I see I was mistaken about the trapezoids. They are identical. It is the swivel mount that is different. The passenger side swivel mounting plate is at 8" from the base of the trapezoid and the drivers side swivel mounting plate is at 10". So, it is the swivel moot that is flattened out and 2" lower. If you want, I can unbolt the seats, and take them off of the swivel mount. I took pics of the mounts and posted them to this link.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g7313-cockpit-seats.html


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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Chuck, I slid the seats all of the way forward and took additional pics of the passenger and driver swivel mounts. If you still want me to take the seats off of the mount for more pics, I can do that.

Larry Smile
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Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 11:06
Chuck, I slid the seats all of the way forward and took additional pics of the passenger and driver swivel mounts. If you still want me to take the seats off of the mount for more pics, I can do that.
Larry, How did you slice town the passenger side swivel base? and what size unistrut did you use?

Shawn


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Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 10:39
Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 11:06
Chuck, I slid the seats all of the way forward and took additional pics of the passenger and driver swivel mounts. If you still want me to take the seats off of the mount for more pics, I can do that.
Larry, How did you slice town the passenger side swivel base? and what size unistrut did you use?

Shawn
Shawn,
I didn't cut it down. It was that way when I got it from a friend. It came out of a 78' Royale when he switched over to a set of Flexsteel seats that had bases. Odd, because both seat bases (driver and passenger) on my 78 Royale had the taller swivels.


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Thanks Larry, I can see what was done which looks like a lot of fabrication on one. No need to remove seats for me.




Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 12:09
Shawn Bennear wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 10:39
Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 11:06
Chuck, I slid the seats all of the way forward and took additional pics of the passenger and driver swivel mounts. If you still want me to take the seats off of the mount for more pics, I can do that.
Larry, How did you slice town the passenger side swivel base? and what size unistrut did you use?

Shawn
Shawn,
I didn't cut it down. It was that way when I got it from a friend. It came out of a 78' Royale when he switched over to a set of Flexsteel seats that had bases. Odd, because both seat bases (driver and passenger) on my 78 Royale had the taller swivels.


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Chuck, I'm pretty sure that was not refabricated. It looked dead stock to me when I got it. JWIT

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Larry, I certainly wouldn’t argue with you on that. I have heard tales of one off GMCs from the factory. I met a feller that said he worked at Norris Homes in Bean Station when they were doing the interiors for GMCs. I know that Midas outfitted the Crestmonts there. He swore that a brand new GMC came thru with a 500 Cadillac engine in it. He got a little upset when I kept asking are you sure and he said I know a Cadillac from an Olds. Caddy’s have the distributor in the front.





Larry wrote on Sun, 19 July 2020 20:00
Chuck, I'm pretty sure that was not refabricated. It looked dead stock to me when I got it. JWIT


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