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| Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355079] |
Sun, 24 May 2020 13:52  |
6cuda6
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So maybe a stupid question as i have the time to ask it.... does anyone make a flush mount RV sewer vent?
When Hughes built these coaches i'm not sure if they ever thought 2 AC units would ever be put on the roof....anyways to make a long story short i have a second AC i could put on but the black tank vent is basically in the way.  Some might say...just move it...and the mechanic in me says sure thing....but none of these units have fiberglass bathrooms like the GM models do and they ran the pipe from the tank up the hallway side corner behind the toilet hidden behind a "box".
In order to move it i have to also move "the box" and my cabinet maker wife said "leave it alone or your going to open up a whole can of worms".....so the only other choice other than redoing the whole bathroom, if i want to add the AC is a flush mount black tank vent that will be just under the none fastened part of the AC unit [the part that is held up off the roof].
So what do you think.....does one exist? Bad idea as it is possible the AC might suck in fumes from the tank vent? Options? I know i can not put the second AC on altogether and install some really expensive vents instead [i want one to be able to run in reverse].
Rich Mondor,
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77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355087 is a reply to message #355083] |
Sun, 24 May 2020 16:30  |
jimk
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Problem wit a flush mounted sewer vent is when snow and heavy rain will
drain down the vent and possibly fill your sewer tank.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:09 PM John Wright via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> This is true when more clearance is needed. When your parked the AC unit
> doesn’t know which way it is facing.
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> J.R. Wright
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>> On May 24, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Dennis Sexton via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Rich
>> Some have installed the rear AC unit reverse direction - would that give
> you the clearance you need.
>> Putting the AC unit on "backwards" apparently has no affect on its
> performance.
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>> Dennis
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>> 6cuda6 wrote on Sun, 24 May 2020 13:52
>>> So maybe a stupid question as i have the time to ask it.... does
> anyone make a flush mount RV sewer vent?
>>>
>>> When Hughes built these coaches i'm not sure if they ever thought 2 AC
> units would ever be put on the roof....anyways to make a long story short i
>>> have a second AC i could put on but the black tank vent is basically in
> the way. :cry: Some might say...just move it...and the mechanic in me says
>>> sure thing....but none of these units have fiberglass bathrooms like
> the GM models do and they ran the pipe from the tank up the hallway side
> corner
>>> behind the toilet hidden behind a "box".
>>>
>>> In order to move it i have to also move "the box" and my cabinet maker
> wife said "leave it alone or your going to open up a whole can of
>>> worms".....so the only other choice other than redoing the whole
> bathroom, if i want to add the AC is a flush mount black tank vent that
> will be
>>> just under the none fastened part of the AC unit [the part that is held
> up off the roof].
>>>
>>> So what do you think.....does one exist? Bad idea as it is possible the
> AC might suck in fumes from the tank vent? Options? I know i can not put
>>> the second AC on altogether and install some really expensive vents
> instead [i want one to be able to run in reverse].
>>
>>
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>> 73 Painted Desert 230
>> Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355100 is a reply to message #355079] |
Sun, 24 May 2020 22:11 |
Rick Staples
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JimK,
I hope I'm not being a wise-ass here, but a 30 gallon tank (about as small as we GMCers have) should hold about 3,920 inches of rainfall entering a 1 1/2" pipe opening. That's 326 feet of rain. Unless the tank is already brim-full, I wouldn't worry about it. 
HTH
rick Staples
Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
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| Re: Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355105 is a reply to message #355102] |
Mon, 25 May 2020 09:20 |
6cuda6
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Not sure, i would have to see if it does.
And that "fresh air" is what im worried about.....lol.
RF_Burns wrote on Mon, 25 May 2020 08:17Does the A/C unit bring in outside "fresh" air when running?
If so you might not want a black tank vent in close proximity to it... the air might be just be "too fresh"... if you get my drift...
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355113 is a reply to message #355109] |
Mon, 25 May 2020 13:46 |
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If you can get to that vent inside the coach you might be able to install an Air Admittance Valve and eliminate the roof vent. I'm not a big fan of these valves but they are code compliant. Just an idea, Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355114 is a reply to message #355113] |
Mon, 25 May 2020 13:54 |
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Assuming (yeah, I know) that you would probably only need the rear A/C unit when you were stopped (for the night?), one of those "weather vane" type venturi extractors on a maybe extended vent pipe could serve to get the "fumes" away from the A/C. I'm not even sure that our coach A/C units use outside air, so no real worry!
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent?
If you can get to that vent inside the coach you might be able to install an Air Admittance Valve and eliminate the roof vent. I'm not a big fan of
these valves but they are code compliant. Just an idea, Hal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355118 is a reply to message #355109] |
Mon, 25 May 2020 18:43 |
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Richard,
you are correct, however the rv manufactures do not want it to happen and
also easy to seal around the pipe at a higher level.
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:48 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist <
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> Rich
> I once put a microwave into the top shelf of the cabinet opposite the
> bathroom. I found that the vent pipe from below wanted to go through the
> microwave. I cut the vent pipe below the microwave and then used radiator
> hoses with bends to vent around the microwave and then up to the existing
> roof vent. This worked very well for me.
>
> It will work just fine with bends in the pipe.
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> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
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>> On May 25, 2020, at 8:22 AM, 6cuda6--- via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I think I'm in a pickle and am going to have to just shelve the second
> a/c till i figure out the vent and bathroom deal.
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>> Brockville, ON
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>> 77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355122 is a reply to message #355118] |
Mon, 25 May 2020 22:00 |
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I was going to suggest an AAV, but I see Hal already beat me to it.
Carl Stouffer
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355133 is a reply to message #355113] |
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Air admittance valves are code compliant for most residential construction codes, but I'm not sure about installation in an RV, particularly on a black tank vent. A residential toilet has its own built in water seal that prevents sewer gases from rising through the toilet, an RV toilet does not. How an AAV would play with a ventless and trap-less toilet, I do not know, but it'd be a good idea to do your homework before cutting and removing the existing vent.
Emery's solution of using radiator hose and hose clamps seems simplest and least likely to cause a stinky gotchya.
While on the subject of venting and traps, Hepvo waterless traps should replace P-traps in all RVs at the first opportunity. Easy to install, frees up some room under the sinks, no need to winterize and gets rid of the tiny black flies that use the drains' trap water as a watering hole.
Richard
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'76 Palm Beach under construction;
‘76 Edgemont waiting its turn
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355139 is a reply to message #355133] |
Tue, 26 May 2020 09:13 |
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The vent pipe doesn’t care if it runs horizontal. Why not reroute the pipe horizontally along the top edge of the bathroom wall and have your wife build a cover to hide it.
The AAV would be a poor choice IMO because it is basically a 1-way valve, letting air into the system. The problem is they won’t let air out and could conceivably allow the Ptrap contents and tank gasses to get blown into the coach should something pressurize the holding tank.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
> On May 26, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Richard via Gmclist wrote:
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> Air admittance valves are code compliant for most residential construction codes, but I'm not sure about installation in an RV, particularly on a
> black tank vent. A residential toilet has its own built in water seal that prevents sewer gases from rising through the toilet, an RV toilet does
> not. How an AAV would play with a ventless and trap-less toilet, I do not know, but it'd be a good idea to do your homework before cutting and
> removing the existing vent.
>
> Emery's solution of using radiator hose and hose clamps seems simplest and least likely to cause a stinky gotchya.
>
> While on the subject of venting and traps, Hepvo waterless traps should replace P-traps in all RVs at the first opportunity. Easy to install, frees
> up some room under the sinks, no need to winterize and gets rid of the tiny black flies that use the drains' trap water as a watering hole.
>
> Richard
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| Re: [GMCnet] Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355167 is a reply to message #355139] |
Tue, 26 May 2020 21:01 |
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I agree with what Les said. An AAV is a great idea IFF there's another vent for the system. I seem to recall that even in a house, if you have a septic system like some of us do, you need at least one actual unrestricted vent to atmosphere to prevent possible pressure build up. In an RV, I think it's good to have at least 2 vents on different side of the tank to ensure one of them is always above the liquid level. Still, I plan to replace the vent beside the refrigerator with an AAV some day, as it enters the tank at the same point as the rear vent (GMC wet-bath coach) does, and so is superfluous for tank venting. (It's just here to be sure the water seal is not sucked out of the sink P-trap, as code requires if said trap is over 4' from the main stack/vent.)
Also, some have questioned the proximity of a vent to the roof A/C. I know my 2 ancient Duo-Therms don't have any connection to draw in or exhaust outside air, and I suspect most roof A/Cs are the same, but I'm not an expert on newer models. Even without a direct air intake, many roof A/Cs aren't sealed all that well, so odor could be an issue.
Finally, in my previous comment about rain into an open pipe, I should have specified that I assumed that no water would be funneled off the roof into the vent. As JimK rightly pointed out, you want the pipe to "stand proud" (as the Brits would say) from the roof for 1/4" or so to properly seal it, and prevent funneling.
My .02, HTH
Rick Staples
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| Re: Flush mount black tank vent? [message #355171 is a reply to message #355079] |
Tue, 26 May 2020 22:10 |
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Yeah, I guess an air admittance valve would be a bad idea if it was on the only vent line. My GMC finished coach has two vents to roof. I have no idea what Hughes did.
Carl Stouffer
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