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Another new owner [message #354840] Mon, 18 May 2020 11:43 Go to next message
MarkR   United States
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Hello all,

I do have a question at the end if you want to skip the introduction.

I have been envious of GMC owners for about a decade. I had always thought they looked great from the time they were introduced, but then 10 years or so ago I struck up a conversation with someone knowledgeable about the motorhome and I was smitten. Two or three years ago another knowledgeable person clued me in on the airplane-like capability of GMCs to be upgraded and reborn good as new and I started searching. Got very serious about purchasing over last summer and had a couple of deals fall through (thankfully). Then I got lucky.

I purchased my new motorhome, the Portwagon, in Seattle right before Thanksgiving. I'm guessing some of you would recognize it and maybe knew the PO as well. I call my new land yacht the Portwagon because that's what the PO put on a very nice custom rear bumper mudflap and, as I understand it, changing the name of a boat is just plain bad luck. And I like the mudflap. Plus, the PO was meticulous. Super clean, total overhaul ten years ago, dutifully maintained and conscientiously documented. So I thought it appropriate to honor the PO that way. Anyway, the PO had passed away over the summer and unfortunately neither his widow nor his son could tell me much of anything about it (e.g. I still don't know how to turn on the backup camera). Unlabeled switches on the dash are a problem.

My first stop was a tire shop to put on 7 new Firestone Transforce tires. I had read the horror stories about old tires with lots of tread left on them.

(bonus question, the PO had installed 245s instead of 225s which were recommended to me. They had both and I went with what was already on there. Did I get the wrong tires, overpay for wider tires I don't need, or luck out with an upgrade? I know nothing about tires)

In a perfect world, I would've also had all the fluids, belts, hoses and brake pads changed before heading home for Thanksgiving back in PA. But the transaction took days instead of hours, i was getting a late start and there was a blizzard predicted to hit right as I was in the rockies. But I had confidence in the way the motorhome had been maintained and really had no choice but to cast off and go go go. Took me 5 days and about 2 gallons of power steering fluid -- a small leak the PO's son alerted me to turned into a larger leak every day. Had no time for repairs with a blizzard hot on my tail and my back in spasms from all that driving. Plus, I was fairly confident it was just a fitting or leaky hose (it was) since the PS worked just fine until the fluid was gone (which you don't notice so much on an interstate until you hit the exit ramp). I also drove all the way home with the air bags on hold even though i knew it was wrong when the PO's son told me that's what he did.

After I got the Portwagon home, I had it inspected and changed everything as described above and put it in barn storage for the winter. Only since April have I had the opportunity to put it in the driveway and go down every day to putter. These days, I call it the ADU (Alternate Dwelling Unit). Someday I may quarantine in it.

So, here's the question I promised. Reading your responses to Gurr's post and his issues with maybe a fuel pump makes me wonder about an infrequent issue with the Portwagon. Two or three times, seemingly when the engine didn't turn over immediately, it dumped some fuel. Where from I know not. The first time it happened I put it down to my forgetfulness -- I forgot it was upgraded to EFI and i pumped the pedal a few times. Not that that explained anything to me. But then it happened when I tried starting with a low battery, twice. Each time it happened, it quit dumping fuel pretty quickly, didn't continue leaking while driving or stopped, and then didn't happen again. ???

Here's what you should know about me. I am not a mechanic. Shade tree or otherwise. When I was a young man I changed the automatic transmission in a '77 Triumph TR7 all by myself. Well, myself and a Haynes manual. But any dummy like me can follow those clear, step-by-step directions. I also changed alternators, brake pads, starters, etc. but only after someone told me what the problem was. I can change parts but I'm really pretty clueless about how it all works. I envy you guys with real mechanical aptitude. And I'm eager to do as much work on my motorhome myself as is practical, but I'm also eager to find a local resource who has some familiarity with GMCs for the jobs beyond my capabilities. i'm not far from Ken Frey but he is retiring, Jim Bounds and Steve Rourke are pretty distant. Any referrals would be welcome.







The Portwagon, ex 1975 Eleganza II, Harrison quad bags, 6 wheel disk brakes, 455 w/EFI, serpentine belt, 3.7 final drive
Re: Another new owner [message #354848 is a reply to message #354840] Mon, 18 May 2020 16:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carl S. is currently offline  Carl S.   United States
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Mark,

Where, in PA, are you located?

I find myself in Central PA (Hershey area) every Fall visiting relatives. I have never driven the GMC there, yet, but plan to this Fall. Although I don't have any advice for you on a competent shop in that area, I would be happy to help out (as would anybody here) with any questions you might have, and even try to get together with you if convenient.

It sounds like you're on the right track. Download the service manuals at bdub.net and you should at least be able to work on it. Questions of the mechanical sort can be asked and answered here on the forum.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: Another new owner [message #354852 is a reply to message #354840] Mon, 18 May 2020 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MarkR   United States
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I’m very close to Hershey actually. I’ve heard of a rally nearby in early September, but I don’t really know any details yet. I’ve been invited to breakfast with a group of other owners once the coronas are all gone. Maybe I’ll find out more then.

The Portwagon, ex 1975 Eleganza II, Harrison quad bags, 6 wheel disk brakes, 455 w/EFI, serpentine belt, 3.7 final drive
Re: Another new owner [message #354859 is a reply to message #354840] Tue, 19 May 2020 07:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tilerpep is currently offline  Tilerpep   United States
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Ken Frey has a shop Quakertown about 1.5 hours from you (he is reducing/retiring of some form). Worth a call to see how he is working his business around corona era as well, but you should connect with him. Given your willing, but self admitted lack of "the experience eye", I would recommend you pay him for a full post purchase once over. Ask him if he will show you key locations and maintenance items as he brings it to a safe and up to date baseline of fluids, and safety check.

Welcome, these things are a learning curve like no other. But you said you can follow instructions - in the response a few days to Gurr we sent him to some links and manuals. Reading them when you can, instead of when needed is how you get your learning curve ahead of your maintenance curve!

Enjoy!


1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath Raleigh, NC
Re: Another new owner [message #354862 is a reply to message #354852] Tue, 19 May 2020 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Carl S. is currently offline  Carl S.   United States
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Okay, my wife's family is mostly in Northern Lebanon County near Fredericksburg and Jonestown. My family members are mostly in the town of Lebanon it's self.

There is another guy on here regularly from Central PA but I don't remember his name. Maybe he will show up.

If everything goes according to plan, we will be there in our coach in late September/early October for a few weeks after making a trip to Yellowstone, Rapid City, etc and across the northern US.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: Another new owner [message #354867 is a reply to message #354840] Tue, 19 May 2020 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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MarkR wrote on Mon, 18 May 2020 12:43
Hello all,

I do have a question at the end if you want to skip the introduction.
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My first stop was a tire shop to put on 7 new Firestone Transforce tires. I had read the horror stories about old tires with lots of tread left on them.
(bonus question, the PO had installed 245s instead of 225s which were recommended to me. They had both and I went with what was already on there. Did I get the wrong tires, overpay for wider tires I don't need, or luck out with an upgrade? I know nothing about tires)
<No problem there, some have reported interference at full lock, and some speedo error. They don't actually get you anything.>
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So, here's the question I promised. Reading your responses to Gurr's post and his issues with maybe a fuel pump makes me wonder about an infrequent issue with the Portwagon. Two or three times, seemingly when the engine didn't turn over immediately, it dumped some fuel. Where from I know not. The first time it happened I put it down to my forgetfulness -- I forgot it was upgraded to EFI and i pumped the pedal a few times. Not that that explained anything to me. But then it happened when I tried starting with a low battery, twice. Each time it happened, it quit dumping fuel pretty quickly, didn't continue leaking while driving or stopped, and then didn't happen again. ???

Here's what you should know about me. I am not a mechanic. Shade tree or otherwise. When I was a young man I changed the automatic transmission in a '77 Triumph TR7 all by myself. Well, myself and a Haynes manual. But any dummy like me can follow those clear, step-by-step directions. I also changed alternators, brake pads, starters, etc. but only after someone told me what the problem was. I can change parts but I'm really pretty clueless about how it all works. I envy you guys with real mechanical aptitude. And I'm eager to do as much work on my motorhome myself as is practical, but I'm also eager to find a local resource who has some familiarity with GMCs for the jobs beyond my capabilities. i'm not far from Ken Frey but he is retiring, Jim Bounds and Steve Rourke are pretty distant. Any referrals would be welcome.
Mark,

Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum....

First thing, FIX YOUR SIGFILE. You are obviously not stupid, you might be ignorant (I already have doubts about that). Stupid cannot be corrected.
Next about the sigfile, start with your name - we like to know who we are helping and it is more convenient when you meet other owners. Next, a short about the coach, we would like to know more because they are not all the same, and some mods matter a lot. You said it is EFI, but Whose? Last, a better geographic reference than Pennsylvania. Half of the readers get this as e-mail and never see the header.

As to ignorance (here he goes again), I hope you realize that having an IQ over 80 and being literate (you read the TR7 instructions) you are already ahead of most of the people you might get to pay to do things for PortWagon.

About your question: You say it was dumping fuel? Please provide as much more description as you can. Was it dumping into the engine or on the ground ? And you say you don't know where it was dumping from?

It is too bad that you did find us here before departure, you will learn why later. This is an amazing community that you have just become a part of. When you actually get to meet other owners, you will know this. These are supportive and helping people the likes of which you may find daunting. Take it for its face value. This is just one of the reasons you need a good sigfile. There are some that write here that have an amazing amount of GMC experience and they are ever so happy to share same with the hope of saving some other owner grief. To this end, you need to hook up with the local chapter. Ken can probably help you there.

The only other community that I know of that is this supportive is that of the watermen that are my world. For this reason, I welcome new owners here much as you would be welcomed there. So,

May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.

Welcome Mark

Matt


Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Re: Another new owner [message #354918 is a reply to message #354867] Wed, 20 May 2020 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
MarkR   United States
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Thanks Matt, the EFI is an Electromotive Tec GT and without diving into the archives I’m fairly certain it is about ten years old.

The first time, after sitting in the barn for a month with only a couple of starts, it dumped fuel onto the ground in a puddle the size of a dinette table top and continued to drip until I got underway. It seemed to come from a bit passenger side of center under the engine. This was the occurrence when I forgot and pumped the pedal. Drove straight to the garage that did my state inspection and the dripping had stopped and repeated restarts produced no fuel. All was well until I Started it with a weak charge on the battery and it did it again. Not nearly as much fuel and it quickly stopped dripping. Repeated that way once more, again with a hardish start. Otherwise, no issues.


The Portwagon, ex 1975 Eleganza II, Harrison quad bags, 6 wheel disk brakes, 455 w/EFI, serpentine belt, 3.7 final drive
Re: Another new owner [message #354920 is a reply to message #354918] Wed, 20 May 2020 18:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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MarkR wrote on Wed, 20 May 2020 17:15
Thanks Matt, the EFI is an Electromotive Tec GT and without diving into the archives I’m fairly certain it is about ten years old.

The first time, after sitting in the barn for a month with only a couple of starts, it dumped fuel onto the ground in a puddle the size of a dinette table top and continued to drip until I got underway. It seemed to come from a bit passenger side of center under the engine. This was the occurrence when I forgot and pumped the pedal. Drove straight to the garage that did my state inspection and the dripping had stopped and repeated restarts produced no fuel. All was well until I Started it with a weak charge on the battery and it did it again. Not nearly as much fuel and it quickly stopped dripping. Repeated that way once more, again with a hardish start. Otherwise, no issues.
Mark

Well, I sure don't have an answer for that. Actually, I just ran about an half a dozen scenarios though my brain and they all failed. The only one that is not dead is that you have loose connection or a split line that only leaks when the fuel pump in dead headed. Could happen, but I wouldn't bet my lunch on it.

Matt


Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Re: Another new owner [message #354924 is a reply to message #354920] Wed, 20 May 2020 21:44 Go to previous message
Carl S. is currently offline  Carl S.   United States
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If the fuel was coming from the right rear area of the engine, I would suggest that it's coming from the charcoal canister on the right front of the firewall. Maybe the liquid/vapor separator in the Left rear wheel well is letting liquid fuel through the vent line to the canister.

Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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