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I am replacing my fuel lines and am looking to mount some combination of electric fuel pump(s) and/or switch on the outside of the frame. Lots of options and opinions on the best setup. Ill sort through that later...

For now, I'm juts looking for a spot to get the lines over or through the frame. Under is not an option for obvious reasons. Any help on the matter is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Shawn


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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352383 is a reply to message #352382] Tue, 25 February 2020 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On my '75 coach, there is a cut-out in the floor insulation just in front of the left mid wheel for the propane line (I think).

There was enough space for me to snake both fuel lines from the tanks through there. The other option I was thinking of was to cut a notch out of the insulation further up, along the frame, but since I had room farther back, I just used the existing one.


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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352385 is a reply to message #352382] Tue, 25 February 2020 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had the same issue, compounded by a full-length body pad that I'd have to clear for the fuel lines. I assume you want them on the outside of the frame for ease of maintenance. I wanted to mount two sets of filter/fuel pumps using an in-line filter and pump.

I ended up mounting the pump/filter combination on two 3/16" plates (one for each set) wide enough to capture the 'U' clamps that would hold down the filter and pumps, plus the width of the bottom of the frame rail and long enough for both, plus the short rubber nipple in between, plus a couple inches. About a foot long and 6" wide.

These were drilled for 1/4 bolts and nuts that fastened the filter and pump, and tapped for two 1/4" bolts that pass through the bottom flange of the frame rail and screw into the plate. The filter and pump were mounted facing up so that the plate provides debris protection from below.

I left some slack in the fuel lines, so accessing the filter and pump while laying on the ground next to the coach on the side of the road means...

Removing the two 1/4" mounting bolts, lowering the plate/filter/pump assembly and twisting it a little so that the filter/pump faced outward, hanging on the fuel lines. The filter, pump, mounting clamps, and fuel hose clamps were right in front of me and easily reachable.

Here is a repeat of this post WITH PHOTOS on the gmcmhforum


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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352387 is a reply to message #352383] Tue, 25 February 2020 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Carl S. wrote on Tue, 25 February 2020 13:31
On my '75 coach, there is a cut-out in the floor insulation just in front of the left mid wheel for the propane line (I think).

There was enough space for me to snake both fuel lines from the tanks through there. The other option I was thinking of was to cut a notch out of the insulation further up, along the frame, but since I had room farther back, I just used the existing one.

Thanks Carl. Sounds like you are talking about the holes in the cross beam. They will be run through there. It's getting from the inside if the frame rail to the outside that I am trying to accomplish.


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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352388 is a reply to message #352385] Tue, 25 February 2020 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bill Van Vlack wrote on Tue, 25 February 2020 14:17
I had the same issue, compounded by a full-length body pad that I'd have to clear for the fuel lines. I assume you want them on the outside of the frame for ease of maintenance. I wanted to mount two sets of filter/fuel pumps using an in-line filter and pump.

I ended up mounting the pump/filter combination on two 3/16" plates (one for each set) wide enough to capture the 'U' clamps that would hold down the filter and pumps, plus the width of the bottom of the frame rail and long enough for both, plus the short rubber nipple in between, plus a couple inches. About a foot long and 6" wide.

These were drilled for 1/4 bolts and nuts that fastened the filter and pump, and tapped for two 1/4" bolts that pass through the bottom flange of the frame rail and screw into the plate. The filter and pump were mounted facing up so that the plate provides debris protection from below.

I left some slack in the fuel lines, so accessing the filter and pump while laying on the ground next to the coach on the side of the road means...

Removing the two 1/4" mounting bolts, lowering the plate/filter/pump assembly and twisting it a little so that the filter/pump faced outward, hanging on the fuel lines. The filter, pump, mounting clamps, and fuel hose clamps were right in front of me and easily reachable.

Here is a repeat of this post WITH PHOTOS on the gmcmhforum
Thanks Bill. The more I stare at it the more i think something like this might be the best option. I know Jim K was selling a plate that went on the outside of the frame so there is obviously a way to accomplish the task. Just not sure how...


Shawn Harris North Vancouver, Canada 1977 Palm Beach 403
Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352392 is a reply to message #352388] Tue, 25 February 2020 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Generally, there are body pads spaced along the top of the frame that give abt 1/2" of clearance between the frame and body where fuel lines can pass except where there are pads. With full length body pads like I have, there have to be channels cut through them for the fuel lines to pass. Many body pads have crushed, so that space becomes much smaller.

Bill Van Vlack '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid November 2015.
Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352394 is a reply to message #352382] Tue, 25 February 2020 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Right. Mine has the short pads, about 3/8 thick. There is physically enough room to get the hoses through but they wold be compressed a bit and that's without floors or literally any weight on those pads. I don't want to risk restriction issues. I've seen a few options similar to yours after poking around a bit more. I'll sort something out. Thanks for the help.

Shawn Harris North Vancouver, Canada 1977 Palm Beach 403

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Green machine wrote on Tue, 25 February 2020 16:02
Carl S. wrote on Tue, 25 February 2020 13:31
On my '75 coach, there is a cut-out in the floor insulation just in front of the left mid wheel for the propane line (I think).

There was enough space for me to snake both fuel lines from the tanks through there. The other option I was thinking of was to cut a notch out of the insulation further up, along the frame, but since I had room farther back, I just used the existing one.
Thanks Carl. Sounds like you are talking about the holes in the cross beam. They will be run through there. It's getting from the inside if the frame rail to the outside that I am trying to accomplish.
No, I'm talking about the main frame rail. I ran my fuel lines to the outside of my frame through the notch in the insulation above the frame. I also have full length frame pads.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/mechanical/p66489-fuel-filter-and-pump-on-outside-of-frame.html


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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352407 is a reply to message #352382] Wed, 26 February 2020 07:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Carl. Thats look pretty much exactly like what I'm trying to accomplish. You must have more room between the frame and body then i do. Did you move the emergency brake cable somewhere else? Also, did you run the lines back over the frame again to bring it back inside the frame rail after the selector valve?

Shawn Harris North Vancouver, Canada 1977 Palm Beach 403
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Both my coaches had the lines in the original location. With electric pumps vapor lock went away. Getting smacked in the side is a common accident around here from distracted drivers running lights and stop signs. Consequently, I don't want the fuel lines outside the frame.

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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352420 is a reply to message #352410] Wed, 26 February 2020 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 26 February 2020 08:09
Both my coaches had the lines in the original location. With electric pumps vapor lock went away. Getting smacked in the side is a common accident around here from distracted drivers running lights and stop signs. Consequently, I don't want the fuel lines outside the frame.

--johnny
Thanks Johnny. Fair point. I will keep that in mind.


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Re: Fuel line routing question [message #352421 is a reply to message #352407] Wed, 26 February 2020 12:16 Go to previous message
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Green machine wrote on Wed, 26 February 2020 06:35
Thanks Carl. Thats look pretty much exactly like what I'm trying to accomplish. You must have more room between the frame and body then i do. Did you move the emergency brake cable somewhere else? Also, did you run the lines back over the frame again to bring it back inside the frame rail after the selector valve?
I really don't have much room between the frame and body, probably only about 3/8 of an inch. But the insulation is thick enough that, with a piece of it cut out, there was plenty of room for the lines to go over the frame.

I have the reaction arm disc brakes in the back, so (good or bad) the emergency brake and all cabling for it has been eliminated in favor of a hydraulic line lock. So all that stuff is out of the way. The selector valve is also on the outside of the frame along with the hoses all the way to the front steel line.


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