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Sun, 26 January 2020 16:53  |
fbhtxak
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Caution on the rate base impact from committing to "renewables"...
Ref. Georgetown, TX "experiment" with renewable energy
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/green-new-deal-preview-texas-town-environmen
talism-chuck-devore Similarly reported by other major news networks, WSJ,
Forbes, Fortune, etc.
Georgetown residents (I know some of them) are irate over the incremental
power costs they are incurring as a result of the "green" deal their
politicians made for them.
Fred Hudspeth
Fred Hudspeth
1978 Royale (TZE 368V101335) - Tyler, TX
1982 Airstream Excella (motorhome) - Cooper Landing, Alaska
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:16:07 -0500
From: Ken Henderson
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Georgia Power Co.
GA Power has GA all locked up for alternate power sources as shown here:
https://www.solarpowerrocks.com/2015-solar-power-state-rankings/#georgi
a
They pay so little for excess that it's really not a worthwhile investment
for a home owner. There's been a law passed since then that supposedly
improves the situation, but apparently not very much.
My daughter & SIL recently bought a vacation home on Lake Oconee. The PO
was a survivalist and had spent a LOT of money on a solar installation: A
30'x90' (WAG) "pole barn" with only solar panels for a roof. 10kW, IIRC.
Then, he added another set of inverter/chargers and a BIG battery bank in
the garage for backup during power outages and to hopefully sell back to GA
Power. A total system cost, they were told, of about $60k -- several years
ago. The installer, of course, gave him very optimistic estimates of his
power bills. NOPE! Hardly any impact at all because of GA Power's lock on
the legislature.
My SIL is not very technically oriented, so I doubt the long term viability
of that investment (which they really didn't make; the whole place cost
didn't reflect that addition). I remind him continually that those
batteries need to be serviced frequently.
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles [message #351766 is a reply to message #351763] |
Sun, 26 January 2020 23:05  |
johnd01
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Ken,
GA residential average rate of 11.17 cents/kWh is so low that it would be
challenging to build a solar solution that would be less costly than just
paying the utility.
Solar farms are a lot more cost-effective than putting solar on rooftops. I
would trade places with you in a heartbeat as far as solar is concerned.
If anything, CA's solar friendly push has raised the average cost of
electricity in CA by about 50%.
Going green is not cheap.
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 2:53 PM Fred Hudspeth via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Caution on the rate base impact from committing to "renewables"...
>
> Ref. Georgetown, TX "experiment" with renewable energy
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/green-new-deal-preview-texas-town-environmen
> talism-chuck-devore
>
> Similarly reported by other major news networks, WSJ,
> Forbes, Fortune, etc.
>
>
> Georgetown residents (I know some of them) are irate over the incremental
> power costs they are incurring as a result of the "green" deal their
> politicians made for them.
>
> Fred Hudspeth
>
>
> Fred Hudspeth
> 1978 Royale (TZE 368V101335) - Tyler, TX
> 1982 Airstream Excella (motorhome) - Cooper Landing, Alaska
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> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:16:07 -0500
> From: Ken Henderson
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles
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> Georgia Power Co.
>
> GA Power has GA all locked up for alternate power sources as shown here:
> https://www.solarpowerrocks.com/2015-solar-power-state-rankings/#georgi
> > a
> They pay so little for excess that it's really not a worthwhile investment
> for a home owner. There's been a law passed since then that supposedly
> improves the situation, but apparently not very much.
>
> My daughter & SIL recently bought a vacation home on Lake Oconee. The PO
> was a survivalist and had spent a LOT of money on a solar installation: A
> 30'x90' (WAG) "pole barn" with only solar panels for a roof. 10kW, IIRC.
> Then, he added another set of inverter/chargers and a BIG battery bank in
> the garage for backup during power outages and to hopefully sell back to GA
> Power. A total system cost, they were told, of about $60k -- several years
> ago. The installer, of course, gave him very optimistic estimates of his
> power bills. NOPE! Hardly any impact at all because of GA Power's lock on
> the legislature.
>
> My SIL is not very technically oriented, so I doubt the long term viability
> of that investment (which they really didn't make; the whole place cost
> didn't reflect that addition). I remind him continually that those
> batteries need to be serviced frequently.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles [message #351768 is a reply to message #351766] |
Mon, 27 January 2020 05:40 |
Ken Henderson
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John,
You're probably right. With the low basic rate, the wholesale rate GA
Power pays "buy back" is simply too cheap to go far toward the high cost
the PO paid for the installation.
I don't know what the lake house electric bill runs; I should compare it to
ours here, 'though it won't be very meaningful since the lake house is used
mostly weekends. Also, my SIL likes it warm in summer and cold in winter
instead of my opposite preferences. They probably never see the $500 bills
we sometimes have! :-(
Ken H.
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:06 AM John Phillips via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Ken,
> GA residential average rate of 11.17 cents/kWh is so low that it would be
> challenging to build a solar solution that would be less costly than just
> paying the utility.
> Solar farms are a lot more cost-effective than putting solar on rooftops. I
> would trade places with you in a heartbeat as far as solar is concerned.
> If anything, CA's solar friendly push has raised the average cost of
> electricity in CA by about 50%.
> Going green is not cheap.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 2:53 PM Fred Hudspeth via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Caution on the rate base impact from committing to "renewables"...
>>
>> Ref. Georgetown, TX "experiment" with renewable energy
>>
>>
> https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/green-new-deal-preview-texas-town-environmen
>> talism-chuck-devore
>> https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/green-new-deal-preview-texas-town-environmentalism-chuck-devore
>>
>> Similarly reported by other major news networks, WSJ,
>> Forbes, Fortune, etc.
>>
>>
>> Georgetown residents (I know some of them) are irate over the incremental
>> power costs they are incurring as a result of the "green" deal their
>> politicians made for them.
>>
>> Fred Hudspeth
>>
>>
>> Fred Hudspeth
>> 1978 Royale (TZE 368V101335) - Tyler, TX
>> 1982 Airstream Excella (motorhome) - Cooper Landing, Alaska
>>
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>> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2020 13:16:07 -0500
>> From: Ken Henderson
>> To: GMC Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles
>> Message-ID:
>> > CANsh1i0KNuhDaM6jMCRj8igD8eGC8Kf-CZEe5sLqJfa5hnv+0A@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>> Georgia Power Co.
>>
>> GA Power has GA all locked up for alternate power sources as shown here:
>> https://www.solarpowerrocks.com/2015-solar-power-state-rankings/#georgi
>> https://www.solarpowerrocks.com/2015-solar-power-state-rankings/#georgia
>>> a
>> They pay so little for excess that it's really not a worthwhile
> investment
>> for a home owner. There's been a law passed since then that supposedly
>> improves the situation, but apparently not very much.
>>
>> My daughter & SIL recently bought a vacation home on Lake Oconee. The PO
>> was a survivalist and had spent a LOT of money on a solar installation:
> A
>> 30'x90' (WAG) "pole barn" with only solar panels for a roof. 10kW, IIRC.
>> Then, he added another set of inverter/chargers and a BIG battery bank in
>> the garage for backup during power outages and to hopefully sell back to
> GA
>> Power. A total system cost, they were told, of about $60k -- several
> years
>> ago. The installer, of course, gave him very optimistic estimates of his
>> power bills. NOPE! Hardly any impact at all because of GA Power's lock
> on
>> the legislature.
>>
>> My SIL is not very technically oriented, so I doubt the long term
> viability
>> of that investment (which they really didn't make; the whole place cost
>> didn't reflect that addition). I remind him continually that those
>> batteries need to be serviced frequently.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles [message #351779 is a reply to message #351763] |
Wed, 29 January 2020 08:03 |
jhbridges
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Ken, is your place all electric? We do everything we can on gas and buy electricity from Jackson EMC at a bit less than Ga Power. I did get caught last month in the screwing Scana Energy runs - a dollar thirty four a therm. Swpa to Ga Natural Gas and levelled billing, works out to about 32 - 33 cents a therm. We even dry clothes with gas.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles [message #351788 is a reply to message #351779] |
Wed, 29 January 2020 17:41 |
Ken Henderson
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Johnny,
We're "mostly" electric -- only the two full baths use gas to heat water.
The rest of the house is heated/cooled by two heat pumps. With about 3000
sf, plus me keeping the workshop comfortable any time I'm working in or
near there we probably earn the high bills. My usual refusal to sleep
under covers means we can't turn the heat down much at night too. :-(
Ken H.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:04 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Ken, is your place all electric? We do everything we can on gas and buy
> electricity from Jackson EMC at a bit less than Ga Power. I did get caught
> last month in the screwing Scana Energy runs - a dollar thirty four a
> therm. Swpa to Ga Natural Gas and levelled billing, works out to about 32
> - 33
> cents a therm. We even dry clothes with gas.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles [message #351792 is a reply to message #351763] |
Thu, 30 January 2020 07:43 |
jhbridges
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We keep the place at 73 around the clock - Paula refuses to cool down at night. It's ~~ 2/3rds the space of yours, and my shop ~~half the size of yours - isn't heated. Heat pumps up here need to run the heat strips one or two days a year, you probably don't need them. If my GMC would fit, I'd heat the shop, it's plumbed for gas and has a space heater which is turned off at the house. If I get the brakes complete and start in on some upgrades to the ratrod toad, I'll heat the shop - it will fit in.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Electric Vehicles [message #351801 is a reply to message #351763] |
Fri, 31 January 2020 07:42 |
jhbridges
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Like I said earlier, there's a reason I turned down a fairly lucrative job with the CBC some decades ago 
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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