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Rich Kinas is currently offline  Rich Kinas   United States
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All,

I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt both upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new polyurethane bushings, they look really nice). Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch" once in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on replacing. So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended bearing (correct?). How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if the "set" has one or two bearings in it. Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?

Thanks All

Rich


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Re: Front Wheel bearings [message #350487 is a reply to message #350486] Thu, 05 December 2019 07:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rich Kinas wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 07:17
All,

I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt both upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new polyurethane bushings, they look really nice).

Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch" once in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on replacing.

So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended bearing (correct?).
How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if the "set" has one or two bearings in it.

Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?

Thanks All

Rich
Rich,

Answering questions is why most of us are here. (The others here and some of the same are here to ask.)

The "catch" maybe either foreign material in the bearing or that one of the races has come out of line. It does not take much, but this sure it the time to fix it. It either outer race comes out easily, come back here for advice. They should not be loose in the knuckle.

The Timken set 23 is two roller bearing assemblies and a spacer. (There is one set per side.) That spacer used to be set specific, but they processes have been improved so much that I am told it not longer is. But keep the parts in order as received just to be sure.

There were several bearing puller sets available on loan, but I never paid much attention to who and where because I expect I won't need them.
Arrange to borrow a tool set. I have seen this job done with standard tools and it is very difficult.

Also, while you have things apart, borrow the jig and drills to put a grease Zerk in the hub. That way future greasing can be done without removing the bearing. You will have to do some modification to the spacer mentioned above, and that can be difficult as Timken now hardens that piece.

Glad to see that you are staying up on the coach's maintenance. This will reward you with miles of pleasant touring.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350491 is a reply to message #350487] Thu, 05 December 2019 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why don’t you call me so I can guide you.
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 5:29 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Rich Kinas wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 07:17
>> All,
>>
>> I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself
> but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt both
>> upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new
> polyurethane bushings, they look really nice).
>>
>> Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and
> drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch"
> once
>> in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on replacing.
>>
>> So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended
> bearing (correct?).
>> How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if
> the "set" has one or two bearings in it.
>>
>> Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect
> anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?
>>
>> Thanks All
>>
>> Rich
>
> Rich,
>
> Answering questions is why most of us are here. (The others here and some
> of the same are here to ask.)
>
> The "catch" maybe either foreign material in the bearing or that one of
> the races has come out of line. It does not take much, but this sure it the
> time to fix it. It either outer race comes out easily, come back here for
> advice. They should not be loose in the knuckle.
>
> The Timken set 23 is two roller bearing assemblies and a spacer. (There
> is one set per side.) That spacer used to be set specific, but they
> processes have been improved so much that I am told it not longer is. But
> keep the parts in order as received just to be sure.
>
> There were several bearing puller sets available on loan, but I never paid
> much attention to who and where because I expect I won't need them.
> Arrange to borrow a tool set. I have seen this job done with standard
> tools and it is very difficult.
>
> Also, while you have things apart, borrow the jig and drills to put a
> grease Zerk in the hub. That way future greasing can be done without
> removing
> the bearing. You will have to do some modification to the spacer
> mentioned above, and that can be difficult as Timken now hardens that piece.
>
> Glad to see that you are staying up on the coach's maintenance. This will
> reward you with miles of pleasant touring.
>
> Matt
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350492 is a reply to message #350486] Thu, 05 December 2019 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:24 AM Rich Kinas via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself but
> sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt both
> upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new polyurethane
> bushings, they look really nice). Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put
> the hubs on my bench and drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns
> ok except for a "catch" once in a while, feels like something is amiss so
> was planning on replacing. So here is my question, I know that Timken
> Set23 is the recommended bearing (correct?). How many do I need to order? 2
> or
> 4? Cant really tell from pictures if the "set" has one or two bearings in
> it. Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect
> anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?
>
> Thanks All
>
> Rich
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> Orlando, FL
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Re: Front Wheel bearings [message #350494 is a reply to message #350487] Thu, 05 December 2019 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 08:28
Rich Kinas wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 07:17
All,

I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt both upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new polyurethane bushings, they look really nice).

Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch" once in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on replacing.

So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended bearing (correct?).
How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if the "set" has one or two bearings in it.

Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?

Thanks All

Rich
Rich,

Answering questions is why most of us are here. (The others here and some of the same are here to ask.)

The "catch" maybe either foreign material in the bearing or that one of the races has come out of line. It does not take much, but this sure it the time to fix it. It either outer race comes out easily, come back here for advice. They should not be loose in the knuckle.

The Timken set 23 is two roller bearing assemblies and a spacer. (There is one set per side.) That spacer used to be set specific, but they processes have been improved so much that I am told it not longer is. But keep the parts in order as received just to be sure.

There were several bearing puller sets available on loan, but I never paid much attention to who and where because I expect I won't need them.
Arrange to borrow a tool set. I have seen this job done with standard tools and it is very difficult.

Also, while you have things apart, borrow the jig and drills to put a grease Zerk in the hub. That way future greasing can be done without removing the bearing. You will have to do some modification to the spacer mentioned above, and that can be difficult as Timken now hardens that piece.

Glad to see that you are staying up on the coach's maintenance. This will reward you with miles of pleasant touring.

Matt
Matt dont you mean that "Set 23" is one bearing and one cone (or outer race) plus spacer per box....meaning a quatity of 4 boxes is needed so four sets.....2 per side = one inner and one outer set on each hub.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350495 is a reply to message #350494] Thu, 05 December 2019 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tonka6cuda6,
Matt is correct in that it comes in a set of two bearings and one spacer.
The spacer is required between the two bearings so as to set the correct
pre-load. That is why it is called a set.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:43 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 08:28
>> Rich Kinas wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 07:17
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself
> but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt
>>> both upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new
> polyurethane bushings, they look really nice).
>>>
>>> Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and
> drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch"
>>> once in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on
> replacing.
>>>
>>> So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended
> bearing (correct?).
>>> How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if
> the "set" has one or two bearings in it.
>>>
>>> Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect
> anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?
>>>
>>> Thanks All
>>>
>>> Rich
>>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Answering questions is why most of us are here. (The others here and
> some of the same are here to ask.)
>>
>> The "catch" maybe either foreign material in the bearing or that one of
> the races has come out of line. It does not take much, but this sure it
>> the time to fix it. It either outer race comes out easily, come back
> here for advice. They should not be loose in the knuckle.
>>
>> The Timken set 23 is two roller bearing assemblies and a spacer. (There
> is one set per side.) That spacer used to be set specific, but they
>> processes have been improved so much that I am told it not longer is.
> But keep the parts in order as received just to be sure.
>>
>> There were several bearing puller sets available on loan, but I never
> paid much attention to who and where because I expect I won't need them.
>> Arrange to borrow a tool set. I have seen this job done with standard
> tools and it is very difficult.
>>
>> Also, while you have things apart, borrow the jig and drills to put a
> grease Zerk in the hub. That way future greasing can be done without
>> removing the bearing. You will have to do some modification to the
> spacer mentioned above, and that can be difficult as Timken now hardens that
>> piece.
>>
>> Glad to see that you are staying up on the coach's maintenance. This
> will reward you with miles of pleasant touring.
>>
>> Matt
>
> Matt dont you mean that "Set 23" is one bearing and one cone (or outer
> race) plus spacer per box....meaning a quatity of 4 boxes is needed so four
> sets.....2 per side = one inner and one outer set on each hub.
>
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>
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>
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350498 is a reply to message #350495] Thu, 05 December 2019 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Usually a "set" means you get a matched bearing and race.... not 2 bearings and 2 races. If you order rear bearings for the hubs they do not come as a set so you have to order the 4 pieces ie: inner and outer bearings and then the races that fit those bearings per hub. So a front wheel bearing job would requires Timken "set 23" x4 and the rears require inner races x4, inner bearings x4, outer races x4 and outer bearings x4.....total 12 pieces....no?


Bruce Hart wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 17:19
Tonka6cuda6,
Matt is correct in that it comes in a set of two bearings and one spacer.
The spacer is required between the two bearings so as to set the correct
pre-load. That is why it is called a set.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:43 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 08:28
>> Rich Kinas wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 07:17
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself
> but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt
>>> both upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new
> polyurethane bushings, they look really nice).
>>>
>>> Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and
> drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch"
>>> once in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on
> replacing.
>>>
>>> So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended
> bearing (correct?).
>>> How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if
> the "set" has one or two bearings in it.
>>>
>>> Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect
> anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?
>>>
>>> Thanks All
>>>
>>> Rich
>>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Answering questions is why most of us are here. (The others here and
> some of the same are here to ask.)
>>
>> The "catch" maybe either foreign material in the bearing or that one of
> the races has come out of line. It does not take much, but this sure it
>> the time to fix it. It either outer race comes out easily, come back
> here for advice. They should not be loose in the knuckle.
>>
>> The Timken set 23 is two roller bearing assemblies and a spacer. (There
> is one set per side.) That spacer used to be set specific, but they
>> processes have been improved so much that I am told it not longer is.
> But keep the parts in order as received just to be sure.
>>
>> There were several bearing puller sets available on loan, but I never
> paid much attention to who and where because I expect I won't need them.
>> Arrange to borrow a tool set. I have seen this job done with standard
> tools and it is very difficult.
>>
>> Also, while you have things apart, borrow the jig and drills to put a
> grease Zerk in the hub. That way future greasing can be done without
>> removing the bearing. You will have to do some modification to the
> spacer mentioned above, and that can be difficult as Timken now hardens that
>> piece.
>>
>> Glad to see that you are staying up on the coach's maintenance. This
> will reward you with miles of pleasant touring.
>>
>> Matt
>
> Matt dont you mean that "Set 23" is one bearing and one cone (or outer
> race) plus spacer per box....meaning a quatity of 4 boxes is needed so four
> sets.....2 per side = one inner and one outer set on each hub.
>
> --
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>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
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Re: Front Wheel bearings [message #350500 is a reply to message #350486] Thu, 05 December 2019 17:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So this is what you get in the box plus the spacer....    "bearing SET23-LM104949E/LM104911 bearing"

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350501 is a reply to message #350498] Thu, 05 December 2019 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No. The Set 23 includes 2 wheel bearings and the spacer. So you only need two sets to d o the front of the GMC Motorhome. You are correct n the rears.

Emery Stora


> On Dec 5, 2019, at 4:10 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Usually a "set" means you get a matched bearing and race.... not 2 bearings and 2 races. If you order rear bearings for the hubs they do not come as a
> set so you have to order the 4 pieces ie: inner and outer bearings and then the races that fit those bearings per hub. So a front wheel bearing job
> would requires Timken "set 23" x4 and the rears require inner races x4, inner bearings x4, outer races x4 and outer bearings x4.....total 12
> pieces....no?
>
>
> Bruce Hart wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 17:19
>> Tonka6cuda6,
>> Matt is correct in that it comes in a set of two bearings and one spacer.
>> The spacer is required between the two bearings so as to set the correct
>> pre-load. That is why it is called a set.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:43 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 08:28
>>>> Rich Kinas wrote on Thu, 05 December 2019 07:17
>>>> > All,
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself
>>> but sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt
>>>> > both upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new
>>> polyurethane bushings, they look really nice).
>>>> >
>>>> > Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but put the hubs on my bench and
>>> drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns ok except for a "catch"
>>>> > once in a while, feels like something is amiss so was planning on
>>> replacing.
>>>> >
>>>> > So here is my question, I know that Timken Set23 is the recommended
>>> bearing (correct?).
>>>> > How many do I need to order? 2 or 4? Cant really tell from pictures if
>>> the "set" has one or two bearings in it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in affect
>>> anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks All
>>>> >
>>>> > Rich
>>>>
>>>> Rich,
>>>>
>>>> Answering questions is why most of us are here. (The others here and
>>> some of the same are here to ask.)
>>>>
>>>> The "catch" maybe either foreign material in the bearing or that one of
>>> the races has come out of line. It does not take much, but this sure it
>>>> the time to fix it. It either outer race comes out easily, come back
>>> here for advice. They should not be loose in the knuckle.
>>>>
>>>> The Timken set 23 is two roller bearing assemblies and a spacer. (There
>>> is one set per side.) That spacer used to be set specific, but they
>>>> processes have been improved so much that I am told it not longer is.
>>> But keep the parts in order as received just to be sure.
>>>>
>>>> There were several bearing puller sets available on loan, but I never
>>> paid much attention to who and where because I expect I won't need them.
>>>> Arrange to borrow a tool set. I have seen this job done with standard
>>> tools and it is very difficult.
>>>>
>>>> Also, while you have things apart, borrow the jig and drills to put a
>>> grease Zerk in the hub. That way future greasing can be done without
>>>> removing the bearing. You will have to do some modification to the
>>> spacer mentioned above, and that can be difficult as Timken now hardens that
>>>> piece.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to see that you are staying up on the coach's maintenance. This
>>> will reward you with miles of pleasant touring.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>
>>> Matt dont you mean that "Set 23" is one bearing and one cone (or outer
>>> race) plus spacer per box....meaning a quatity of 4 boxes is needed so four
>>> sets.....2 per side = one inner and one outer set on each hub.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich Mondor,
>>>
>>> Brockville, ON
>>>
>>> 77 Hughes 2600
>>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350502 is a reply to message #350500] Thu, 05 December 2019 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 5, 2019, at 6:29 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:

> So this is what you get in the box plus the spacer.... "bearing SET23-LM104949E/LM104911 bearing”

In Set-23 you get:

2 cups
2 cones
1 spacer

These are manufactured and QC'd _as a set_ and meant to be used _as a set_ in order to maintain the proper bearing clearance after assembly. Absolutely do not mix and match the cones and the cups within the set and by all means do NOT buy your own cups and cones individually and try to use an old spacer ring with them. My PO tried this in order to save money and ended up making it less than 100 miles before the bearing seized up and destroyed both the knuckle and the spindle on the driver’s side.

As Emery and others have pointed out you need qty two of Set23 to do both front wheels.

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1977 Royale
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Re: Front Wheel bearings [message #350503 is a reply to message #350486] Thu, 05 December 2019 18:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for clearing it up guys....depending on what site/catalogs etc its not very well defined.

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350504 is a reply to message #350502] Thu, 05 December 2019 18:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, oe need to check the bearing clearance once it is pressed on the hub.
Sometimes the hub is little larger and it will eat up the pre set clearance.
Like I said, call me and I can assist you, no obligation to purchase and it
will save you lot of problems.
The way we do the knuckle and hub assembly, we warranty it for 80 to
100,000 miles without adding grease.
I learned this back in 1984.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 3:54 PM Jim Miller via Gmclist <
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> On Dec 5, 2019, at 6:29 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> So this is what you get in the box plus the spacer.... "bearing
> SET23-LM104949E/LM104911 bearing”
>
> In Set-23 you get:
>
> 2 cups
> 2 cones
> 1 spacer
>
> These are manufactured and QC'd _as a set_ and meant to be used _as a set_
> in order to maintain the proper bearing clearance after assembly.
> Absolutely do not mix and match the cones and the cups within the set and
> by all means do NOT buy your own cups and cones individually and try to use
> an old spacer ring with them. My PO tried this in order to save money and
> ended up making it less than 100 miles before the bearing seized up and
> destroyed both the knuckle and the spindle on the driver’s side.
>
> As Emery and others have pointed out you need qty two of Set23 to do both
> front wheels.
>
> Jim Miller
> 1977 Eleganza
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350505 is a reply to message #350504] Thu, 05 December 2019 18:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bruce Hart is currently offline  Bruce Hart   United States
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Here is a photo of a Wallace hub that shows the break down of the bearings
used. Wallace hubs was a modification that added a third bearing to the
hub and knuckle. The left center photo shows the components in sequence

http://www.bdub.net/publications/Wallace_Bearings/Wallace_Bearings1.htm

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 5:24 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Also, oe need to check the bearing clearance once it is pressed on the hub.
> Sometimes the hub is little larger and it will eat up the pre set
> clearance.
> Like I said, call me and I can assist you, no obligation to purchase and it
> will save you lot of problems.
> The way we do the knuckle and hub assembly, we warranty it for 80 to
> 100,000 miles without adding grease.
> I learned this back in 1984.
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 3:54 PM Jim Miller via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 5, 2019, at 6:29 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So this is what you get in the box plus the spacer.... "bearing
>> SET23-LM104949E/LM104911 bearing”
>>
>> In Set-23 you get:
>>
>> 2 cups
>> 2 cones
>> 1 spacer
>>
>> These are manufactured and QC'd _as a set_ and meant to be used _as a
> set_
>> in order to maintain the proper bearing clearance after assembly.
>> Absolutely do not mix and match the cones and the cups within the set and
>> by all means do NOT buy your own cups and cones individually and try to
> use
>> an old spacer ring with them. My PO tried this in order to save money and
>> ended up making it less than 100 miles before the bearing seized up and
>> destroyed both the knuckle and the spindle on the driver’s side.
>>
>> As Emery and others have pointed out you need qty two of Set23 to do both
>> front wheels.
>>
>> Jim Miller
>> 1977 Eleganza
>> 1977 Royale
>> Hamilton, OH
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Re: Front Wheel bearings [message #350512 is a reply to message #350486] Fri, 06 December 2019 05:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bobby5832708 is currently offline  bobby5832708   United States
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Rich,

I see from your signature that you are in Orlando. If you want to bring your hubs/knuckles to Winter Springs I've got a Jim K bearing tool that I've used a few times. I don't loan my tools out (I usually learn from my mistakes) but you can use the bearing puller here in my garage or I can change the bearings for you, doesn't matter to me.

I will be at the GMC Sunshine Statesmen rally in Clermont this weekend so there may be a delay replying.








Bob Heller
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Winter Springs FL
Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350513 is a reply to message #350512] Fri, 06 December 2019 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Kinas is currently offline  Rich Kinas   United States
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Bob,

Thank you for your generous offer, Winter Springs is really close and I
love seeing others coaches and talking to them as well. I have ordered the
bearings but they have not yet arrived. I will also order today the double
seal from Jim K. Once they are in I'll shoot you an email and well see if
we can setup some time. I was planning on making it to the Clermont and
still may, but I have a funeral to attend on Saturday and you never know
with these things. Thanks again.

Rich

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 6:19 AM Bob Heller via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> I see from your signature that you are in Orlando. If you want to bring
> your hubs/knuckles to Winter Springs I've got a Jim K bearing tool that I've
> used a few times. I don't loan my tools out (I usually learn from my
> mistakes) but you can use the bearing puller here in my garage or I can
> change
> the bearings for you, doesn't matter to me.
>
> I will be at the GMC Sunshine Statesmen rally in Clermont this weekend so
> there may be a delay replying.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> 1974 X-Canyonlands 26ft
> Original 455 except for timing chain, Rockwell intake, valve covers.
> Ferrara air bags. 147k miles.
> Winter Springs FL
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350514 is a reply to message #350504] Fri, 06 December 2019 05:54 Go to previous message
Rich Kinas is currently offline  Rich Kinas   United States
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Thanks Jim.

I'll give you a call some time today it you have a few minutes.

Rich

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 7:24 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Also, oe need to check the bearing clearance once it is pressed on the hub.
> Sometimes the hub is little larger and it will eat up the pre set
> clearance.
> Like I said, call me and I can assist you, no obligation to purchase and it
> will save you lot of problems.
> The way we do the knuckle and hub assembly, we warranty it for 80 to
> 100,000 miles without adding grease.
> I learned this back in 1984.
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 3:54 PM Jim Miller via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 5, 2019, at 6:29 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> So this is what you get in the box plus the spacer.... "bearing
>> SET23-LM104949E/LM104911 bearing”
>>
>> In Set-23 you get:
>>
>> 2 cups
>> 2 cones
>> 1 spacer
>>
>> These are manufactured and QC'd _as a set_ and meant to be used _as a
> set_
>> in order to maintain the proper bearing clearance after assembly.
>> Absolutely do not mix and match the cones and the cups within the set and
>> by all means do NOT buy your own cups and cones individually and try to
> use
>> an old spacer ring with them. My PO tried this in order to save money and
>> ended up making it less than 100 miles before the bearing seized up and
>> destroyed both the knuckle and the spindle on the driver’s side.
>>
>> As Emery and others have pointed out you need qty two of Set23 to do both
>> front wheels.
>>
>> Jim Miller
>> 1977 Eleganza
>> 1977 Royale
>> Hamilton, OH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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Re: [GMCnet] Front Wheel bearings [message #350515 is a reply to message #350492] Fri, 06 December 2019 05:53 Go to previous message
Rich Kinas is currently offline  Rich Kinas   United States
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Billy,

Thanks for the tool loan information. Bob Heller has generously offered to
assist me in replacing the bearings (he has a tool), and I will be setting
up some time to do that with him, so for now, it looks like I do not need
to borrow the community tool (thank you for being the custodian). If that
changes, I'll use the link and get on the waiting list.

Rich

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:21 AM Billy Massey via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> http://www.bdub.net/bearingtool/
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:24 AM Rich Kinas via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I hate asking questions that I should be able to determine for myself but
>> sometimes I just don't get it! For our front wheels, I have rebuilt both
>> upper and lower A-arms (sandblasted, inspected, painted, new polyurethane
>> bushings, they look really nice). Bearings seemed fine on the coach, but
> put
>> the hubs on my bench and drivers side has a "catch" in the bearing, turns
>> ok except for a "catch" once in a while, feels like something is amiss so
>> was planning on replacing. So here is my question, I know that Timken
>> Set23 is the recommended bearing (correct?). How many do I need to
> order? 2
>> or
>> 4? Cant really tell from pictures if the "set" has one or two bearings in
>> it. Also is there a bearing puller/installer tool loaner program in
> affect
>> anywhere? If not what is the recommended tool?
>>
>> Thanks All
>>
>> Rich
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>> 1976 Elaganza II
>> Orlando, FL
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