| Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350219] |
Tue, 19 November 2019 20:11  |
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Tom Lins
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Ever notice things (both good and bad) seem to happen in threes?
First I had issues with the FI-Tech so I have switched back to the Carb.
Next I had the friction material come off one of the brake pads
Now the house battery has basically fallen apart?
Anybody have a guess as to what happened to it.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p66845-battery.html
Hate to put a replacement in and have it do the same thing.
The buzz box is gone, I have a PD smart charger. I also have a 100 watt solar panel connected to the house battery with a charge controller. This is the same setup I had on our previous GMC.
Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension Solar Panel
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350224 is a reply to message #350222] |
Tue, 19 November 2019 21:36  |
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Tom Lins
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James Hupy wrote on Tue, 19 November 2019 22:29Be sure to neutralize the acid with lots and lots of baking soda, followed
by copious amounts of water. Acid is really hard on frames and suspension
parts.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 7:16 PM Mike Hamm via Gmclist
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> Cheep battery.
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Already done.
I have seen that before with a frozen battery in NJ
Strong acids and bases are not to be trifled with.
Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, Aluminum Radiator Quad-Bag Suspension Solar Panel
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| Re: Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350225 is a reply to message #350219] |
Tue, 19 November 2019 22:00 |
Rick Staples
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From here it looks like it discharged and then froze. I'd double-check for anything which might have run it down when you replace it.
In 30-odd years in the automotive business (pump jockey to grease monkey to service manager etc) I only ONCE saw a battery explode while being charged, and that when the mechanic left all the cell caps off while charging and working under the hood. This gave the spark and resultant flame easy access to the hydrogen within the cells when he bumped a charger clamp. (Fortunately, he was working right by the rest room and ran to the sink.) Anyhow, that exploded battery showed much more dramatic damage than your pictures, with pieces landing several feet away. The noise in the next room where I was sounded like a very loud firecracker.
Remember, Murphy was an optomist!
HTH
Rick Staples
Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
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| Re: [GMCnet] Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350226 is a reply to message #350225] |
Tue, 19 November 2019 22:29 |
James Hupy
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I have seen several batteries that blew up while being charged. They were
all nearly destroyed, and were bulged outwards, and the tops were usually
lifted up or missing altogether. Yours looks more like it froze and broke.
Just a guess on my part.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019, 8:01 PM Richard H Staples via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> From here it looks like it discharged and then froze. I'd double-check
> for anything which might have run it down when you replace it.
>
> In 30-odd years in the automotive business (pump jockey to grease monkey
> to service manager etc) I only ONCE saw a battery explode while being
> charged, and that when the mechanic left all the cell caps off while
> charging and working under the hood. This gave the spark and resultant
> flame
> easy access to the hydrogen within the cells when he bumped a charger
> clamp. (Fortunately, he was working right by the rest room and ran to the
> sink.) Anyhow, that exploded battery showed much more dramatic damage
> than your pictures, with pieces landing several feet away. The noise in the
> next room where I was sounded like a very loud firecracker.
>
> Remember, Murphy was an optomist!
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> HTH
> Rick Staples
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> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
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> may run ill." -Tolkien
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| Re: Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350228 is a reply to message #350221] |
Wed, 20 November 2019 03:00 |
Ken Burton
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Battery explosion.
I have seen a few of those over years. I have also seen frozen ones. Frozen ones do not have that much damage. The freezing expansion happens slowly. They only freeze if they are completely discharged and the weather is cold enough. With your Florida location that really eliminates that possibility. Freezing usually slowly expands the sides does not blow violently around the top down.
Explosions happen at the top where the gas (Hydrogen, oxygen, and air) accumulate. The first one of those I saw happened when I was sitting on top of it in an 1950's vintage International PU truck. The battery was located under the driver's seat. It was an exciting even for me as a young teenager. My daughter had one blow when she turned the key to start first thing in the morning. Roger Black had one blow in the middle of the night at the first Amana Colonies rally. It woke up people in several coaches around including us.
Clean it up good with baking soda and lots and lots of water.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350231 is a reply to message #350219] |
Wed, 20 November 2019 12:59 |
Christo
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Tom Lins wrote on Tue, 19 November 2019 21:11Ever notice things (both good and bad) seem to happen in threes?
First I had issues with the FI-Tech so I have switched back to the Carb.
Next I had the friction material come off one of the brake pads
Now the house battery has basically fallen apart?
Anybody have a guess as to what happened to it.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p66845-battery.html
Hate to put a replacement in and have it do the same thing.
The buzz box is gone, I have a PD smart charger. I also have a 100 watt solar panel connected to the house battery with a charge controller. This is the same setup I had on our previous GMC.
When was the last time you checked water level? Maybe it was very low?
Christo Darsch
GMC Nor'easters
1977 Eleganza II - "The Komet"
3.50 Power Drive, Disc Brakes, Alcoas
Weymouth, MA
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| Re: Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350233 is a reply to message #350219] |
Wed, 20 November 2019 18:50 |
JohnL455
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Battery explosions are usually triggered by a spark. The spark inside the case is usually from loose or broken connectors from physical bounce/jarring fatigue. Seen it a few times and always use care around batteries with spark generation. If there was a broken internal connection the battery was junk before the explosion. Worth $10 core either way.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Things always seem to happen in threes [message #350238 is a reply to message #350233] |
Thu, 21 November 2019 06:44 |
palerider
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I've only seen one blow up like that. Some young stupid mechanic was cutting the exhaust system off an old pickup with a cutting torch. The truck was one of those with the battery in a bracket hanging under the floorboard.Sparks ignited the fumes probably. She blew like a grenade and covered the kid with acid. He ran for a water hose and rinsed himself off. Lost the uniform anyway.Don't ask who it was. Twas a long time ago in a Galaxy far, far away.............Tom
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