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Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350190] Mon, 18 November 2019 18:05 Go to next message
6cuda6 is currently offline  6cuda6   Canada
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Anyone have a napkin drawing of how they hooked it up to their coach that they can share? My coach is a Hughes and i dont schematics for this ...i have the GMC ones though but this is a very different unit.

I have a meter but chassing wires with a meter, through the window at 10 degrees F is not my idea of fun when your shooting blind.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350195 is a reply to message #350190] Mon, 18 November 2019 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Might need a little more detail on what you are trying to figure out? the A/C side of the unit, or the control(start/stop)?

I only know the ev6010, but I am sure the 4010 is similar. It has 2 hot legs, and 2 neutrals, and a ground. but they are pretty well internally connected, so you can think of it has having just a single hot, single neutral, and the ground.

for my GM, I have the 50 amp outlet, so I have one of each of the hots that leave the coach connected to each hot leg of that 50 amp. the neutrals are wire nutted together and tied to the single neutral on the outlet, and then of course you have the ground leg.

you might have something different on your coach.


as for the control, there are 4 wires. there is schematics for the onan switches. and also for the pin out of the honda plug on side of the control box at the generator. I just matched function for function.



Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350197 is a reply to message #350195] Tue, 19 November 2019 04:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lqqkatjon wrote on Mon, 18 November 2019 22:23
Might need a little more detail on what you are trying to figure out? the A/C side of the unit, or the control(start/stop)?

I only know the ev6010, but I am sure the 4010 is similar. It has 2 hot legs, and 2 neutrals, and a ground. but they are pretty well internally connected, so you can think of it has having just a single hot, single neutral, and the ground.

for my GM, I have the 50 amp outlet, so I have one of each of the hots that leave the coach connected to each hot leg of that 50 amp. the neutrals are wire nutted together and tied to the single neutral on the outlet, and then of course you have the ground leg.

you might have something different on your coach.


as for the control, there are 4 wires. there is schematics for the onan switches. and also for the pin out of the honda plug on side of the control box at the generator. I just matched function for function.

The A/C side really as the stop/start is going to be from the coach control panel which i know is very different than anyones......but i think with the Honda manual i can figure that one out (4 wires). The A/c side on the other hand is a little more messy as it appears that the coach had a battery connected to the junction for house power (house battery up front) as well as the 30amp recepticle to plug the generator cable into. One would think there would only be a couple wires down there but there is a pile of them.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350201 is a reply to message #350190] Tue, 19 November 2019 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It may be 10f and you may have to wait for warm... but you ought to get your 'Fox N Hound' out and find out where those wires go.

--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350203 is a reply to message #350197] Tue, 19 November 2019 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am still trying to understand the question.

is there a transfer switch somewhere?

usually you plug the coach A/C cord, into either Shore power, or the generator. So the A/C wiring of the Generator is usually hooked up to a Female receptacle. and you would then plug the coach cord into that recepticle.


you confuse me as to the "battery".... that is 12volts DC. The honda basically has one 12v hot wire terminal, and you hook the big ground to the chassis, for starting power/cranking. It has ability to charge a battery, but that wire (smaller one going into a plug on the control box) should be cut on the harness, as it could potentially try to overcharge and burn the stator. use the coach Converter/charger and or the engine alternator to do any 12v battery charging.

this is detailed in Pinella power videos. if you are not familair with them, they tell you everything about the honda 6010 you need to know:

https://www.pinellaspowerproducts.com/gallery/




Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350204 is a reply to message #350203] Tue, 19 November 2019 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lqqkatjon wrote on Tue, 19 November 2019 10:07
I am still trying to understand the question.

is there a transfer switch somewhere?

usually you plug the coach A/C cord, into either Shore power, or the generator. So the A/C wiring of the Generator is usually hooked up to a Female receptacle. and you would then plug the coach cord into that recepticle.


you confuse me as to the "battery".... that is 12volts DC. The honda basically has one 12v hot wire terminal, and you hook the big ground to the chassis, for starting power/cranking. It has ability to charge a battery, but that wire (smaller one going into a plug on the control box) should be cut on the harness, as it could potentially try to overcharge and burn the stator. use the coach Converter/charger and or the engine alternator to do any 12v battery charging.

this is detailed in Pinella power videos. if you are not familair with them, they tell you everything about the honda 6010 you need to know:

https://www.pinellaspowerproducts.com/gallery/


Id post a pic but its to big.....ill email it to you directly.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350208 is a reply to message #350201] Tue, 19 November 2019 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Tue, 19 November 2019 08:21
It may be 10f and you may have to wait for warm... but you ought to get your 'Fox N Hound' out and find out where those wires go.

--johnny
Spent to many years wrenching in the cold...my fingers dont move anymore at those temps.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350213 is a reply to message #350190] Tue, 19 November 2019 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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why the fox n hound beats a meter inthe cold - you can wear mittens


--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350443 is a reply to message #350190] Sun, 01 December 2019 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hughes still exist, i think as repair only. Perhaps you could call them or email them tosee if they have any info. My sob was sold new in 1977 by hughes.

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Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350454 is a reply to message #350190] Mon, 02 December 2019 04:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the reply Dave....funny thing is did but havent heard anything back from them as of yet.

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350477 is a reply to message #350190] Wed, 04 December 2019 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rich, there's a Motorhome Show early in the New Ywar in Toronto. If you haven't heard from Hughes
perhaps you could check the show info and see if Hughes is showing as a Exhibitor.
That's how I discovered they area still around.
DK


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Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350478 is a reply to message #350190] Wed, 04 December 2019 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You have to determine if coach is 125/250 as with 14-50 or is it just TT-30 with 125V
You have to determine is generator is 125/250 or 125V only.

Once we have that info we can proceed. .


John Lebetski
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Re: Honda EV4010/6010 [message #350481 is a reply to message #350190] Wed, 04 December 2019 14:18 Go to previous message
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My coach is 30 amp/120v for sure.

Gen is 50amp not 30/20 and i beleive they are only 120v and you can leg it for 2 x 120v per leg or 120v single (depends on how you connect internal wiring).....correct me if im wrong... im just looking at the install manual.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
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