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Thu, 05 September 2019 14:49  |
Mike_H
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Hey All,
Just recently signed up for the forum. Looks to be a good repository of information. My wife and I have been looking for a motorhome for a couple months now. We've looked at new, used, rundown and abused. We do NOT want to spend 100K on a entry level Class A, Class C seem cheap (even though they are expensive) and Class B's just don't seem to fit us...and they are $$$$. We stumbled across a listing for a GMC glenbrook and kinda joked about getting it. Well after looking at more expensive junk, the joke started to make more sense. I have a friend who's parents have one and swear by it. I know they were build much better than the stuff you get today (I read it referred to stick and staple ->LOL) so we're going to look at it this weekend.
Its a 1975 Glenbrook. 27,000 miles, been stored inside for the last 15 years. Seller says it runs and drives, but needs TLC and some air suspension work. He's asking $9,000. The pictures show a very original survivor.
Here is the add...Now nobody go buy it from under me, k? 
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/grand-rapids-1975-gmc-glenbrook/6938875589.html
I have also found another, a 1976 close by (no CL ad) that has been updated (alcoas, paint, upholstery) but doesn't run. They are asking 7500. 106,000 miles. The seller isn't sure whats wrong with the engine, other than it won't turn over. Said it ran in March, they moved it from storage. Tried to start it in June and it won't turn over. They are both the same floorplan (plan 3, I think)
We will try to look at both of them...I have NO idea how I'll get a 12,000 lb motorcoach transported 65'ish miles if that ends up being the one. 1975 is only 15 or so miles away and supposedly runs and drives. I like the idea of having the updated coach with the nice paint and wheels, but I also like the idea of improving an original survivor...No one has mucked about with it, so it should be easier to get "right." No sins of previous owners to deal with.
Just a little background on my wife and I. We are both "fixer-uppers" We have updated and remodeled our house together, we refreshed a boat (cuddy cabin), I've rebuilt a jeep, two motorcycles and many lawn tractors in my time. She does "retro-Chic" furniture re-finishing. I have a full woodworking shop and know my way around a machine shop though I don't own those tools...yet. This will be our biggest project yet. We're really looking forward to trying the RV lifestyle. As we age (both early 40's) we want to see more of the country, plus her family lives 500 miles away. Having a "home away from home" will make visits with them that much easier.
Mike and Jessica
West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
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| Re: First Post [message #347399 is a reply to message #347394] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 16:09  |
6cuda6
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Welcome!! You've come to the right place....to say, here, "that people know their stuff" is an understatement.
As far as what to buy.....tuff call as we just bought ours in June but being a mechanic i was more worried about the maintenance history than anything else.
In my opinion, it depends on your vision and your mechanical ability.....if you add wheels and a few personal touches to the first one you could easily add 3 to 4k....heck rear suspension alone is going to run you 600 to 1500$.
The second one has the cosmetic updates you want but might cost you an engine rebuild or maybe it just needs a starter.... 150 or 2 to 3k ???
Look at the underneath of the coaches, frame rails, fuel tanks, oil pan etc.....compare the 2 for rust etc....then paint....the fit/finish....then inside. I actually wrote up score cards and compared so as to keep things objective....lol.
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347405 is a reply to message #347394] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 17:36 |
Richard Denney
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I’ve maintained that a GMC in a state of good repair (meaning a state of
readiness where everything works as it should reliably, so that you can
jump in it and go just as you would your daily driver) costs about $30K.
Matt Colie, who’ll be welcoming you momentarily, adds that it comes either
complete or as a kit.
Jerry Work has said, wisely, that it costs about $750 a year to maintain a
GMC (or any similar motorhome—diesel pushers are more). If that hasn’t been
sent, expect to have to spend it to get it caught up. That 15 years of
storage will take its toll—you’ll want to replace everything that is made
of rubber—tires, fuel lines, brake lines, belts, plumbing parts, etc.
So, go in with a realistic budget, and a plan.
Principles of the plan include priorities:
1. Safe.
2. Reliable—won’t park you at the roadside.
3. Comfortable and convenient—all the goodies that making using it easy and
fun.
4. Pretty.
But paint is so expensive these days, it makes sense to start with at least
decent paint. Don’t be like me. After 16 years of my ownership, my coach is
now showing primer through the paint. But I have replaced and renewed
basically everything else—the interior and very nearly everything that
makes it drive. And I’ve spent more than $30K, though I can’t say every
penny was wisely spent. But every minute of that time, I owned the coach
outright, unlike many of the RVers driving new stuff.
A GMC is a hobby in and of itself, and it comes with its own vacation
opportunities and friendships. If all you want is a cheap motorhome, you’ll
either be converted or disappointed. You get much more value if you take
advantage of the community that comes with it.
Enjoy the search and stay connected.
Rick “who posted a similar message in 2003” Denney
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Mike via Gmclist
wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Just recently signed up for the forum. Looks to be a good repository of
> information. My wife and I have been looking for a motorhome for a couple
> months now. We've looked at new, used, rundown and abused. We do NOT
> want to spend 100K on a entry level Class A, Class C seem cheap (even though
> they are expensive) and Class B's just don't seem to fit us...and they are
> $$$$. We stumbled across a listing for a GMC glenbrook and kinda joked
> about getting it. Well after looking at more expensive junk, the joke
> started to make more sense. I have a friend who's parents have one and
> swear
> by it. I know they were build much better than the stuff you get today (I
> read it referred to stick and staple ->LOL) so we're going to look at it
> this weekend.
>
> Its a 1975 Glenbrook. 27,000 miles, been stored inside for the last 15
> years. Seller says it runs and drives, but needs TLC and some air
> suspension
> work. He's asking $9,000. The pictures show a very original survivor.
>
> Here is the add...Now nobody go buy it from under me, k? :lol:
>
>
> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/grand-rapids-1975-gmc-glenbrook/6938875589.html
>
>
> I have also found another, a 1976 close by (no CL ad) that has been
> updated (alcoas, paint, upholstery) but doesn't run. They are asking 7500.
> 106,000 miles. The seller isn't sure whats wrong with the engine, other
> than it won't turn over. Said it ran in March, they moved it from storage.
> Tried to start it in June and it won't turn over. They are both the same
> floorplan (plan 3, I think)
>
> We will try to look at both of them...I have NO idea how I'll get a 12,000
> lb motorcoach transported 65'ish miles if that ends up being the one. 1975
> is only 15 or so miles away and supposedly runs and drives. I like the
> idea of having the updated coach with the nice paint and wheels, but I also
> like the idea of improving an original survivor...No one has mucked about
> with it, so it should be easier to get "right." No sins of previous owners
> to deal with.
>
>
> Just a little background on my wife and I. We are both "fixer-uppers" We
> have updated and remodeled our house together, we refreshed a boat (cuddy
> cabin), I've rebuilt a jeep, two motorcycles and many lawn tractors in my
> time. She does "retro-Chic" furniture re-finishing. I have a full
> woodworking shop and know my way around a machine shop though I don't own
> those tools...yet. This will be our biggest project yet. We're really
> looking forward to trying the RV lifestyle. As we age (both early 40's)
> we want to see more of the country, plus her family lives 500 miles away.
> Having a "home away from home" will make visits with them that much
> easier.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347407 is a reply to message #347405] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 17:57 |
Vern Crawford
Messages: 81
Registered: August 2016
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Welcome Mike,
Rick "De'Wise" Denny put it well! Our three plus years of proud ownership
of our 1977 Palm Beach will bear out those numbers.
And the pleasures and pride of being part of this community of GMCers are
the icing on the cake.
Hugs,
Vern, Lenore, and Knibbles D. Kat
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:36 PM Richard Denney via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I’ve maintained that a GMC in a state of good repair (meaning a state of
> readiness where everything works as it should reliably, so that you can
> jump in it and go just as you would your daily driver) costs about $30K.
>
> Matt Colie, who’ll be welcoming you momentarily, adds that it comes either
> complete or as a kit.
>
> Jerry Work has said, wisely, that it costs about $750 a year to maintain a
> GMC (or any similar motorhome—diesel pushers are more). If that hasn’t been
> sent, expect to have to spend it to get it caught up. That 15 years of
> storage will take its toll—you’ll want to replace everything that is made
> of rubber—tires, fuel lines, brake lines, belts, plumbing parts, etc.
>
> So, go in with a realistic budget, and a plan.
>
> Principles of the plan include priorities:
>
> 1. Safe.
> 2. Reliable—won’t park you at the roadside.
> 3. Comfortable and convenient—all the goodies that making using it easy and
> fun.
> 4. Pretty.
>
> But paint is so expensive these days, it makes sense to start with at least
> decent paint. Don’t be like me. After 16 years of my ownership, my coach is
> now showing primer through the paint. But I have replaced and renewed
> basically everything else—the interior and very nearly everything that
> makes it drive. And I’ve spent more than $30K, though I can’t say every
> penny was wisely spent. But every minute of that time, I owned the coach
> outright, unlike many of the RVers driving new stuff.
>
> A GMC is a hobby in and of itself, and it comes with its own vacation
> opportunities and friendships. If all you want is a cheap motorhome, you’ll
> either be converted or disappointed. You get much more value if you take
> advantage of the community that comes with it.
>
> Enjoy the search and stay connected.
>
> Rick “who posted a similar message in 2003” Denney
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Mike via Gmclist
> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Just recently signed up for the forum. Looks to be a good repository of
>> information. My wife and I have been looking for a motorhome for a
> couple
>> months now. We've looked at new, used, rundown and abused. We do NOT
>> want to spend 100K on a entry level Class A, Class C seem cheap (even
> though
>> they are expensive) and Class B's just don't seem to fit us...and they
> are
>> $$$$. We stumbled across a listing for a GMC glenbrook and kinda joked
>> about getting it. Well after looking at more expensive junk, the joke
>> started to make more sense. I have a friend who's parents have one and
>> swear
>> by it. I know they were build much better than the stuff you get today
> (I
>> read it referred to stick and staple ->LOL) so we're going to look at it
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Its a 1975 Glenbrook. 27,000 miles, been stored inside for the last 15
>> years. Seller says it runs and drives, but needs TLC and some air
>> suspension
>> work. He's asking $9,000. The pictures show a very original survivor.
>>
>> Here is the add...Now nobody go buy it from under me, k? :lol:
>>
>>
>>
> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/grand-rapids-1975-gmc-glenbrook/6938875589.html
>>
>>
>> I have also found another, a 1976 close by (no CL ad) that has been
>> updated (alcoas, paint, upholstery) but doesn't run. They are asking
> 7500.
>> 106,000 miles. The seller isn't sure whats wrong with the engine, other
>> than it won't turn over. Said it ran in March, they moved it from
> storage.
>> Tried to start it in June and it won't turn over. They are both the same
>> floorplan (plan 3, I think)
>>
>> We will try to look at both of them...I have NO idea how I'll get a
> 12,000
>> lb motorcoach transported 65'ish miles if that ends up being the one.
> 1975
>> is only 15 or so miles away and supposedly runs and drives. I like the
>> idea of having the updated coach with the nice paint and wheels, but I
> also
>> like the idea of improving an original survivor...No one has mucked about
>> with it, so it should be easier to get "right." No sins of previous
> owners
>> to deal with.
>>
>>
>> Just a little background on my wife and I. We are both "fixer-uppers"
> We
>> have updated and remodeled our house together, we refreshed a boat (cuddy
>> cabin), I've rebuilt a jeep, two motorcycles and many lawn tractors in my
>> time. She does "retro-Chic" furniture re-finishing. I have a full
>> woodworking shop and know my way around a machine shop though I don't own
>> those tools...yet. This will be our biggest project yet. We're really
>> looking forward to trying the RV lifestyle. As we age (both early 40's)
>> we want to see more of the country, plus her family lives 500 miles away.
>> Having a "home away from home" will make visits with them that much
>> easier.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347408 is a reply to message #347405] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 17:58 |
Bruce Hart
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Two things come to mind on why the second one won't start. No spark, no
fuel. Determine which one come back to the forum and you will get many
possibilities for each but at least a road to go on.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:36 PM Richard Denney via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I’ve maintained that a GMC in a state of good repair (meaning a state of
> readiness where everything works as it should reliably, so that you can
> jump in it and go just as you would your daily driver) costs about $30K.
>
> Matt Colie, who’ll be welcoming you momentarily, adds that it comes either
> complete or as a kit.
>
> Jerry Work has said, wisely, that it costs about $750 a year to maintain a
> GMC (or any similar motorhome—diesel pushers are more). If that hasn’t been
> sent, expect to have to spend it to get it caught up. That 15 years of
> storage will take its toll—you’ll want to replace everything that is made
> of rubber—tires, fuel lines, brake lines, belts, plumbing parts, etc.
>
> So, go in with a realistic budget, and a plan.
>
> Principles of the plan include priorities:
>
> 1. Safe.
> 2. Reliable—won’t park you at the roadside.
> 3. Comfortable and convenient—all the goodies that making using it easy and
> fun.
> 4. Pretty.
>
> But paint is so expensive these days, it makes sense to start with at least
> decent paint. Don’t be like me. After 16 years of my ownership, my coach is
> now showing primer through the paint. But I have replaced and renewed
> basically everything else—the interior and very nearly everything that
> makes it drive. And I’ve spent more than $30K, though I can’t say every
> penny was wisely spent. But every minute of that time, I owned the coach
> outright, unlike many of the RVers driving new stuff.
>
> A GMC is a hobby in and of itself, and it comes with its own vacation
> opportunities and friendships. If all you want is a cheap motorhome, you’ll
> either be converted or disappointed. You get much more value if you take
> advantage of the community that comes with it.
>
> Enjoy the search and stay connected.
>
> Rick “who posted a similar message in 2003” Denney
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 4:14 PM Mike via Gmclist
> wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> Just recently signed up for the forum. Looks to be a good repository of
>> information. My wife and I have been looking for a motorhome for a
> couple
>> months now. We've looked at new, used, rundown and abused. We do NOT
>> want to spend 100K on a entry level Class A, Class C seem cheap (even
> though
>> they are expensive) and Class B's just don't seem to fit us...and they
> are
>> $$$$. We stumbled across a listing for a GMC glenbrook and kinda joked
>> about getting it. Well after looking at more expensive junk, the joke
>> started to make more sense. I have a friend who's parents have one and
>> swear
>> by it. I know they were build much better than the stuff you get today
> (I
>> read it referred to stick and staple ->LOL) so we're going to look at it
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Its a 1975 Glenbrook. 27,000 miles, been stored inside for the last 15
>> years. Seller says it runs and drives, but needs TLC and some air
>> suspension
>> work. He's asking $9,000. The pictures show a very original survivor.
>>
>> Here is the add...Now nobody go buy it from under me, k? :lol:
>>
>>
>>
> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/grand-rapids-1975-gmc-glenbrook/6938875589.html
>>
>>
>> I have also found another, a 1976 close by (no CL ad) that has been
>> updated (alcoas, paint, upholstery) but doesn't run. They are asking
> 7500.
>> 106,000 miles. The seller isn't sure whats wrong with the engine, other
>> than it won't turn over. Said it ran in March, they moved it from
> storage.
>> Tried to start it in June and it won't turn over. They are both the same
>> floorplan (plan 3, I think)
>>
>> We will try to look at both of them...I have NO idea how I'll get a
> 12,000
>> lb motorcoach transported 65'ish miles if that ends up being the one.
> 1975
>> is only 15 or so miles away and supposedly runs and drives. I like the
>> idea of having the updated coach with the nice paint and wheels, but I
> also
>> like the idea of improving an original survivor...No one has mucked about
>> with it, so it should be easier to get "right." No sins of previous
> owners
>> to deal with.
>>
>>
>> Just a little background on my wife and I. We are both "fixer-uppers"
> We
>> have updated and remodeled our house together, we refreshed a boat (cuddy
>> cabin), I've rebuilt a jeep, two motorcycles and many lawn tractors in my
>> time. She does "retro-Chic" furniture re-finishing. I have a full
>> woodworking shop and know my way around a machine shop though I don't own
>> those tools...yet. This will be our biggest project yet. We're really
>> looking forward to trying the RV lifestyle. As we age (both early 40's)
>> we want to see more of the country, plus her family lives 500 miles away.
>> Having a "home away from home" will make visits with them that much
>> easier.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347414 is a reply to message #347408] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 19:33 |
C Boyd
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Sir, on the one that won't turn over. Might be a coincidence but had a call yesterday with same symptoms. If battery is hot and If it won't start in neutral either, The neutral safety switch is inside on top of the steering column at the floor. On the drivers (left) side there is a 2 wire plug with purple wires. Unplug and Jump this plug with a paper clip or make you a 3" jumper with 2 male spade ends. Cheapest and easiest thing to try first before crawling under it to jump starter solenoid or smack with hammer.
Welcome..
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: First Post [message #347416 is a reply to message #347394] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 19:43 |
Larry
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I've posted this a number of times for people looking at a coach that the engine has not run in several years. It's worth considering.....
If the engine has not run in several years, do not even turn that engine over until you get oil to the bearings. Gravity is your enemy. Over long periods of time gravity will drag oil off of bearing surfaces leaving them dry. If you prime the carb, and turn it over for immediate start, it will run for a period of time with out lubrication doing damage to bearing surfaces. Change the oil and filter to new 5W30 of your choice. Pull the distributor and turn oil pump with an electric drill until oil comes out of the rocker arms. This will necessitate pulling at least one of the valve covers. This may take a while, but will insure oil to all bearing surfaces. Then pull the plugs and squirt oil in the cylinders. Now, with the plugs out, open the throttle and turn the engine over until you have good oil pressure. NOW you have oil on the bearing surfaces, and it is safer to put the plugs in, and start the engine. Bring engine to 1500-2000 rpm immediately to get oil to the camshaft. The 5w30 I mentioned earlier will flow quicker to your bearings. Now, if you wish you can change oil to your choice of oil weight. I've seen to many engines that sat a long time get a quick start, appeared to run good, only to be followed, within a couple hundred or more miles, a rod or main bearing go out. IMO, because of a lack of adequate lubrication on initial start-up. OH, BTW, in the case of OHC engines, if oil pump is not available through the distributor, just pull the plugs and turn over until you see oil at the cam/rocker arms. It won't hurt anything to do this, and may save an engine. JMHO.
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347418 is a reply to message #347417] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 20:11 |
jimk
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There are some things you can do to tow it home.
If it sat for long period of time, the fuel turns into varnish and that
will seize the intake valves and cause damage.
We experience that with our new proud owners.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:43 PM Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 5:34 PM Charles Boyd via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Sir, on the one that won't turn over. Might be a coincidence but had a
>> call yesterday with same symptoms. If battery is hot and If it won't start
>> in
>> neutral either, The neutral safety switch is inside on top of the
>> steering column at the floor. On the drivers (left) side there is a 2 wire
>> plug
>> with purple wires. Unplug and Jump this plug with a paper clip or make
>> you a 3" jumper with 2 male spade ends. Cheapest and easiest thing to try
>> first before crawling under it to jump starter solenoid or smack with
>> hammer.
>> Welcome..
>> --
>> C. Boyd
>> 76 Crestmont
>> East Tennessee
>>
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Re: First Post [message #347419 is a reply to message #347394] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 20:20 |
Mike_H
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Those of you posting tips on getting the engine to run in the non-runner, Thanks! However, its not a situation of turns over, no start...Its more a situation of not turning over...I'm thinking blown head gasket and hydrolock...but I haven't seen it. The seller said it ran in march when they pulled it from storage. Tried to start it in June and nothing. They also said the replaced the iginition, which doesn't make sense if its not turning over...so I really don't know whats going on. I will ask to bring a few tools with me though. Hopefully I can pull the plugs and see what happens. It will give me a chance to check compression too.
Mike and Jessica
West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347421 is a reply to message #347419] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 21:11 |
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ljdavick
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Registered: March 2007
Location: Fremont, CA
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I was wisely cautioned not to buy a coach with rust at the bogies. That said I bought one sight unseen from eBay. I got lucky. Don’t do as I did.
Low mileage likely suggests the clock has turned over. Look at the brake pedal. If it’s worn it’s probably turned over.
I REALLY wanted a later coach, ‘77 or ‘78 because of the improved dash air and electro level. The eBay ad said it was a ‘78! I love my ‘76. The 403 is a wonderful engine just as my 455 is.
You may get lucky like I did and find a coach that has been lavished with love. True trackers, lower gears, Ragusa lots, and so in make this a great motorhome.
Find one. Jump in. Make some memories. Make lots of memories. Stay active on this list. Ask stupid questions.
Welcome.
Larry Davick
a Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca.
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Mike via Gmclist wrote:
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> Those of you posting tips on getting the engine to run in the non-runner, Thanks! However, its not a situation of turns over, no start...Its more a
> situation of not turning over...I'm thinking blown head gasket and hydrolock...but I haven't seen it. The seller said it ran in march when they
> pulled it from storage. Tried to start it in June and nothing. They also said the replaced the iginition, which doesn't make sense if its not
> turning over...so I really don't know whats going on. I will ask to bring a few tools with me though. Hopefully I can pull the plugs and see what
> happens. It will give me a chance to check compression too.
>
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| Re: First Post [message #347423 is a reply to message #347394] |
Thu, 05 September 2019 21:26 |
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Matt Colie
Messages: 8547
Registered: March 2007
Location: S.E. Michigan
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Mike H,
Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum.....
You found your way here and that is great. Pre-purchase is even better.
Just so you know, a large size rollback can pick up a 26' coach and carry it. If you have AAA(MI) with RVplus, you get a 100 mile tow in the package.
You have already had a good introduction to this community, but hang on....
The fact that you are literate and have an IQ over 80 puts you ahead of most of the people you might pay to do this work. I bet you won't need them.
Remember the 30K$ for a dependable and ready to travel coach? Please, Trust us on this.
But now is the good news....
Sweat gets billed in at full shop rate. (110~125/mhr in MI) = Buy the tools you need to do it right, they are already paid for.
If you do not have all the service documentation, it can all be downloaded. You can also call on us for help. You can even call me to talk (I'm in GMC Assist aka Black's list) I am about 3 hours away (very near DTW), so regular trips would be tough and really can't happen until after the International Convention in Mansfield OH in October.
I am not an odd-man out here. Becoming a part of this community (owning a TZE is not actually essential) puts you into a cadre of people that are probably more helping and supportive than you can imagine. We can all tell stories (yours truly has a brand new one) of what the community can pull together when a member has need. Being a GMC owner is more than just having a big new toy. Many will tell you that the real value to being an owner of a GMC (apart from having a really neat coach) is the community. Oh and yes, this is a whole family thing.
So we can better assist you, (and you are working the forum) please go to <Control Panel/Account Settings> Scroll down to <Preferences> and find the signature box. Fill in a name you actually go by (we like to know who we are helping). The short about the coach will obviously have to wait. And a good geographic reference. (The half that read this as email can't see the GR.) Then scroll down to update.
Now, your target coach that won't crank, does the starter make any noise at all?
If no, jack the front frame (do not use the OE jack as it will trash the bumper) and block it. Remove the screws at the wheel opening and put out the liner. Now reach over the tire with a sacrificial screw driver and do the jab the terminals trick. If it doesn't blow sparks, you have a connection problem. If it makes it crank, there are lots of places that can be a problem. If it blows sparks and doesn't crank, the starter is not difficult to remove. We can go over these. You have about 2 months before winter comes for good. Lets get it home before that.
The only other community that I know of that is this helping and supportive is that of the watermen of my world. For this reason, I like to welcome new members much as you might be welcomed there, the only problem is that the welcome is pretty centered on the vessel.... So, I will amend...
May the Good Lord bless which ever coach you acquire and also those that set forth within her.
Welcome Mike & ??
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: First Post [message #347448 is a reply to message #347394] |
Fri, 06 September 2019 19:42 |
Mike_H
Messages: 16
Registered: September 2019
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Well our first target turned into mostly a bust. For a reminder, its this one.
https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/grand-rapids-1975-gmc-glenbrook/6938875589.html
Its is original and complete. The cabinets and paints are in good shape. No apparent water damage. Runs surprisingly well. No rot that I could tell just surface rust. Drove down the road ok, had brakes. Now...for the bad
The whole coach smelled of mouse pee. There were walnut shells in a lot of nooks and crannies. It was dirty. The cushions felt sticky or greasy. The headliner was falling down. The tires, he said were new, but I just don't believe him. Oh, and I found some oil change stickers on the dash. It has 127,000 miles, not the 27,000 he claimed. We were unable to test any of the appliances, as the house batteries were shot. I assume they would all need replacement. The generator is also non-working. The air compressor would not build pressure. Cracked driver's windshield. Unable to test furnace. Engine A/C did not work. Airbags were cracked but not split. We were only able to take a test drive by inflating the air tank with an external compressor. Let me know if anyone wants pictures. I took about 30.
Going Sunday to look at another. I'm hopeful for this one. The people were using it and say everything works but the engine. It appears to have some nice upgrades. I also happen to have a very good engine builder in my town if its a worst case possible. I think its just a head gasket talking to the owner and how the failure happened. I will pull the spark plugs and try cranking it over to see if it blows water out. Probably still need a rebuild. I also don't really know the mileage on this one, as she said the odometer doesn't work.
Here are a couple pics.
Mike and Jessica
West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347451 is a reply to message #347448] |
Fri, 06 September 2019 20:27 |
Vern Crawford
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Mike, I suggest you check out these sites for both what is on the market at
this moment and what has sold in the past. While CraigList is a resource,
generally speaking the folks advertising on those sites have no idea about
the community of GMC Motorhome folks are following.
https://www.gmcmi.com/motorhomes-for-sale/
https://www.gmcmi.com/motorhomes-that-sold/
http://www.bethunesales.com/listings/
There may be others, but this will give you more information on what's
being offered in our market.
Hugs,
Vern
On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 7:43 PM Mike via Gmclist
wrote:
> Well our first target turned into mostly a bust. For a reminder, its this
> one.
>
>
> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/rvs/d/grand-rapids-1975-gmc-glenbrook/6938875589.html
>
> Its is original and complete. The cabinets and paints are in good shape.
> No apparent water damage. Runs surprisingly well. No rot that I could
> tell just surface rust. Drove down the road ok, had brakes. Now...for
> the bad
>
> The whole coach smelled of mouse pee. There were walnut shells in a lot
> of nooks and crannies. It was dirty. The cushions felt sticky or greasy.
> The headliner was falling down. The tires, he said were new, but I just
> don't believe him. Oh, and I found some oil change stickers on the dash.
> It
> has 127,000 miles, not the 27,000 he claimed. We were unable to test any
> of the appliances, as the house batteries were shot. I assume they would
> all need replacement. The generator is also non-working. The air
> compressor would not build pressure. Cracked driver's windshield. Unable
> to test
> furnace. Engine A/C did not work. Airbags were cracked but not split.
> We were only able to take a test drive by inflating the air tank with an
> external compressor. Let me know if anyone wants pictures. I took about
> 30.
>
> Going Sunday to look at another. I'm hopeful for this one. The people
> were using it and say everything works but the engine. It appears to have
> some
> nice upgrades. I also happen to have a very good engine builder in my
> town if its a worst case possible. I think its just a head gasket talking
> to
> the owner and how the failure happened. I will pull the spark plugs and
> try cranking it over to see if it blows water out. Probably still need a
> rebuild. I also don't really know the mileage on this one, as she said
> the odometer doesn't work.
>
> Here are a couple pics.
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> Mike and Jessica
> West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
> Currently Shopping...
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| Re: First Post [message #347526 is a reply to message #347394] |
Sun, 08 September 2019 21:12 |
Mike_H
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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Well, we put on offer on one today, but were turned down. For everyone's memory, this is the one with the "seized" engine. I pulled the plugs and they were dry. I pulled the dip stick and it too was dry. I believe it was starved of oil and the main bearings are seized. That is just my guess though. This coach has a lot of desirable upgrades. Alcoa wheels, Dual Airbags, Full paint, new mirrors, Day/Night blinds.
The headliner had been replaced and it doesn't look as though whoever did it did it properly. At least, the cabinets were not removed or rebuilt properly. So the shower was unusable because the all with the door had been cut apart and the fiberglass liner inside was not reinstalled. ALL of the window seals were pulling out and would need replacement. The upholstery was not done very well. The tucks were very wrinkled and the material was pulling away in areas. Another broken windshield. The Gen Set outer cover (part of the body) was cracked. The Paint was starting to crack and pull away in spots. The rear "clip" (I don't know what else to call it) had a bad spot in it. The roof had leaked or was leaking (evidence of water staining on the headliner). Wow...writing it out like that...I don't know why I put and Offer on it! LOL...Anyway, we walked away.
I'll start a new thread here with our budget, how far we're willing to travel and what we're looking for and let the Hive mind start helping me search. This is starting to remind me of my search for a good Jeep Wrangler...Gotta look at a BUNCH of junk before you find the right one.
Mike and Jessica
West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
1978 Royale Twin bed, Dry Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347528 is a reply to message #347526] |
Sun, 08 September 2019 22:08 |
Ken Henderson
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Registered: March 2004
Location: Americus, GA
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You need to come to the GMCMI convention at Mansfield, OH during 4-10
October. There are sure to be some coaches for sale there, perhaps the one
for you. At any rate, you'll get a good education and meet a lot of folks
who can & will help you look.
https://www.gmcmi.com/2019f-conv-info/
Ken H.
On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:13 PM Mike via Gmclist
wrote:
> Well, we put on offer on one today, but were turned down. For everyone's
> memory, this is the one with the "seized" engine. I pulled the plugs and
> they were dry. I pulled the dip stick and it too was dry. I believe it
> was starved of oil and the main bearings are seized. That is just my guess
> though. This coach has a lot of desirable upgrades. Alcoa wheels, Dual
> Airbags, Full paint, new mirrors, Day/Night blinds.
>
> The headliner had been replaced and it doesn't look as though whoever did
> it did it properly. At least, the cabinets were not removed or rebuilt
> properly. So the shower was unusable because the all with the door had
> been cut apart and the fiberglass liner inside was not reinstalled. ALL of
> the window seals were pulling out and would need replacement. The
> upholstery was not done very well. The tucks were very wrinkled and the
> material
> was pulling away in areas. Another broken windshield. The Gen Set outer
> cover (part of the body) was cracked. The Paint was starting to crack and
> pull away in spots. The rear "clip" (I don't know what else to call it)
> had a bad spot in it. The roof had leaked or was leaking (evidence of water
> staining on the headliner). Wow...writing it out like that...I don't know
> why I put and Offer on it! LOL...Anyway, we walked away.
>
> I'll start a new thread here with our budget, how far we're willing to
> travel and what we're looking for and let the Hive mind start helping me
> search. This is starting to remind me of my search for a good Jeep
> Wrangler...Gotta look at a BUNCH of junk before you find the right one.
>
> --
> Mike and Jessica
> West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
> Currently Shopping...
>
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76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] First Post [message #347529 is a reply to message #347526] |
Sun, 08 September 2019 22:44 |
Mike Kelley
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Mike - just N of Grand Rapids:
You need to take Ken H’s advice and attend the GMCMI convention.
6 years ago I went to their spring convention in Dothan, Ala. looking for just the rite GMC. Looked at 13 of them and bought the best one of the 13 - a 76 Eleganza II 26’ rear bed unit in Gr8 shape - still driving her today.
Going to Convention was best decision I ever made - long story - found the love of my life there also. 5 1/2 years of absolute bliss w/ the wife and the GMC. Just completed our 98th GMC trip in 5 1/2 years of marriage plus the GMC community is absolutely awesome.
Mike/The Corvair a holic
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 8, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Mike via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Well, we put on offer on one today, but were turned down. For everyone's memory, this is the one with the "seized" engine. I pulled the plugs and
> they were dry. I pulled the dip stick and it too was dry. I believe it was starved of oil and the main bearings are seized. That is just my guess
> though. This coach has a lot of desirable upgrades. Alcoa wheels, Dual Airbags, Full paint, new mirrors, Day/Night blinds.
>
> The headliner had been replaced and it doesn't look as though whoever did it did it properly. At least, the cabinets were not removed or rebuilt
> properly. So the shower was unusable because the all with the door had been cut apart and the fiberglass liner inside was not reinstalled. ALL of
> the window seals were pulling out and would need replacement. The upholstery was not done very well. The tucks were very wrinkled and the material
> was pulling away in areas. Another broken windshield. The Gen Set outer cover (part of the body) was cracked. The Paint was starting to crack and
> pull away in spots. The rear "clip" (I don't know what else to call it) had a bad spot in it. The roof had leaked or was leaking (evidence of water
> staining on the headliner). Wow...writing it out like that...I don't know why I put and Offer on it! LOL...Anyway, we walked away.
>
> I'll start a new thread here with our budget, how far we're willing to travel and what we're looking for and let the Hive mind start helping me
> search. This is starting to remind me of my search for a good Jeep Wrangler...Gotta look at a BUNCH of junk before you find the right one.
>
> --
> Mike and Jessica
> West Michigan (Just north of Grand Rapids)
> Currently Shopping...
>
>
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