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6cuda6 is currently offline  6cuda6   Canada
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Went to replace the 120v power cable plug and sure a sh*t the wires are green..... should one upgrade to 50amp or stay with 30? I need to replace my converter still so is the time to upgrame do 55amp converter and cable?

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346530 is a reply to message #346527] Fri, 16 August 2019 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like my original cord. It looks like a 50 amp and has a 50 amp plug. But it is actually a cord marked 40 amp.
A 50 amp cord is too thick and hard to wind. A 40 amp cord is plenty heavy and that is what GM supplied in the motorhome. Most people refer to it as a 50 amp.

The circuit breaker box has two 20 amp breakers so when the plug is connected to the receptacle in the electric compartment each line goes to a 20 amp breaker.

It will run two air conditioners a microwave, toaster and coffee pot and the electric water heater all at the same time

Emery Stora


> On Aug 16, 2019, at 3:33 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
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> Went to replace the 120v power cable plug and sure a sh*t the wires are green..... should one upgrade to 50amp or stay with 30? I need to replace my
> converter still so is the time to upgrame do 55amp converter and cable?
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346532 is a reply to message #346530] Fri, 16 August 2019 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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emerystora wrote on Fri, 16 August 2019 18:11
I like my original cord. It looks like a 50 amp and has a 50 amp plug. But it is actually a cord marked 40 amp.
A 50 amp cord is too thick and hard to wind. A 40 amp cord is plenty heavy and that is what GM supplied in the motorhome. Most people refer to it as a 50 amp.

The circuit breaker box has two 20 amp breakers so when the plug is connected to the receptacle in the electric compartment each line goes to a 20 amp breaker.

It will run two air conditioners a microwave, toaster and coffee pot and the electric water heater all at the same time

Emery Stora


> On Aug 16, 2019, at 3:33 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
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> Went to replace the 120v power cable plug and sure a sh*t the wires are green..... should one upgrade to 50amp or stay with 30? I need to replace my
> converter still so is the time to upgrame do 55amp converter and cable?
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My breaker box only has a 30amp main so i would have to upgrade everything i presume if i went up to a 40/50amp....am i getting this correct?


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346534 is a reply to message #346532] Fri, 16 August 2019 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WE have new and used 30 or 40 amp cables.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:37 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> emerystora wrote on Fri, 16 August 2019 18:11
>> I like my original cord. It looks like a 50 amp and has a 50 amp plug.
> But it is actually a cord marked 40 amp.
>> A 50 amp cord is too thick and hard to wind. A 40 amp cord is plenty
> heavy and that is what GM supplied in the motorhome. Most people refer to it
>> as a 50 amp.
>>
>> The circuit breaker box has two 20 amp breakers so when the plug is
> connected to the receptacle in the electric compartment each line goes to a
> 20
>> amp breaker.
>>
>> It will run two air conditioners a microwave, toaster and coffee pot and
> the electric water heater all at the same time
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2019, at 3:33 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
>>>
>>> Went to replace the 120v power cable plug and sure a sh*t the wires
> are green..... should one upgrade to 50amp or stay with 30? I need to
>>> replace my
>>> converter still so is the time to upgrame do 55amp converter and
> cable?
>>> --
>>> Rich Mondor,
>>>
>>> Brockville, ON
>>>
>>> 77 Hughes 2600
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> My breaker box only has a 30amp main so i would have to upgrade everything
> i presume if i went up to a 40/50amp....am i getting this correct?
>
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346541 is a reply to message #346532] Fri, 16 August 2019 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, the supply cable only needs to supply as much current as the main
breaker. And adaptation of the electrical system, including the circuit
breakers in the box, is NOT a trivial exercise -- definitely not something
for anyone to attempt who doesn't already know the implications (Such as
the fact that the OEM 40 amp cable is actually suitably wired for plugging
into a 240 vac socket!)

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On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 6:37 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> emerystora wrote on Fri, 16 August 2019 18:11
>> I like my original cord. It looks like a 50 amp and has a 50 amp plug.
> But it is actually a cord marked 40 amp.
>> A 50 amp cord is too thick and hard to wind. A 40 amp cord is plenty
> heavy and that is what GM supplied in the motorhome. Most people refer to it
>> as a 50 amp.
>>
>> The circuit breaker box has two 20 amp breakers so when the plug is
> connected to the receptacle in the electric compartment each line goes to a
> 20
>> amp breaker.
>>
>> It will run two air conditioners a microwave, toaster and coffee pot and
> the electric water heater all at the same time
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2019, at 3:33 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
>>>
>>> Went to replace the 120v power cable plug and sure a sh*t the wires
> are green..... should one upgrade to 50amp or stay with 30? I need to
>>> replace my
>>> converter still so is the time to upgrame do 55amp converter and
> cable?
>>> --
>>> Rich Mondor,
>>>
>>> Brockville, ON
>>>
>>> 77 Hughes 2600
>>>
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> My breaker box only has a 30amp main so i would have to upgrade everything
> i presume if i went up to a 40/50amp....am i getting this correct?
>
> --
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>
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346543 is a reply to message #346541] Fri, 16 August 2019 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
6cuda6 is currently offline  6cuda6   Canada
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Ken Henderson wrote on Fri, 16 August 2019 21:08
Yes, the supply cable only needs to supply as much current as the main
breaker. And adaptation of the electrical system, including the circuit
breakers in the box, is NOT a trivial exercise -- definitely not something
for anyone to attempt who doesn't already know the implications (Such as
the fact that the OEM 40 amp cable is actually suitably wired for plugging
into a 240 vac socket!)

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com


On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 6:37 PM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <
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> emerystora wrote on Fri, 16 August 2019 18:11
>> I like my original cord. It looks like a 50 amp and has a 50 amp plug.
> But it is actually a cord marked 40 amp.
>> A 50 amp cord is too thick and hard to wind. A 40 amp cord is plenty
> heavy and that is what GM supplied in the motorhome. Most people refer to it
>> as a 50 amp.
>>
>> The circuit breaker box has two 20 amp breakers so when the plug is
> connected to the receptacle in the electric compartment each line goes to a
> 20
>> amp breaker.
>>
>> It will run two air conditioners a microwave, toaster and coffee pot and
> the electric water heater all at the same time
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2019, at 3:33 PM, tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist wrote:
>>>
>>> Went to replace the 120v power cable plug and sure a sh*t the wires
> are green..... should one upgrade to 50amp or stay with 30? I need to
>>> replace my
>>> converter still so is the time to upgrame do 55amp converter and
> cable?
>>> --
>>> Rich Mondor,
>>>
>>> Brockville, ON
>>>
>>> 77 Hughes 2600
>>>
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> My breaker box only has a 30amp main so i would have to upgrade everything
> i presume if i went up to a 40/50amp....am i getting this correct?
>
> --
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Yup agreed....i know my transportation type electrical well but when it comes to house type eiectrical i have alot to learn.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346547 is a reply to message #346534] Fri, 16 August 2019 23:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless you have some compelling reason to have a larger capacity, I would stay with exactly what was originally installed originally. Upgrading to 50 (40amp) service requires some additional changes inside the power panel too. Keep in mind that 30 amp service is 120 volt service while 50 (40) amp service is 240 volt service . The change will require a second main breaker and changing the buss bars inside the breaker box.

Usually corroded (green) wires only extend 6 or 12 inches from the end of the cable. Trim off the first 6 or 12 inches and see if the wires are copper color again. If they are. install a new plug and use the old cable.


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346548 is a reply to message #346547] Sat, 17 August 2019 06:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 17 August 2019 00:16
Unless you have some compelling reason to have a larger capacity, I would stay with exactly what was originally installed originally. Upgrading to 50 (40amp) service requires some additional changes inside the power panel too. Keep in mind that 30 amp service is 120 volt service while 50 (40) amp service is 240 volt service . The change will require a second main breaker and changing the buss bars inside the breaker box.

Usually corroded (green) wires only extend 6 or 12 inches from the end of the cable. Trim off the first 6 or 12 inches and see if the wires are copper color again. If they are. install a new plug and use the old cable.
I actually cut it back 2 feet after i saw how bad it was to do exactly as you said but it is still peppered with green....so new cable its getting.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346549 is a reply to message #346548] Sat, 17 August 2019 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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6cuda6 wrote on Sat, 17 August 2019 06:49

I actually cut it back 2 feet after i saw how bad it was to do exactly as you said but it is still peppered with green....so new cable its getting.

Well, forget that idea.


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: Replacing shore power cable [message #346551 is a reply to message #346527] Sat, 17 August 2019 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rich, The local Surplus store has had 30A 25ft RV cords male to pigtail for under $20.00, you might want to check there if you have a local surplus store. I haven't seen them at my local store for a couple of months though.

I've seen them in the surplus section at Princess Auto from time to time as well.



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Re: Replacing shore power cable [message #346553 is a reply to message #346551] Sat, 17 August 2019 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RF_Burns wrote on Sat, 17 August 2019 09:24
Rich, The local Surplus store has had 30A 25ft RV cords male to pigtail for under $20.00, you might want to check there if you have a local surplus store. I haven't seen them at my local store for a couple of months though.

I've seen them in the surplus section at Princess Auto from time to time as well.

Thanks for the heads up Bruce....i figured Princess might have them but havent looked.


Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Replacing shore power cable [message #346554 is a reply to message #346553] Sat, 17 August 2019 09:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If i cant locate a power cable locally for reasonable price is there anything wrong with knocking the plug end off a 30amp RV extention cord and using it?

Rich Mondor, Brockville, ON 77 Hughes 2600
Re: Replacing shore power cable [message #346555 is a reply to message #346527] Sat, 17 August 2019 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing wrong at all. And if it is a removable socket, keep it or give it to someone making an extension cord.

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Re: [GMCnet] Replacing shore power cable [message #346574 is a reply to message #346555] Sun, 18 August 2019 07:55 Go to previous message
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I have a palm beach, so it may differ from your setup

I cut the main chord at about "18 from the base and put a new male end onto
it. I can plug it into the generator port easily, and no longer worry about
coiling in the box. I purchased a 50 amp extension cable from Amazon and
use that to connect to shore power now. That chord comes with me inside the
coach when we travel.

I also placed a female end onto the original cable and use that cable when
i am at home

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> Nothing wrong at all. And if it is a removable socket, keep it or give it
> to someone making an extension cord.
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