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Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345808] Mon, 29 July 2019 08:59 Go to next message
Will Albers is currently offline  Will Albers   United States
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I have wonderful auto administered undercoating that loves to drip from the engine, and down onto the main crossmember below the fan. There is so much built up, that i expect this has been going on for a while. I've replaced the valve cover gaskets, and can now verify they are not the source. The oil doesnt seem biased to one side or another. The whole front of the engine is wet from mid point down.

Is it possible to spring a leak at the intake to head surface? Is it more likely a leak behind the timing gear, or possibly pulleys? What are the more common leaks from the front of a 403?

For what it is worth, my coolant and oil are clean. Not burning any noticeable amounts.

Thanks
-Will


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Re: Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345812 is a reply to message #345808] Mon, 29 July 2019 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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Start with easy stuff--oil gauge sender. They can leak where press assembled. Since up high in front and oil flows with gravity and fan wind-- well you get the picture

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Re: [GMCnet] Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345817 is a reply to message #345812] Mon, 29 July 2019 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Mechanical fuel pump port is a very common cause.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 7:43 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <
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> Start with easy stuff--oil gauge sender. They can leak where press
> assembled. Since up high in front and oil flows with gravity and fan wind--
> well
> you get the picture
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Re: [GMCnet] Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345818 is a reply to message #345817] Mon, 29 July 2019 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will Albers is currently offline  Will Albers   United States
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ooo, interesting. It does seem at that height! Thanks gents!

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:46 AM James Hupy via Gmclist <
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> Mechanical fuel pump port is a very common cause.
> Jim Hupy
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> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 7:43 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Start with easy stuff--oil gauge sender. They can leak where press
>> assembled. Since up high in front and oil flows with gravity and fan
> wind--
>> well
>> you get the picture
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>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
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Re: Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345819 is a reply to message #345808] Mon, 29 July 2019 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Scott Nutter is currently offline  Scott Nutter   United States
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I've had a similar issue on my 455. Turned out to be the front intake manifold seal..
Scott.


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Re: [GMCnet] Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345821 is a reply to message #345819] Mon, 29 July 2019 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Take some break cleaner and clean the mess a the top area ad work down.


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> I've had a similar issue on my 455. Turned out to be the front intake
> manifold seal..
> Scott.
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Re: Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345846 is a reply to message #345808] Tue, 30 July 2019 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Front intake manifold gasket / seal. It is really is a rubber seal or if it has been replaced it is a smashed silicone bead. If necessary, It is possible to reseal it without removing the manifold. Clean the area thoroughly with brake cleaner. Then coat the seam with silicone and apply a shop vac to the oil fill tube with the PCV valve removed and taped off. It is not pretty but it works.

There should be no or minimal pressure in there but if the PCV is not working then crankcase pressure will build up and leak through the weakest point. I would replace the PCV first to see if it makes any difference. It is cheap and easy.


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Re: [GMCnet] Common front of engine oil leaks [message #345849 is a reply to message #345846] Tue, 30 July 2019 08:09 Go to previous message
Will Albers is currently offline  Will Albers   United States
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Thanks Ken! That vacuum idea is a great one!



On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 8:53 AM Ken Burton via Gmclist <
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> Front intake manifold gasket / seal. It is really is a rubber seal or if
> it has been replaced it is a smashed silicone bead. If necessary, It is
> possible to reseal it without removing the manifold. Clean the area
> thoroughly with brake cleaner. Then coat the seam with silicone and apply
> a shop
> vac to the oil fill tube with the PCV valve removed and taped off. It is
> not pretty but it works.
>
> There should be no or minimal pressure in there but if the PCV is not
> working then crankcase pressure will build up and leak through the weakest
> point. I would replace the PCV first to see if it makes any difference.
> It is cheap and easy.
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> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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