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| Re: [GMCnet] Stranded: Ignition switch, key switch or starter solenoid? [message #345197] |
Fri, 12 July 2019 18:33  |
Ek_Lektro
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hey Jon,
Thanks for mentioning to “reach over the tire” to get to the solenoid connections. i couldn’t see it from this angle without jacking it up, but once i raised it about 6”, it was easy to reach in and get it to start with a screwdriver,… and then we drove it on home! (Manipulating the screwdriver from the bottom definitely looked more difficult, so i was saving this trick for the last resort..., once i ran out of options)
Also, coming in from this tire angle, being able to reach the terminals easier, it looks like i’d also be able to swap the starter without having to do an oil/filter change, ha ha!
I”m heading down to Autozone to get an ignitions switch. And even if this solves the problem, it might be time to swap the starter anyway,, BECAUSE: the smaller wire going to the solenoid: when i try to tighten it for a better connection, it just turns the whole thing… probably broken off inside… cheap… (Duralast). So... i might have had 2 competing problems all along, but now i’m at my home garage, so let’s see what i can do.
> You likely need a new battery. That is probably you had to use the boost in the past.
Hey Emery, Because this problem came on rather quickly, i wasn’t really suspecting the battery, since batteries for me seem to go bad over a longer period of time (unless it gets fully discharged of course). But looking closer at the battery today, i can see that one of the cells is very low on water. So i’ll put in some distilled and give it a good charge, and keep my eye on that as well, thanks!
> Having to turn the key twice is indicative of a failing ignition switch.
Let’s hope this is the worst of it :)
Thanks again to all who offered advice, cheers!
Greg
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stranded: Ignition switch, key switch or starter solenoid? [message #345198 is a reply to message #345197] |
Fri, 12 July 2019 18:45  |
Bruce Hart
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Greg,
You can replace just the solenoid and not the whole starter assembly.
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/ECHST124?searchCategory=c11.s4&searchIndex=Universal
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 5:34 PM Ek Lektro via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> hey Jon,
> Thanks for mentioning to “reach over the tire” to get to the solenoid
> connections. i couldn’t see it from this angle without jacking it up, but
> once i raised it about 6”, it was easy to reach in and get it to start with
> a screwdriver,… and then we drove it on home! (Manipulating the
> screwdriver from the bottom definitely looked more difficult, so i was
> saving this trick for the last resort..., once i ran out of options)
> Also, coming in from this tire angle, being able to reach the terminals
> easier, it looks like i’d also be able to swap the starter without having
> to do an oil/filter change, ha ha!
>
> I”m heading down to Autozone to get an ignitions switch. And even if this
> solves the problem, it might be time to swap the starter anyway,, BECAUSE:
> the smaller wire going to the solenoid: when i try to tighten it for a
> better connection, it just turns the whole thing… probably broken off
> inside… cheap… (Duralast). So... i might have had 2 competing problems
> all along, but now i’m at my home garage, so let’s see what i can do.
>
>> You likely need a new battery. That is probably you had to use the
> boost in the past.
>
> Hey Emery, Because this problem came on rather quickly, i wasn’t really
> suspecting the battery, since batteries for me seem to go bad over a longer
> period of time (unless it gets fully discharged of course). But looking
> closer at the battery today, i can see that one of the cells is very low on
> water. So i’ll put in some distilled and give it a good charge, and keep
> my eye on that as well, thanks!
>
>> Having to turn the key twice is indicative of a failing ignition switch.
>
> Let’s hope this is the worst of it :)
> Thanks again to all who offered advice, cheers!
> Greg
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stranded: Ignition switch, key switch or starter solenoid? [message #345199 is a reply to message #345198] |
Fri, 12 July 2019 19:13 |
James Hupy
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Yes, you can change the solenoid, but, the current supply has a contact
disc made of a light weight material with a copper plating on the contact
surface.
Original G.M. solenoids have a solid copper disc that is reversible
to expose a smooth contact surface once again. They are far superior to
presently available ones. The rebuilder that I use here in Salem for
starters and Alternators will only use genuine Delco parts for rebuilding.
His stuff isn't cheap, but it lasts, and he stands behind it.
Jim Hupy
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 4:45 PM Bruce Hart via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Greg,
> You can replace just the solenoid and not the whole starter assembly.
>
> https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/ECHST124?searchCategory=c11.s4&searchIndex=Universal
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 5:34 PM Ek Lektro via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> hey Jon,
>> Thanks for mentioning to “reach over the tire” to get to the solenoid
>> connections. i couldn’t see it from this angle without jacking it up,
> but
>> once i raised it about 6”, it was easy to reach in and get it to start
> with
>> a screwdriver,… and then we drove it on home! (Manipulating the
>> screwdriver from the bottom definitely looked more difficult, so i was
>> saving this trick for the last resort..., once i ran out of options)
>> Also, coming in from this tire angle, being able to reach the terminals
>> easier, it looks like i’d also be able to swap the starter without having
>> to do an oil/filter change, ha ha!
>>
>> I”m heading down to Autozone to get an ignitions switch. And even if
> this
>> solves the problem, it might be time to swap the starter anyway,,
> BECAUSE:
>> the smaller wire going to the solenoid: when i try to tighten it for a
>> better connection, it just turns the whole thing… probably broken off
>> inside… cheap… (Duralast). So... i might have had 2 competing problems
>> all along, but now i’m at my home garage, so let’s see what i can do.
>>
>>> You likely need a new battery. That is probably you had to use the
>> boost in the past.
>>
>> Hey Emery, Because this problem came on rather quickly, i wasn’t really
>> suspecting the battery, since batteries for me seem to go bad over a
> longer
>> period of time (unless it gets fully discharged of course). But looking
>> closer at the battery today, i can see that one of the cells is very low
> on
>> water. So i’ll put in some distilled and give it a good charge, and keep
>> my eye on that as well, thanks!
>>
>>> Having to turn the key twice is indicative of a failing ignition
> switch.
>>
>> Let’s hope this is the worst of it :)
>> Thanks again to all who offered advice, cheers!
>> Greg
>>
>>
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> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
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| Re: [GMCnet] Stranded: Ignition switch, key switch or starter solenoid? [message #345200 is a reply to message #345197] |
Fri, 12 July 2019 19:38 |
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Matt Colie
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Greg,
Glad you made it home.
The fact that you made it start with a screwdriver without incinerating the tool means that the starter is not likely your problem.
Lets be clear here....
Did you cross the small terminal on the solenoid with the large terminal on there?
--- If you did and it cranked. then the starter is not your issue. (today)
--- If you crossed the two big terminals (and the tool got hot) then, yes, the solenoid is the issue. In this case, the starter needs to come out. The solenoid used on out 10MT starter is the same one used be all of GM from the time the Arc grounded until recently (not quite last week). They are in expensive and easy to change out.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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