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Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343321] Wed, 15 May 2019 06:04 Go to next message
skip2 is currently offline  skip2   United States
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Good morning all, for those that have had to replace their harmonic balancer for one reason or another what has proven to be the best and the right one the first time. I know it seems simple but there are a lot of options out there and I want to have the right one when I go to change out the crank seal. Been reading that the double roller chain is the best option for timing chain and will out live me. The paper work from the PO lists the Melling 40409 was installed when he rebuilt the motor. I'm going to check it through the fuel pump mount hole for slack. What has been the experience with double roller timing chains out there. As usual, Thanks.
Skip Hartline


74 Canyon Lands, FiTech, 3.7 FD LSD, Manny Tranny, Springfield Distributor, 2001 Chevy Tracker Ragtop Towd
Re: Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343357 is a reply to message #343321] Wed, 15 May 2019 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Airglades is currently offline  Airglades   United States
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How about a gear drive.. from my old racing days never worry about slack...they sell a "quiet" option as the racing version is quite noisy
Re: [GMCnet] Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343362 is a reply to message #343321] Wed, 15 May 2019 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Miller is currently offline  Jim Miller   United States
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On May 15, 2019, at 7:04 AM, Skip Hartline via Gmclist wrote:

> Been reading that the double roller chain is the best option for timing chain and will out live me. The paper work from the PO lists the Melling 40409 was installed when he rebuilt the motor. I'm going to check it through the fuel pump mount hole for slack. What has been the experience with double roller timing chains out there.

My OEM chain with the plastic sprockets had 1” of side-to-side play when I replaced it at 57,000 miles during other engine work. New part was a Cloyes 9-3113 set ($106 from Summit Racing in 5/2012) with crank sprocket set to a +4deg setting as advised by Dick Paterson. No complaints whatsoever in 12,000 miles accumulated so far.

I would NEVER install one of the gear-driven timing assemblies - just because racers use them does not mean we should. I completely trust what Mr. Paterson has to say when it comes to a 455 used in the GMC MH application and his advice was a double-roller chain set so that is what I used.

—Jim

Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH




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Re: [GMCnet] Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343364 is a reply to message #343362] Thu, 16 May 2019 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Airglades is currently offline  Airglades   United States
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Just to clarify I never suggested to use the racing confounded quite the reverse the quiet drive is not racing it's a street application but that's fine I was just voicing an opinion I have 230000 miles on my big block Chevy pickup with the gear drive the timing is dead on because there is no slack several oem's used gear to gear however as I said I am new to the GMC motorhome thing maybe a gear drive is not the way to go
Re: [GMCnet] Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343365 is a reply to message #343364] Thu, 16 May 2019 02:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Airglades is currently offline  Airglades   United States
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Sorry I typed confounded instead of configuration
Re: Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343426 is a reply to message #343321] Fri, 17 May 2019 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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If it truly is quiet - I'd have to see one - it's a perfectly good idea.... but I suspect compared to a good double roller, it's overkill. Both of them ought to outlast the engine.


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Re: Harmonic balancer/ timing chain [message #343443 is a reply to message #343426] Sat, 18 May 2019 09:25 Go to previous message
ebyker is currently offline  ebyker   Canada
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Has anyone used a fluid damper on a olds 455 did it make a noticeable difference I put one on my 6.2 diesel it is way smother and revs quicker
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