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Mon, 18 March 2019 20:22  |
k2gkk
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I'm thinking that I wish to do a tranny swap at same time as engine swap. I wonder if the Monster Transmissions are available with different final drives. I guess that is two separate items. I wish to go 3:55 or 3:70/3:73.
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| [GMCnet] CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) coach wiring ? [message #341787 is a reply to message #341785] |
Mon, 18 March 2019 20:52  |
Stu Rasmussen
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Hi all,
I am contemplating using copper clad aluminum stranded hookup wire for
retrofitting my gutted coach.
Compared to stranded copper wire it is _much_ less expensive even
considering having to upsize one wire size to compensate for the reduced
conductivity.
Solid aluminum house wiring was problematic (even using the special
Al/Cu connectors) and its use was limited after houses wired with it
started catching fire.
The copper-clad version seems safe but I am wondering if anyone here has
experience with it in rewiring automotive applications.
Thanks in advance,
Stu
Stu
Silverton, OR - W7QJ
'74 gutted Eleganza
Odd that when a house burns down, the only things left standing are the
chimney and the fireplace.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341788 is a reply to message #341785] |
Mon, 18 March 2019 21:04 |
Carl S.
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Mac,
I just took a quick look at Monster Transmission's website and didn't come up with any results for a TH425 transmission there. I suspect your best bet would be to either find a competent local transmission re-builder who knows the rear wheel drive TH400, or send it off to Manny or the guy some of the midwestern guys are using (contact Jon Roche or Larry Weidner for the name). As far as I know, Jim Kanamota is the exclusive source for the 3.55 or 3.70 final drives.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341791 is a reply to message #341789] |
Mon, 18 March 2019 22:01 |
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Tom Lins
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Kosier wrote on Mon, 18 March 2019 22:11Mac,
Since the lower gears only come from Kanomata and there's only a few people
with the tools and experience
to set them up, I would recommend that you start making arrangements soon.
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio
We just had Jeff Sirum rework our final drive to 3.55.
Tom Lins
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| Re: [GMCnet] CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) coach wiring ? [message #341792 is a reply to message #341787] |
Mon, 18 March 2019 22:35 |
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You do NOT want to use copper clad wire. Period. If there was ANY price/performance advantage, it would have been adopted along time ago as standard. Give a call. I can give you the gory details, should not take longer than 45 min.
> On March 18, 2019 at 6:52 "Stu Rasmussen (97381.com) via Gmclist" wrote:
do not>
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> Hi all,
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> I am contemplating using copper clad aluminum stranded hookup wire for
> retrofitting my gutted coach.
>
> Compared to stranded copper wire it is _much_ less expensive even
> considering having to upsize one wire size to compensate for the reduced
> conductivity.
>
> Solid aluminum house wiring was problematic (even using the special
> Al/Cu connectors) and its use was limited after houses wired with it
> started catching fire.
>
> The copper-clad version seems safe but I am wondering if anyone here has
> experience with it in rewiring automotive applications.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Stu
>
> Stu
> Silverton, OR - W7QJ
> '74 gutted Eleganza
>
> Odd that when a house burns down, the only things left standing are the
> chimney and the fireplace.
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| Re: [GMCnet] CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) coach wiring ? [message #341793 is a reply to message #341790] |
Mon, 18 March 2019 22:41 |
Stu Rasmussen
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OK, so I should use a blank email to start a new forum topic so it
creates a new thread and associated headers?
I'll look at marine-grade ($$$) wire and count my pennies. Oh wait,
they're copper too :)
Thanks!
Stu
On 3/18/2019 7:42 PM, Matt Colie via Gmclist wrote:
> Stu,
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> Two things:
> You are working the group as e-mail. When you just change the topic, it still links to the same thread for everybody on the list and the forum.
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> Second, no matter how much the premium for real copper, it will still only be a small part of the over-all cost of the job.
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> My advice, look at the marine supplier for stranded copper.
>
> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) coach wiring ? [message #341801 is a reply to message #341793] |
Tue, 19 March 2019 03:01 |
Hal StClair
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At least use copper, you'll be happy, happy, happy later on.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) coach wiring ? [message #341802 is a reply to message #341787] |
Tue, 19 March 2019 03:10 |
k2gkk
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Simply put, I would NOT!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
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Since 30 November '53
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'76 ex-Palm Beach
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Subject: [GMCnet] CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) coach wiring ?
Hi all,
I am contemplating using copper clad aluminum stranded hookup wire for
retrofitting my gutted coach.
Compared to stranded copper wire it is _much_ less expensive even
considering having to upsize one wire size to compensate for the reduced
conductivity.
Solid aluminum house wiring was problematic (even using the special
Al/Cu connectors) and its use was limited after houses wired with it
started catching fire.
The copper-clad version seems safe but I am wondering if anyone here has
experience with it in rewiring automotive applications.
Thanks in advance,
Stu
Stu
Silverton, OR - W7QJ
'74 gutted Eleganza
Odd that when a house burns down, the only things left standing are the
chimney and the fireplace.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341811 is a reply to message #341785] |
Tue, 19 March 2019 12:26 |
Ken Burton
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I hope this gets posted to the correct topic. This thread has transmission and copper wire mixed together.
I have on my had 2 cases where I got involved with aluminum wiring. Both were bad.
One was a 250 feet run between the utility pole and a large pole barn. One conductor burned in half under ground. It took me a while to locate the break and then I was out there with my back hoe digging around to actually find it. I repaired it. I wanted to replace the run but my farmer neighbor overruled me. Two years later I was out there again repairing at second spot about 60 feet away. He later died and the property got split requiring a different utility pole and a new all copper run. The power company here refuses to connect any new or repaired service that is not copper. That took care of the problem permanently.
The second was my daughter's house where one leg burned up inside the CB box in her basement. I ended up replacing the guts of the CB box and the cable between it and the meter box outside. They wanted me to also replace the cable between the box and the weather head. I won the argument only because it was grandfathered in and had not been disturbed by my repairs.
I believe aluminum wire was popular in the 40's and 50's and was started by the copper shortage during WWII.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341813 is a reply to message #341811] |
Tue, 19 March 2019 13:12 |
James Hupy
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Aluminum makes pretty good airplanes and beer cans. Other than that, I
can't think of too many uses where some other metal won't do just as well
or better. Henry Ford tried it on his 24 stud flatheads, but after they
had been in place for a couple of years, you had to remove all the nuts
from the head studs and start the engine to get them off. Even the after
market heads like Navarro or Sharp, or Vic Edelbrock were a bitch to get
off. Some of them we had to pull the studs to remove.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 10:34 AM Ken Burton via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> I hope this gets posted to the correct topic. This thread has
> transmission and copper wire mixed together.
>
> I have on my had 2 cases where I got involved with aluminum wiring. Both
> were bad.
>
> One was a 250 feet run between the utility pole and a large pole barn.
> One conductor burned in half under ground. It took me a while to locate the
> break and then I was out there with my back hoe digging around to actually
> find it. I repaired it. I wanted to replace the run but my farmer
> neighbor overruled me. Two years later I was out there again repairing at
> second spot about 60 feet away. He later died and the property got split
> requiring a different utility pole and a new all copper run. The power
> company here refuses to connect any new or repaired service that is not
> copper. That took care of the problem permanently.
>
> The second was my daughter's house where one leg burned up inside the CB
> box in her basement. I ended up replacing the guts of the CB box and the
> cable between it and the meter box outside. They wanted me to also
> replace the cable between the box and the weather head. I won the argument
> only
> because it was grandfathered in and had not been disturbed by my repairs.
>
> I believe aluminum wire was popular in the 40's and 50's and was started
> by the copper shortage during WWII.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341820 is a reply to message #341813] |
Tue, 19 March 2019 17:20 |
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Wheels Hupy.
Sully
Bellevue wa.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:36 AM James Hupy via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Aluminum makes pretty good airplanes and beer cans. Other than that, I
> can't think of too many uses where some other metal won't do just as well
> or better. Henry Ford tried it on his 24 stud flatheads, but after they
> had been in place for a couple of years, you had to remove all the nuts
> from the head studs and start the engine to get them off. Even the after
> market heads like Navarro or Sharp, or Vic Edelbrock were a bitch to get
> off. Some of them we had to pull the studs to remove.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 10:34 AM Ken Burton via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I hope this gets posted to the correct topic. This thread has
>> transmission and copper wire mixed together.
>>
>> I have on my had 2 cases where I got involved with aluminum wiring. Both
>> were bad.
>>
>> One was a 250 feet run between the utility pole and a large pole barn.
>> One conductor burned in half under ground. It took me a while to locate
> the
>> break and then I was out there with my back hoe digging around to
> actually
>> find it. I repaired it. I wanted to replace the run but my farmer
>> neighbor overruled me. Two years later I was out there again repairing
> at
>> second spot about 60 feet away. He later died and the property got
> split
>> requiring a different utility pole and a new all copper run. The power
>> company here refuses to connect any new or repaired service that is not
>> copper. That took care of the problem permanently.
>>
>> The second was my daughter's house where one leg burned up inside the CB
>> box in her basement. I ended up replacing the guts of the CB box and the
>> cable between it and the meter box outside. They wanted me to also
>> replace the cable between the box and the weather head. I won the
> argument
>> only
>> because it was grandfathered in and had not been disturbed by my repairs.
>>
>> I believe aluminum wire was popular in the 40's and 50's and was started
>> by the copper shortage during WWII.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341822 is a reply to message #341820] |
Tue, 19 March 2019 18:12 |
Dolph Santorine
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Aluminum wheels look great, too.
But I can’t recall the first (or last time), I argued with a flathead!
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Sullybilt Bags, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Mar 19, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Todd Sullivan via Gmclist wrote:
>
> Wheels Hupy.
>
>
> Sully
> Bellevue wa.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:36 AM James Hupy via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Aluminum makes pretty good airplanes and beer cans. Other than that, I
>> can't think of too many uses where some other metal won't do just as well
>> or better. Henry Ford tried it on his 24 stud flatheads, but after they
>> had been in place for a couple of years, you had to remove all the nuts
>> from the head studs and start the engine to get them off. Even the after
>> market heads like Navarro or Sharp, or Vic Edelbrock were a bitch to get
>> off. Some of them we had to pull the studs to remove.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 10:34 AM Ken Burton via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope this gets posted to the correct topic. This thread has
>>> transmission and copper wire mixed together.
>>>
>>> I have on my had 2 cases where I got involved with aluminum wiring. Both
>>> were bad.
>>>
>>> One was a 250 feet run between the utility pole and a large pole barn.
>>> One conductor burned in half under ground. It took me a while to locate
>> the
>>> break and then I was out there with my back hoe digging around to
>> actually
>>> find it. I repaired it. I wanted to replace the run but my farmer
>>> neighbor overruled me. Two years later I was out there again repairing
>> at
>>> second spot about 60 feet away. He later died and the property got
>> split
>>> requiring a different utility pole and a new all copper run. The power
>>> company here refuses to connect any new or repaired service that is not
>>> copper. That took care of the problem permanently.
>>>
>>> The second was my daughter's house where one leg burned up inside the CB
>>> box in her basement. I ended up replacing the guts of the CB box and the
>>> cable between it and the meter box outside. They wanted me to also
>>> replace the cable between the box and the weather head. I won the
>> argument
>>> only
>>> because it was grandfathered in and had not been disturbed by my repairs.
>>>
>>> I believe aluminum wire was popular in the 40's and 50's and was started
>>> by the copper shortage during WWII.
>>> --
>>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>>> 76 Palm Beach
>>> Hebron, Indiana
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341864 is a reply to message #341785] |
Wed, 20 March 2019 18:38 |
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Our first house was a farm home tract out there. I took the electrician who was doing the whole neighborhood 250 feet of 12-2 and ground in copper and told him to call me if he needed any more. In the interim one place burned and the others all haddabe rewired.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Final Drive and Transmission Suppliers [message #341879 is a reply to message #341864] |
Wed, 20 March 2019 21:23 |
jimk
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I can tell anyone that 3,55 is not the most ideal ratio, but the 3.70 is
the gear.
Does not matter how flat the road is, the wind drag is substantial enough
to make the difference.
The late Marvin Peck (Gearmaster) told me to make that ratio, and glad I
listened to him.
You do not lose gas mileage at all as your driving in the torque curve.
Yes I am an engineer, but a good enough technician and know what gear ratio
can and cannot do for the motor homes.
Just spoke with an engineer that had no knowledge between our low torque
headers and a standard headers, I see why people have little regard for
engineers as they are not familiar with things that technicians know and
understand.
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 4:42 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Our first house was a farm home tract out there. I took the electrician
> who was doing the whole neighborhood 250 feet of 12-2 and ground in copper
> and told him to call me if he needed any more. In the interim one place
> burned and the others all haddabe rewired.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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