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Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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John L.,
Did you get my PM or email?
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Re: [GMCnet] John L. [message #340123 is a reply to message #340122] Wed, 16 January 2019 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Who is john l ?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 5:18 PM Larry wrote:

> John L.,
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Re: John L. [message #340124 is a reply to message #340122] Wed, 16 January 2019 06:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm thinking he is looking for John Lebetski, JohnL455.

He messaged him in the recent "Coolant / water question" where John L. had posted as well.



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Re: [GMCnet] John L. [message #340125 is a reply to message #340123] Wed, 16 January 2019 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That would be John Lebetski.

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Re: John L. [message #340126 is a reply to message #340122] Wed, 16 January 2019 06:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry,
He's on the Facebook Classic GMC Motorhome group as well if you cannot contact him here.


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Re: John L. [message #340128 is a reply to message #340122] Wed, 16 January 2019 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry I did not see either. John.

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Re: John L. [message #340131 is a reply to message #340128] Wed, 16 January 2019 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John,
Are you still at :
gransport7087@gmail.com

Well, anyway, here is the note I sent you at that gmail account and a PM from GMCforum.

John,
Do you have access to or have info where I can get an accumulator that will work with our PM's?

I just bought a PM as a back-up that has a weak accumulator, and I suspect that the accumulator in the one I got from you is weak. The motor runs about every 5 seconds or so for about 2 seconds.

TIA

Larry. Smile


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Re: John L. [message #340135 is a reply to message #340122] Thu, 17 January 2019 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry that email was just to use this site when AOL became unsupported. Cardone sells a repurposed slightly larger unit that works. Sellers on eBay or Kirbanperformance.com. About $200. But your symptoms are not perse accumulator though that may be weak too. Pump running repeatedly is usually check valve or can be internal leak in master ( less likely). Discharge unit key off 10 pedal applications and disconnectt the pressure line entering side of MC. Use a small easy out to pull out the check valve seat assy and spring with poppet. Clean and if needed the plastic poppet can be refaced gently with a sheet of 1500 wet on a glass or granite surface. Very lightly and at 90 to the surface reface the poppet with a few circular actions. Is all the air bled out? If foaming the volume will drop as foam settles and cause pump to run again. Or a spec of dirt can cause leak down. They all had no leak down on test jig. Weak accumulator is usually "runs with pedal apply" or just one apply. With a fresh accumulator you should get 2 applies then run.

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Re: John L. [message #340147 is a reply to message #340135] Thu, 17 January 2019 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnL455 wrote on Thu, 17 January 2019 08:22
Sorry that email was just to use this site when AOL became unsupported. Cardone sells a repurposed slightly larger unit that works. Sellers on eBay or Kirbanperformance.com. About $200. But your symptoms are not perse accumulator though that may be weak too. Pump running repeatedly is usually check valve or can be internal leak in master ( less likely). Discharge unit key off 10 pedal applications and disconnectt the pressure line entering side of MC. Use a small easy out to pull out the check valve seat assy and spring with poppet. Clean and if needed the plastic poppet can be refaced gently with a sheet of 1500 wet on a glass or granite surface. Very lightly and at 90 to the surface reface the poppet with a few circular actions. Is all the air bled out? If foaming the volume will drop as foam settles and cause pump to run again. Or a spec of dirt can cause leak down. They all had no leak down on test jig. Weak accumulator is usually "runs with pedal apply" or just one apply. With a fresh accumulator you should get 2 applies then run.

John,
Well, it does run with continous pedal apply. Only take one apply to run motor. Runs every time I apply pedal pressure.
Larry


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Re: John L. [message #340150 is a reply to message #340122] Fri, 18 January 2019 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ok that is a slightly different symptom description than the original. You need an accumulator, but we knew that. That should fix it.

John Lebetski
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Re: John L. [message #340160 is a reply to message #340150] Fri, 18 January 2019 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 18 January 2019 08:23
Ok that is a slightly different symptom description than the original. You need an accumulator, but we knew that. That should fix it.
John,

Ya, it actually does both...
The motor runs about every 5 seconds or so for about 2 seconds....when no foot on brake mostly after driving for a while. When I first hit the switch in the morning, it will run for 6 seconds or so to charge it, and not run then until down the road. And it does run with continuous pedal apply about once per second for a second, like when at a stop sign. Only takes one apply to run motor. Runs every time I apply pedal pressure.

So, thanks for the advice. I'll be getting the one from Kirbanperformance. Anything else you can think of while I'm working it?


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Re: John L. [message #340162 is a reply to message #340122] Fri, 18 January 2019 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is the pedal set to fully unload not applied? Just looking for an explanation for the occasional running. New accumulator typically has pump start during 3rd apply. So you get 2 normal stops on just stored accumulator pressure.

John Lebetski
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Re: John L. [message #340163 is a reply to message #340162] Fri, 18 January 2019 14:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 18 January 2019 13:48
Is the pedal set to fully unload not applied? Just looking for an explanation for the occasional running. New accumulator typically has pump start during 3rd apply. So you get 2 normal stops on just stored accumulator pressure.
Yes it is. I actually lifted the pedal with my foot with no change.

I need to remove the accumulator from my spare and know that I should do 10 strokes to make sure the accumulator is empty. Do I have to have brake fluid in the MC to preform this or is it OK to do it dry?


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Re: John L. [message #340182 is a reply to message #340122] Sat, 19 January 2019 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Either way and only fed from the inboard reservoir. A towel will catch the few drips as you unscrew the old accumulator.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: John L. [message #340197 is a reply to message #340162] Sat, 19 January 2019 19:49 Go to previous message
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JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 18 January 2019 13:48
Is the pedal set to fully unload not applied? Just looking for an explanation for the occasional running. New accumulator typically has pump start during 3rd apply. So you get 2 normal stops on just stored accumulator pressure.
Is the pedal set to fully unload not applied? As far as I know....yes, but will double check it. Again...thanks for the help/advise.


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