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| Re: Honda generator [message #339407 is a reply to message #339401] |
Fri, 07 December 2018 21:58   |
lqqkatjon
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All over the place. $500-$2000.
Paying more knowing it is working and running is a plus. Note the fuel pump on that one. Parts cost $$$. If you need to fix anything. The muffler is also a plus.
If it is close to you, and runs well. It is probably a good price. A new rebuilt one is like $4000, and new onans are that or more. So you have to make your judgment if it ia worth it to you.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339413 is a reply to message #339401] |
Sat, 08 December 2018 07:30 |
jhbridges
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On the plus side, they're Honda reliable (Motorcycle, not autos), and being water cooled quiets them a bit.
On the minus side they're expensive, parts are expensive, they're 3600 RPM which overcomes the water jacked noise reduction, the cooling system makes them complex.
You get to decide whether they're worth it or not. The people who have them are for the most part happy with them. I've owned too much Honda stuff over the years to be interested in one.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339415 is a reply to message #339401] |
Sat, 08 December 2018 09:22 |
Scott Nutter
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Location: Houston/San Diego
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Harry,
When I was buying EV6010's it was a few years ago. I was doing craigslist searches down here in Texas. I believe I was paying between $600 and $800 US per generator. But they all needed some minor repairs. One was a oil leek at the oil pump. Not really a pain to replace the gasket, but the generator stater had to be removed to access the oil pump.
If it runs smooth and doesn't leek, it should be good to go. That one is a good one for a RV, because of the 2 circuits. Some Honda's are 220 volts.
They are not any quieter than the Onan, they are a little more high pitched because of the higher RPM that they run at. Most of the noise on the Honda is from the cooling fan in the engine compartment (not the radiator fan).
Pinellas power products (Paul) 727-439-2872 is the place to go to for any tech advice or parts on the Honda. Parts can be bought cheaper on the interweb, but I like going through Paul for all.
Four stroke and watered cooled!! And they don't make them anymore. So I don't think they will get any cheaper.
If it makes any difference, I have one that I went completely through to replace my Onan. But the Onan WILL NOT DIE!!! So the Honda still sits and waits.....
Good luck,
Scott
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339423 is a reply to message #339401] |
Sat, 08 December 2018 12:38 |
Hal StClair
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Location: Rio Rancho NM
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My brother has a 6000 in his 5th wheel that I installed a number of years ago. Actually took it out of his previous fiver I'd installed it in a few years prior to that. Long story short, he's about to buy another fifth wheel and has decided not to 'let' me re-re install the gen set. I guess only putting about 10 hours on it in some 15 or so years (maybe more, it was new when I first installed it) doesn't necessitate a generator. I told him to remove the generator before trading it in as there would probably be a market for a 10 hour Honda 6000. Should know more in a couple of months.
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339425 is a reply to message #339401] |
Sat, 08 December 2018 12:48 |
jhbridges
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Hal, I couldn't find a picture of a Hionda 6000. I hjafta wonder though, will it fit a GMC?
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda generator [message #339428 is a reply to message #339425] |
Sat, 08 December 2018 14:04 |
jimk
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We sell the Onan-Cummins unit at very conpetitive price.
They called us own as we were publishing the pries on our web site.
The 5.5 unit sells for less than $ 4,000
On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:49 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
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> Hal, I couldn't find a picture of a Hionda 6000. I hjafta wonder though,
> will it fit a GMC?
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> --johnny
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> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
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> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339432 is a reply to message #339425] |
Sat, 08 December 2018 21:23 |
Hal StClair
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 08 December 2018 11:48Hal, I couldn't find a picture of a Hionda 6000. I hjafta wonder though, will it fit a GMC?
--johnny
Well Johnny, if you've seen an EV4010 you've just about seen the EV6010. Lots of them in GMC's though they run at 3600 vs 1800 so the noise isn't much different.
Have a look see: http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/31zb5801.pdf
Hal
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339433 is a reply to message #339401] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 07:40 |
jhbridges
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I misunderstood the post to say 6000. Contractor set. I've seen the RV sets, which end in 10.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda generator [message #339434 is a reply to message #339433] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 08:02 |
Dolph Santorine
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I’ve been doing some research on our coaches regarding the power, and it directly relates to the generator (or sort of).
A Great Laker who was employed by GM when our coaches were built insists that they were all made with 50 amp service.
I’ve done quite a deep dive on the parts book and the service guides and he appears to be correct.
The only cord listed is 50 amp, and the number of coaches fitted with a 30 amp plug in the 50 amp cutout (in the cord bin on the side of the coach) is very high.
Does anyone have additional information?
The 30 amp cord seem to be an “previous owner” convenience add on.
But some things don’t make sense. Why have a 30 amp cord (3.6 kW) when you have a 6kW generator?
Whereas 6kW is very conveniently 50 amperes?
I understand two air conditioners requiring more than 30 amp service.
Comments.
Dolph
DE AD0LF
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Sullybilt Bags, Manny Transmission
“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
> On Dec 9, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
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> I misunderstood the post to say 6000. Contractor set. I've seen the RV sets, which end in 10.
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> --johnny
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> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda generator [message #339435 is a reply to message #339434] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 09:37 |
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Matt Colie
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Sun, 09 December 2018 09:02I've been doing some research on our coaches regarding the power, and it directly relates to the generator (or sort of).
A Great Laker who was employed by GM when our coaches were built insists that they were all made with 50 amp service.
I've done quite a deep dive on the parts book and the service guides and he appears to be correct.
The only cord listed is 50 amp, and the number of coaches fitted with a 30 amp plug in the 50 amp cutout (in the cord bin on the side of the coach) is very high.
Does anyone have additional information?
The 30 amp cord seem to be an "previous owner" convenience add on.
But some things don't make sense. Why have a 30 amp cord (3.6 kW) when you have a 6kW generator?
Whereas 6kW is very conveniently 50 amperes?
I understand two air conditioners requiring more than 30 amp service.
Comments.
Dolph
OK Dolph,
Here are some comments....
As far as the GM paper work goes, all the GMC fitted out coaches were 50 amp. Even the 23s (like mine) were originally fitted with 14-50, 4 wire cable and a dual breaker in the box.
This, the single waste tank, and the sleep under-way capability were all part of the motorhome type RV vision of the coming way of travel. It was believed in the 70s that 50amp was the way of the future because of increasing electrical loads. The single waste tank was a direct response to the dwindling number of places that grey water could be dumped on the ground. And the sleep underway is because they found that many liked ability to long haul and co-drive. A GMC makes this a very practical mode of travel. (Don't try to sleep in the back of a "C" underway.)
The 50 amp is the one that they got right. (IMNSHO) All of the new monster coaches are 50amp and campgrounds that cannot do 50 are being bypassed. (or at least getting low marks on reviews) There are now systems available to start a monster inverter or the APU when you are going to trip the 30 Amp post.
Many of the coaches upfit by others went with 30 amp feeds and goofy stuff to run a second A/C unit. This allowed a way lighter shore power cable. I, for one (and maybe 1 only), do not find the 4-#8 cable that hard to handle unless it is below 20°F (-7°C), but then, I did spend a lot of my life handling dock lines and diver's hoses.
And, at this point, We could be the only people I know that have slept the off-watch crew underway, but the interstate system has grown a lot even in the last couple of decades.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda generator [message #339436 is a reply to message #339434] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 09:45 |
James Hupy
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Dolph, your friend is correct, kinda. GMC built coaches WERE fitted with
that miserable 50 amp service cord.
But the coaches that were up fitted by Avion, Coachman, and a few
others, were fitted with 30 amp service cords, and a whole bunch of
different style breaker boxes and 12 volt fuse layouts. Also "BUZZ BOXES"
were somewhat different, as were battery locations. Makes life interesting
when you work on a bunch of different coaches.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018, 6:02 AM Dolph Santorine I’ve been doing some research on our coaches regarding the power, and it[/color]
> directly relates to the generator (or sort of).
>
> A Great Laker who was employed by GM when our coaches were built insists
> that they were all made with 50 amp service.
>
> I’ve done quite a deep dive on the parts book and the service guides and
> he appears to be correct.
>
> The only cord listed is 50 amp, and the number of coaches fitted with a 30
> amp plug in the 50 amp cutout (in the cord bin on the side of the coach) is
> very high.
>
> Does anyone have additional information?
>
> The 30 amp cord seem to be an “previous owner” convenience add on.
>
> But some things don’t make sense. Why have a 30 amp cord (3.6 kW) when you
> have a 6kW generator?
>
> Whereas 6kW is very conveniently 50 amperes?
>
> I understand two air conditioners requiring more than 30 amp service.
>
> Comments.
>
> Dolph
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Sullybilt Bags, Manny Transmission
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"
>
>> On Dec 9, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I misunderstood the post to say 6000. Contractor set. I've seen the RV
> sets, which end in 10.
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda generator [message #339437 is a reply to message #339436] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 10:31 |
k2gkk
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I, for one, am glad that GM fitted the 50 Amp power cable. I have had an electrician install a 50 Amp/240 Volt receptacle (and a 30 Amp/120 Volt) on the side of my garage. I therefore have the capability of running BOTH A/C units and anything else in my coach when hooked up here at home OR at any RV park with 240 Volt service. I cut most of the original power cable off at about five or six feet and installed a new male 50A plug on it. The remainder of the original cable now has a female connector on the cut off end and provides a much more easily handled (and stored) extension cable. I also bought a 30 foot 240 Volt extension from the RV Adventure store that is also fairly easily handled and stored and have a total of 50 feet plus of power cable available.
The 30 Amp outlet would be good for any friend with only that service to hook up in my driveway!
In this part of the USA, two A/C units running full tilt are an absolute necessity during summer temps of 100 plus!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
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Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 09:45
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Honda generator
Dolph, your friend is correct, kinda. GMC built coaches WERE fitted with
that miserable 50 amp service cord.
But the coaches that were up fitted by Avion, Coachman, and a few
others, were fitted with 30 amp service cords, and a whole bunch of
different style breaker boxes and 12 volt fuse layouts. Also "BUZZ BOXES"
were somewhat different, as were battery locations. Makes life interesting
when you work on a bunch of different coaches.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339440 is a reply to message #339401] |
Sun, 09 December 2018 21:03 |
Carl S.
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I picked one up in Tucson for Rob Mueller, for $400.00 and delivered it as far as San Antonio. I think all it needed was a coolant overflow tank and a muffler. I know it ran well and put out power. I don't know if he's done anything with it yet
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: Honda generator [message #339477 is a reply to message #339440] |
Tue, 11 December 2018 09:37 |
Justin Brady
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A little late to the party here, but my $.02
The EV6010 is a solid generator. It runs well and makes power.
It's also loud. Like lawnmower loud. The onan is much quieter in my opinion.
My ev6010 is now running dual mufflers and is bearable, but the onan is a much more pleasant noise in my opinion.
Before adding another muffler I had to walk around and apologize to people before I started the generator in a campground.
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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