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Wed, 10 October 2018 07:54

Michael F. Maguire

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Been doing a lot of research here. Does anyone know what is the oldest known GMC motorhome in existence (verifiable by VIN number)?

Michael F. Maguire Neenah, WI -1978 Palm beach -1973 Canyon Lands

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Wed, 10 October 2018 09:08

Bullitthead

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I'll bet you can find out from one of the sources on this page:
http://bdub.net/GMCLinks.html

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.

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Wed, 10 October 2018 10:18

Jim Galbavy

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JimB is currently working on #041. (RUBY)

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Re: Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337760 is a reply to message #337751]

Wed, 10 October 2018 10:59

JShot

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The earliest TZE # in the Registry is 033V100053 - no owners name or address - in a 23'
The earliest TZE # in the Registry is 063V100011 in a 26'
Bill Bryant might be able to tell you more.

John Shotwell
Ridgeville Corners, OH
78 Royale Center Kitchen

[Updated on: Wed, 10 October 2018 11:03]

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Wed, 10 October 2018 11:11

SteveW

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I'm a 23 footer - looks like number 270. 247 units are older than me - anybody here ??

TZE033V100270

Steve W
Southern California

Steve W 1973 : 23' Southern California

[Updated on: Wed, 10 October 2018 11:14]

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Wed, 10 October 2018 19:02

bdub

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That is a surprise to me. I know that Bill personally visited with a fellow
over by the DFW metroplex that had TZE063v100021. He was very interested in
it as he thought it to be the first GMC sold retail. He said that the first
20 units were believed to be destroyed for certification purposes. I can't
recall the person's name right away but I know that he passed several years
ago and his son contacted me at some point to see if I wanted to purchase
the machine (which was in a very sad state). I passed on it and imagine
that it wound up at the crusher. At the time I just assumed that Bill had
turned it in to the registry. Heck, I could have done it. Just fell
through the cracks I guess.

bdub

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The earliest TZE # in the Registry is 033V100053 - no owners name or
address.
Bill Bryant might be able to tell you more.

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Thu, 11 October 2018 10:23

Scott Nutter

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Might be easier to find the last GMC made..

Scott Nutter 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI Houston, Texas

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Re: Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337789 is a reply to message #337760]

Thu, 11 October 2018 13:12

bryant374

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John & others,

Please DISREGARD the TZE063V100011 number as a real one. I originally listed it in my records because Dave Greenburg and I tried to validate it for quite some time and could NOT verify that TZE as valid with previous owners. As you may know the first 20 TZEs were thought to be scrapped after testing and never sold to the public. The first GMC MH sold to the public is TZE063V100021 which I checked out in North Texas a few years ago.

Several other very early Gmc MHs (21-50) that exist are:
TZE
21 (built 11-14-72)
22 " "
23
24
28
40
41
46
50
I would not be surprised if there were others. #41 has been called a prototype which it is not, it was built on the TZE manufacturing line, probably slowly but as a production 1973 coach.

Several prototypes (many design differences) were built, tested and destroyed at an earlier time.

Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History

[Updated on: Thu, 11 October 2018 16:56]

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Thu, 11 October 2018 14:57

mghamms

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#22 sold on fleebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-GMC-Motorhome-26ft-RV-Tiny-House-Rat-Rod-Runs-Drives-Clean-Title-L-K/323474212090?hash=item4b5090c4fa:g:QQkAAOSwsshbruon &vxp=mtr

Vin:
TZE063V1000022

1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts

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Re: [GMCnet] Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337796 is a reply to message #337794]

Thu, 11 October 2018 15:47

Richard Denney

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That listing confuses me. I have TZE033V1001023 (I hope I'm remembering
that right--it might be 1022) and I believe my production date was in late
1972. The ebay coach claims production in 1/73 but it's #22. The true #22
would have been made in 1972, right?

Did the 230's and 260's have parallel numbering?

Rick "raining too much to go look for sure" Denney

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:58 PM Mike Hamm wrote:

> #22 sold on fleebay:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-GMC-Motorhome-26ft-RV-Tiny-House-Rat-Rod-Runs-Drives-Clean-Title-L-K/323474212090?hash=item4b5090c4fa:g:QQkAAOSwsshbruon &vxp=mtr
>
> Vin:
> TZE063V1000022
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337798 is a reply to message #337796]

Thu, 11 October 2018 16:20

bryant374

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Rick,

I believe your coach is V1001002 and build date should be 05-73, let me know if that is incorrect.

Sorry about the confusion, I should have shown the additional "000" making too many assumptions gets me in trouble.

I believe I would call the numbering system a series sequence. Each model year starts at "V1000001"* and continues to the end of that model years end of production, mixing 23' & 26' numbering along the way.

*and for a kicker, there is a CA 1978 Palm Beach with the vin, TZE168V1000000.

Ya just never know.

Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
GMC Motorhome History

[Updated on: Fri, 12 October 2018 16:02]

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Thu, 11 October 2018 16:51

Michael F. Maguire

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So let's get this straight please everybody...The TZE063V1000022 was or was not the 22nd GMC motorhome ever built?

Michael F. Maguire Neenah, WI -1978 Palm beach -1973 Canyon Lands

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Thu, 11 October 2018 17:26

bryant374

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"So let's get this straight please everybody...The TZE063V1000022 was or was not the 22nd GMC motorhome ever built?"

Here is straight, TZE063V1000022 was the 22nd 1973 production model TZE built. It is also believed to be the 2nd earliest 1973 production GMC MH sold to the public. Discount all previous development vehicles, prototypes, test vehicles & square sides which were not titled as "TZE" and are not part of this discussion.

NOTE: Rick D & M. Hamms

Many Thanks to you I have a copy of the Service Parts glove box sticker for V1000022. The sticker for V1000021 was missing so this one is the earliest example I have, these stickers tell many details of the original build.

NOW, a question!

I would like to assure the new owner of V1000022 knows of the historical importance of his GMC. Does anyone know the buyer of the coach, please ask around and see if we can locate the new owner.

Thanks for your help,
Bill

Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
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Re: Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337804 is a reply to message #337761]

Thu, 11 October 2018 21:52

Dennis S

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SteveW wrote on Wed, 10 October 2018 11:11

I'm a 23 footer - looks like number 270. 247 units are older than me - anybody here ??

TZE033V100270

Steve W
Southern California

Hi Steve
I have a 73, 23, last three numbers 267.

Dennis

Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro

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Thu, 11 October 2018 23:10

Jerry Wheeler

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Hi Steve,
My daughter has a 73, 23, last three numbers are 241.

JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:53 PM Dennis Sexton wrote:

> SteveW wrote on Wed, 10 October 2018 11:11
>> I'm a 23 footer - looks like number 270. 247 units are older than me
> - anybody here ??
>>
>> TZE033V100270
>>
>> Steve W
>> Southern California
>
> Hi Steve
> I have a 73, 23, last three numbers 267.
>
> Dennis
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> 73 Painted Desert 230
> Memphis TN Metro
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Re: [GMCnet] Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337820 is a reply to message #337801]

Fri, 12 October 2018 19:38

Michael F. Maguire

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That was very concise. Thanks Bill

Michael F. Maguire Neenah, WI -1978 Palm beach -1973 Canyon Lands

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Re: Oldest Known GMC Motorhome [message #337835 is a reply to message #337751]

Sat, 13 October 2018 16:16

Jerry Sitzlar

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Congratulations Mr Maguire for owning old #22 as referenced in the thread on the swap meet.

Jerry

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Sat, 13 October 2018 16:22

Michael F. Maguire

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Thank you sir. I'm thinking I should repost it in a more appropriate section. Having a lot of fun with her by the way

Michael F. Maguire Neenah, WI -1978 Palm beach -1973 Canyon Lands

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Sat, 13 October 2018 16:58

Matt Colie

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Michael F. Maguire wrote on Sat, 13 October 2018 17:22

Thank you sir. I'm thinking I should repost it in a more appropriate section. Having a lot of fun with her by the way

Mike (Sure Beats Chavez)

Thanks for filling in a sigfile.

Johnny may well have been somewhat suspicious because we have had a winners come waltzing in here, but now we have a real identity, we will be more comfortable.

Again, Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum.

Matt

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Sat, 13 October 2018 17:56

Michael F. Maguire

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Thanks Matt. I'm having a good time here. Kind of like becoming a dad again. Been playing around with this thing all day.... exploring the possibilities. I just love these old tubs!

Michael F. Maguire Neenah, WI -1978 Palm beach -1973 Canyon Lands

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