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Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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The following is just my humble opinion. I offer this FYI. Your milage may vary.
Over the last 15 yrs I have seen a number of people get into GMCing buying a GMC that has been sitting for a number of years. In several of those cases, they were able to get the GMC started, put it in gear and drove it home. Sometimes they didn't make it when the engine went bad. Sometimes they made it home, but within a short number of miles the engine went bad. I have a theory about engines that go bad after sitting for an extended period of time.

Gravity is an idle engine's worst enemy. Over long periods of idle time, gravity will pull oil off of everything that needs lubricant, into the pan leaving bearing surfaces, cam lobes and cylinder walls dry. So, when a person pulls the air cleaner off and squirts a little gas or starter fluid down the carb, and the engine starts right away, it may run for...who knows how long before oil can get to those surfaces. No oil and there is immediate metal to metal contact and excessive wear that takes place during the first few minutes of operation. Then it is only a matter of a short time before you have cylinder wall scoring, cam lobe and lifter scoring and rod and main bearing scoring. The rod and main bearing being the most critical, because that can leave you on the side of the road within a couple of hundred miles.

May I suggest the following to reduce or eliminate the inevitable.

If the engine has not been running for extended periods, do the following.

Do not start or try to start or even turn the engine over without first doing this procedure.
Drain and replace oil in the oil pan and oil cooler.
Replace the oil filter, filling the oil filler with oil before spinning it on.
Refill with 5w30 or 5w40 of your choice. (the 5 weight will flow to bearing surfaces quicker)
Pull all spark plugs out and put a couple of squirts of the same oil into each cylinder.
Leave the plugs out for now.
Turn engine over by hand to line up timing marks with #1 cylinder at TDC compression.
Pull the distributor out making note of where the rotor is pointing with engine at TDC compression.
Pull both valve covers off.
Using a extender/adaptor where the distributor was, drive the oil pump with an electric drill until you can see oil coming out of the rocker arms....ALL OF THEM.
Now you have fresh oil to all bearing surfaces.
Using a squirt can, oil down the valve train on the heads and put the valve covers back on.
Turn the engine over with the starter, with the plugs out, only long enough, until you can see oil pressure at the gauge. As soon as the gauge needle starts to move, stop turning over.
Now you have oil on the cylinder walls. All that is left is oil to the cam lobes. To get oil to the cam, you must start the engine.
Turn engine over by hand and line up timing marks with #1 at TDC compression.
Drop the distributor in with rotor pointed as noted earlier.
Put plugs back in.
Put the cap back on and put plug wires to proper cylinder (1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2 accept for the Cadillac engine. Which is 1,5,6,3,4,2,7, 8.)
Prepare to start the engine.
Confirm that there is gas in the carb, and that there is spark, and you are at TDC compression.
Squirt a little fuel down the carb primaries, put the air cleaner back on incase of a backfire.
Turn the engine over to start and bring to 2000 RPM immediately.
Run at 2000 RPM for a minimum of 1 minute to lube the cam and lifters. At 2k RPM, the rods will be throwing lots of oil on the cylinders and camshaft.
There will be lots of smoke out the tail pipe from the oil you squirted into the cylinders earlier.
Set the timing to factory specs.
Now you can check all other things, like brakes, antifreeze, transmission fluid...etc...etc. and other essentials before you drive it home.

This procedure should significantly reduce the amount of start-up wear on long sitting engines, leading to normal engine life, taking you many trouble free miles. JMHO


Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.

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Re: [GMCnet] Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336268 is a reply to message #336250] Tue, 21 August 2018 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cesar Carrasco is currently offline  Cesar Carrasco   United States
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This is great!
Thank you Larry. I'm keeping this email for future reference.



On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 3:32 PM Larry wrote:

> The following is just my humble opinion. I offer this FYI. Your milage may
> vary.
> Over the last 15 yrs I have seen a number of people get into GMCing buying
> a GMC that has been sitting for a number of years. In several of those
> cases, they were able to get the GMC started, put it in gear and drove it
> home. Sometimes they didn't make it when the engine went bad. Sometimes
> they made it home, but within a short number of miles the engine went bad.
> I have a theory about engines that go bad after sitting for an extended
> period of time.
>
> Gravity is an idle engine's worst enemy. Over long periods of idle time,
> gravity will pull oil off of everything that needs lubricant, into the pan
> leaving bearing surfaces, cam lobes and cylinder walls dry. So, when a
> person pulls the air cleaner off and squirts a little gas or starter fluid
> down
> the carb, and the engine starts right away, it may run for...who knows how
> long before oil can get to those surfaces. No oil and there is immediate
> metal to metal contact and excessive wear that takes place during the
> first few minutes of operation. Then it is only a matter of a short time
> before
> you have cylinder wall scoring, cam lobe and lifter scoring and rod and
> main bearing scoring. The rod and main bearing being the most critical,
> because that can leave you on the side of the road within a couple of
> hundred miles.
>
> May I suggest the following to reduce or eliminate the inevitable.
>
> If the engine has not been running for extended periods, do the following.
>
> Do not start or try to start or even turn the engine over without first
> doing this procedure.
> Drain and replace oil in the oil pan and oil cooler.
> Replace the oil filter, filling the oil filler with oil before spinning it
> on.
> Refill with 5w30 or 5w40 of your choice. (the 5 weight will flow to
> bearing surfaces quicker)
> Pull all spark plugs out and put a couple of squirts of the same oil into
> each cylinder.
> Leave the plugs out for now.
> Turn engine over by hand to line up timing marks with #1 cylinder at TDC
> compression.
> Pull the distributor out making note of where the rotor is pointing with
> engine at TDC compression.
> Pull both valve covers off.
> Using a extender/adaptor where the distributor was, drive the oil pump
> with an electric drill until you can see oil coming out of the rocker
> arms....ALL OF THEM.
> Now you have fresh oil to all bearing surfaces.
> Using a squirt can, oil down the valve train on the heads and put the
> valve covers back on.
> Turn the engine over with the starter, with the plugs out, only long
> enough, until you can see oil pressure at the gauge. As soon as the gauge
> needle
> starts to move, stop turning over.
> Now you have oil on the cylinder walls. All that is left is oil to the cam
> lobes. To get oil to the cam, you must start the engine.
> Turn engine over by hand and line up timing marks with #1 at TDC
> compression.
> Drop the distributor in with rotor pointed as noted earlier.
> Put plugs back in.
> Put the cap back on and put plug wires to proper cylinder (1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2
> accept for the Cadillac engine. Which is 1,5,6,3,4,2,7,8)
> Prepare to start the engine.
> Confirm that there is gas in the carb, and that there is spark, and you
> are at TDC compression.
> Squirt a little fuel down the carb primaries, put the air cleaner back on
> incase of a backfire.
> Turn the engine over to start and bring to 2000 RPM immediately.
> Run at 2000 RPM for a minimum of 1 minute to lube the cam and lifters. At
> 2k RPM, the rods will be throwing lots of oil on the cylinders and
> camshaft.
> There will be lots of smoke out the tail pipe from the oil you squirted
> into the cylinders earlier.
> Set the timing to factory specs.
> Now you can check all other things, like brakes, antifreeze, transmission
> fluid...etc...etc. and other essentials before you drive it home.
>
> This procedure should significantly reduce the amount of start-up wear on
> long sitting engines, leading to normal engine life, taking you many trouble
> free miles. JMHO
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
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Re: Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336274 is a reply to message #336250] Wed, 22 August 2018 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Larry's procedure below is very good, but it assumes that the engine has not been damaged by corrosion or other things that are common to sitting engines.

Using the lube oil pump to prime the system is a good idea, but oiling the valve gear is less essential than doing other checks. If the coach has A/C, getting the right side cylinder head cover off may not be practical.
Changing out the lube oil of unknown age (typical case) is a good idea. If you then mark the distributor body location, remover the cap and mark the rotor so it can be removed and replaced. Then, remove it and prime the lube oil system as he recommended. Now you are not moving anything on dry bearings. There is also a little plus for Olds engines. There is an oil squirt on the distributor gear mesh. So, look down in that hole while yo are running the pump. It will take a light to see the lube oil that is supposed to be hitting the distributor gear. If you don't see that (it can take the better part of a minute with a dry engine) when the drill motor you are using starts to load up, you may have issues that need to be addressed.

Now, put the distributor back in and have a friend watch it if you can.
This is a very old engine rule:
Always bar (an old steam guy way of saying manually turn) an engine though a full cycle before attempting to start it. In our case, that means put a socket on the crankshaft bolt and pull the engine through two full turns.
This is important because if there is a valve stuck or corrosion on a cylinder wall (both are very common problems), you will feel it and (hopefully) stop before any additional damage is done. If a valve is stuck open and a piston strikes it, the valve will need to be replaced and the piston may be damaged. If there is corrosion in a bore and the piston can be backed off it, often that bore can be cleaned up enough to remove the piston without damage to it.

Many of the coaches coming back on the road have been neglected for way longer than makes any sense. But, if you know someone that is interested in bringing it back to life, this could allow it to happen without any expensive surprises.

Thank You Larry,

Matt (just put his engine back in) Colie

Larry wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 18:18
The following is just my humble opinion. I offer this FYI. Your milage may vary.
Over the last 15 yrs I have seen a number of people get into GMCing buying a GMC that has been sitting for a number of years. In several of those cases, they were able to get the GMC started, put it in gear and drove it home. Sometimes they didn't make it when the engine went bad. Sometimes they made it home, but within a short number of miles the engine went bad. I have a theory about engines that go bad after sitting for an extended period of time.

Gravity is an idle engine's worst enemy. Over long periods of idle time, gravity will pull oil off of everything that needs lubricant, into the pan leaving bearing surfaces, cam lobes and cylinder walls dry. So, when a person pulls the air cleaner off and squirts a little gas or starter fluid down the carb, and the engine starts right away, it may run for...who knows how long before oil can get to those surfaces. No oil and there is immediate metal to metal contact and excessive wear that takes place during the first few minutes of operation. Then it is only a matter of a short time before you have cylinder wall scoring, cam lobe and lifter scoring and rod and main bearing scoring. The rod and main bearing being the most critical, because that can leave you on the side of the road within a couple of hundred miles.

May I suggest the following to reduce or eliminate the inevitable.

If the engine has not been running for extended periods, do the following.

Do not start or try to start or even turn the engine over without first doing this procedure.
Drain and replace oil in the oil pan and oil cooler.
Replace the oil filter, filling the oil filler with oil before spinning it on.
Refill with 5w30 or 5w40 of your choice. (the 5 weight will flow to bearing surfaces quicker)
Pull all spark plugs out and put a couple of squirts of the same oil into each cylinder.
Leave the plugs out for now.
Turn engine over by hand to line up timing marks with #1 cylinder at TDC compression.
Pull the distributor out making note of where the rotor is pointing with engine at TDC compression.
Pull both valve covers off.
Using a extender/adaptor where the distributor was, drive the oil pump with an electric drill until you can see oil coming out of the rocker arms....ALL OF THEM.
Now you have fresh oil to all bearing surfaces.
Using a squirt can, oil down the valve train on the heads and put the valve covers back on.
Turn the engine over with the starter, with the plugs out, only long enough, until you can see oil pressure at the gauge. As soon as the gauge needle starts to move, stop turning over.
Now you have oil on the cylinder walls. All that is left is oil to the cam lobes. To get oil to the cam, you must start the engine.
Turn engine over by hand and line up timing marks with #1 at TDC compression.
Drop the distributor in with rotor pointed as noted earlier.
Put plugs back in.
Put the cap back on and put plug wires to proper cylinder (1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2 accept for the Cadillac engine. Which is 1,5,6,3,4,2,7, 8.)
Prepare to start the engine.
Confirm that there is gas in the carb, and that there is spark, and you are at TDC compression.
Squirt a little fuel down the carb primaries, put the air cleaner back on incase of a backfire.
Turn the engine over to start and bring to 2000 RPM immediately.
Run at 2000 RPM for a minimum of 1 minute to lube the cam and lifters. At 2k RPM, the rods will be throwing lots of oil on the cylinders and camshaft.
There will be lots of smoke out the tail pipe from the oil you squirted into the cylinders earlier.
Set the timing to factory specs.
Now you can check all other things, like brakes, antifreeze, transmission fluid...etc...etc. and other essentials before you drive it home.

This procedure should significantly reduce the amount of start-up wear on long sitting engines, leading to normal engine life, taking you many trouble free miles. JMHO
Humble it may be, but it is also very accurate.


Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
Re: [GMCnet] Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336278 is a reply to message #336274] Wed, 22 August 2018 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cesar Carrasco is currently offline  Cesar Carrasco   United States
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This brings up a good question. I have been starting my gmc's at least
once a month for about 10 minutes. I live in southern California, weather
is mainly dry and hot. Is this enough?

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 9:45 AM Matt Colie wrote:

> Larry's procedure below is very good, but it assumes that the engine has
> not been damaged by corrosion or other things that are common to sitting
> engines.
>
> Using the lube oil pump to prime the system is a good idea, but oiling the
> valve gear is less essential than doing other checks. If the coach has
> A/C, getting the right side cylinder head cover off may not be practical.
> Changing out the lube oil of unknown age (typical case) is a good idea. If
> you then mark the distributor body location, remover the cap and mark the
> rotor so it can be removed and replaced. Then, remove it and prime the
> lube oil system as he recommended. Now you are not moving anything on dry
> bearings. There is also a little plus for Olds engines. There is an oil
> squirt on the distributor gear mesh. So, look down in that hole while yo
> are running the pump. It will take a light to see the lube oil that is
> supposed to be hitting the distributor gear. If you don't see that (it can
> take the better part of a minute with a dry engine) when the drill motor
> you are using starts to load up, you may have issues that need to be
> addressed.
>
> Now, put the distributor back in and have a friend watch it if you can.
> This is a very old engine rule:
> Always bar (an old steam guy way of saying manually turn) an engine though
> a full cycle before attempting to start it. In our case, that means put a
> socket on the crankshaft bolt and pull the engine through two full turns.
> This is important because if there is a valve stuck or corrosion on a
> cylinder wall (both are very common problems), you will feel it and
> (hopefully)
> stop before any additional damage is done. If a valve is stuck open and a
> piston strikes it, the valve will need to be replaced and the piston may be
> damaged. If there is corrosion in a bore and the piston can be backed off
> it, often that bore can be cleaned up enough to remove the piston without
> damage to it.
>
> Many of the coaches coming back on the road have been neglected for way
> longer than makes any sense. But, if you know someone that is interested in
> bringing it back to life, this could allow it to happen without any
> expensive surprises.
>
> Thank You Larry,
>
> Matt (just put his engine back in) Colie
>
> Larry wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 18:18
>> The following is just my humble opinion. I offer this FYI. Your milage
> may vary.
>> Over the last 15 yrs I have seen a number of people get into GMCing
> buying a GMC that has been sitting for a number of years. In several of
> those
>> cases, they were able to get the GMC started, put it in gear and drove
> it home. Sometimes they didn't make it when the engine went bad. Sometimes
>> they made it home, but within a short number of miles the engine went
> bad. I have a theory about engines that go bad after sitting for an extended
>> period of time.
>>
>> Gravity is an idle engine's worst enemy. Over long periods of idle time,
> gravity will pull oil off of everything that needs lubricant, into the
>> pan leaving bearing surfaces, cam lobes and cylinder walls dry. So, when
> a person pulls the air cleaner off and squirts a little gas or starter
>> fluid down the carb, and the engine starts right away, it may run
> for...who knows how long before oil can get to those surfaces. No oil and
> there is
>> immediate metal to metal contact and excessive wear that takes place
> during the first few minutes of operation. Then it is only a matter of a
> short
>> time before you have cylinder wall scoring, cam lobe and lifter scoring
> and rod and main bearing scoring. The rod and main bearing being the most
>> critical, because that can leave you on the side of the road within a
> couple of hundred miles.
>>
>> May I suggest the following to reduce or eliminate the inevitable.
>>
>> If the engine has not been running for extended periods, do the
> following.
>>
>> Do not start or try to start or even turn the engine over without first
> doing this procedure.
>> Drain and replace oil in the oil pan and oil cooler.
>> Replace the oil filter, filling the oil filler with oil before spinning
> it on.
>> Refill with 5w30 or 5w40 of your choice. (the 5 weight will flow to
> bearing surfaces quicker)
>> Pull all spark plugs out and put a couple of squirts of the same oil
> into each cylinder.
>> Leave the plugs out for now.
>> Turn engine over by hand to line up timing marks with #1 cylinder at TDC
> compression.
>> Pull the distributor out making note of where the rotor is pointing with
> engine at TDC compression.
>> Pull both valve covers off.
>> Using a extender/adaptor where the distributor was, drive the oil pump
> with an electric drill until you can see oil coming out of the rocker
>> arms....ALL OF THEM.
>> Now you have fresh oil to all bearing surfaces.
>> Using a squirt can, oil down the valve train on the heads and put the
> valve covers back on.
>> Turn the engine over with the starter, with the plugs out, only long
> enough, until you can see oil pressure at the gauge. As soon as the gauge
>> needle starts to move, stop turning over.
>> Now you have oil on the cylinder walls. All that is left is oil to the
> cam lobes. To get oil to the cam, you must start the engine.
>> Turn engine over by hand and line up timing marks with #1 at TDC
> compression.
>> Drop the distributor in with rotor pointed as noted earlier.
>> Put plugs back in.
>> Put the cap back on and put plug wires to proper cylinder
> (1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2 accept for the Cadillac engine. Which is 1,5,6,3,4,2,7,
> 8.)
>> Prepare to start the engine.
>> Confirm that there is gas in the carb, and that there is spark, and you
> are at TDC compression.
>> Squirt a little fuel down the carb primaries, put the air cleaner back
> on incase of a backfire.
>> Turn the engine over to start and bring to 2000 RPM immediately.
>> Run at 2000 RPM for a minimum of 1 minute to lube the cam and lifters.
> At 2k RPM, the rods will be throwing lots of oil on the cylinders and
>> camshaft.
>> There will be lots of smoke out the tail pipe from the oil you squirted
> into the cylinders earlier.
>> Set the timing to factory specs.
>> Now you can check all other things, like brakes, antifreeze,
> transmission fluid...etc...etc. and other essentials before you drive it
> home.
>>
>> This procedure should significantly reduce the amount of start-up wear
> on long sitting engines, leading to normal engine life, taking you many
>> trouble free miles. JMHO
>
> Humble it may be, but it is also very accurate.
>
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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Re: Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336281 is a reply to message #336274] Wed, 22 August 2018 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry is currently offline  Larry   United States
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Matt Colie wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 11:14
Larry's procedure below is very good, but it assumes that the engine has not been damaged by corrosion or other things that are common to sitting engines.

Using the lube oil pump to prime the system is a good idea, but oiling the valve gear is less essential than doing other checks. If the coach has A/C, getting the right side cylinder head cover off may not be practical.
Changing out the lube oil of unknown age (typical case) is a good idea. If you then mark the distributor body location, remover the cap and mark the rotor so it can be removed and replaced. Then, remove it and prime the lube oil system as he recommended. Now you are not moving anything on dry bearings. There is also a little plus for Olds engines. There is an oil squirt on the distributor gear mesh. So, look down in that hole while yo are running the pump. It will take a light to see the lube oil that is supposed to be hitting the distributor gear. If you don't see that (it can take the better part of a minute with a dry engine) when the drill motor you are using starts to load up, you may have issues that need to be addressed.

Now, put the distributor back in and have a friend watch it if you can.
This is a very old engine rule:
Always bar (an old steam guy way of saying manually turn) an engine though a full cycle before attempting to start it. In our case, that means put a socket on the crankshaft bolt and pull the engine through two full turns.
This is important because if there is a valve stuck or corrosion on a cylinder wall (both are very common problems), you will feel it and (hopefully) stop before any additional damage is done. If a valve is stuck open and a piston strikes it, the valve will need to be replaced and the piston may be damaged. If there is corrosion in a bore and the piston can be backed off it, often that bore can be cleaned up enough to remove the piston without damage to it.

Many of the coaches coming back on the road have been neglected for way longer than makes any sense. But, if you know someone that is interested in bringing it back to life, this could allow it to happen without any expensive surprises.

Thank You Larry,

Matt (just put his engine back in) Colie

Larry wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 18:18
The following is just my humble opinion. I offer this FYI. Your milage may vary.
Over the last 15 yrs I have seen a number of people get into GMCing buying a GMC that has been sitting for a number of years. In several of those cases, they were able to get the GMC started, put it in gear and drove it home. Sometimes they didn't make it when the engine went bad. Sometimes they made it home, but within a short number of miles the engine went bad. I have a theory about engines that go bad after sitting for an extended period of time.

Gravity is an idle engine's worst enemy. Over long periods of idle time, gravity will pull oil off of everything that needs lubricant, into the pan leaving bearing surfaces, cam lobes and cylinder walls dry. So, when a person pulls the air cleaner off and squirts a little gas or starter fluid down the carb, and the engine starts right away, it may run for...who knows how long before oil can get to those surfaces. No oil and there is immediate metal to metal contact and excessive wear that takes place during the first few minutes of operation. Then it is only a matter of a short time before you have cylinder wall scoring, cam lobe and lifter scoring and rod and main bearing scoring. The rod and main bearing being the most critical, because that can leave you on the side of the road within a couple of hundred miles.

May I suggest the following to reduce or eliminate the inevitable.

If the engine has not been running for extended periods, do the following.

Do not start or try to start or even turn the engine over without first doing this procedure.
Drain and replace oil in the oil pan and oil cooler.
Replace the oil filter, filling the oil filler with oil before spinning it on.
Refill with 5w30 or 5w40 of your choice. (the 5 weight will flow to bearing surfaces quicker)
Pull all spark plugs out and put a couple of squirts of the same oil into each cylinder.
Leave the plugs out for now.
Turn engine over by hand to line up timing marks with #1 cylinder at TDC compression.
Pull the distributor out making note of where the rotor is pointing with engine at TDC compression.
Pull both valve covers off.
Using a extender/adaptor where the distributor was, drive the oil pump with an electric drill until you can see oil coming out of the rocker arms....ALL OF THEM.
Now you have fresh oil to all bearing surfaces.
Using a squirt can, oil down the valve train on the heads and put the valve covers back on.
Turn the engine over with the starter, with the plugs out, only long enough, until you can see oil pressure at the gauge. As soon as the gauge needle starts to move, stop turning over.
Now you have oil on the cylinder walls. All that is left is oil to the cam lobes. To get oil to the cam, you must start the engine.
Turn engine over by hand and line up timing marks with #1 at TDC compression.
Drop the distributor in with rotor pointed as noted earlier.
Put plugs back in.
Put the cap back on and put plug wires to proper cylinder (1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2 accept for the Cadillac engine. Which is 1,5,6,3,4,2,7, 8.)
Prepare to start the engine.
Confirm that there is gas in the carb, and that there is spark, and you are at TDC compression.
Squirt a little fuel down the carb primaries, put the air cleaner back on incase of a backfire.
Turn the engine over to start and bring to 2000 RPM immediately.
Run at 2000 RPM for a minimum of 1 minute to lube the cam and lifters. At 2k RPM, the rods will be throwing lots of oil on the cylinders and camshaft.
There will be lots of smoke out the tail pipe from the oil you squirted into the cylinders earlier.
Set the timing to factory specs.
Now you can check all other things, like brakes, antifreeze, transmission fluid...etc...etc. and other essentials before you drive it home.

This procedure should significantly reduce the amount of start-up wear on long sitting engines, leading to normal engine life, taking you many trouble free miles. JMHO
Humble it may be, but it is also very accurate.
itThanks Matt...GOOD POINTS! So, everyone, add Matt's suggestions to the appropriate spot in the procedure and go for it .



Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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As far as starting and running only 10 mins, that is good to get oil circulation but now you have put water in the oil. Better would be start and drive it for 10 or more minutes. Luckily these get the oil up to temp quickly driving due to 11,000 GVW. Idling, not so much. Each gallon of gasoline burned produces over 1 gal of water, most exits via exhaust, but especially when cold the remainder ends up in pan.

John Lebetski
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Re: [GMCnet] Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336296 is a reply to message #336294] Wed, 22 August 2018 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jimk is currently offline  jimk   United States
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Frequent cold starts are tough on rings and intake valve guides as the rich
fuel mixture attaks the oil and aids in wear.
Take John's advise and drive it a minute after firing it up. If you cant,
your choke is not set properly.
When we attend the Onan/ Cummins seminars, they tell us to load the
generator and run it for 10-15 min.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 4:49 PM, John R. Lebetski
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> As far as starting and running only 10 mins, that is good to get oil
> circulation but now you have put water in the oil. Better would be start and
> drive it for 10 or more minutes. Luckily these get the oil up to temp
> quickly driving due to 11,000 GVW. Idling, not so much. Each gallon of
> gasoline
> burned produces over 1 gal of water, most exits via exhaust, but
> especially when cold the remainder ends up in pan.
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> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336298 is a reply to message #336296] Wed, 22 August 2018 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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jimk wrote on Wed, 22 August 2018 20:35
Frequent cold starts are tough on rings and intake valve guides as the rich fuel mixture attacks the oil and aids in wear.
Take John's advise and drive it a minute after firing it up. If you cant, your choke is not set properly.
When we attend the Onan/ Cummins seminars, they tell us to load the generator and run it for 10-15 min.
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
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1-800-752-7502
And Remember that Onan is very proud of the parts....
It does need to be warm to do the fogging well, but not that warm.

Matt


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Re: Starting an engine that has been sitting for an extended period. [message #336327 is a reply to message #336250] Thu, 23 August 2018 17:21 Go to previous message
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