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Thu, 05 July 2018 16:43  |
Burt and Faye curtis
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I am trying to get my coach together for a month long trip up to the
Canadian Rockies, Calgary, and Edmonton with a couple of other GMCs. I do
have contingency plans if I am unable to take mine, but I would prefer to
travel with the Gremlins I know. We are scheduled to leave Saturday.
While taking a short test drive, I am noticing that the steering has a
noticable notchinesss to it when turning. This is something new. Does
anyone in the GMC brain trust have suggestions as where to start looking
for the problem.?
Yet another problem appears to be carb related - almost like linkage is
getting stuck causing the engine to "race" - at times in almost any gear
setting. Was so bad once in park, put it in netural where it settled down
and turned it off. This is a Patterson rebuilt carb that my "friend" felt
needed an electric choke, so removed and installed one. Not sure if it is
always working correctly, or if like mentioned before, linkage is sticking
from setting for 8 months.
Any helpful suggestions will be more than welcome.
Fay Curtis
76 Glenbrook
Kneeland, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334684 is a reply to message #334679] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:19  |
Ken Henderson
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Fay,
Your steering "notchiness" sounds very much like what I experienced 12-15
years ago. I was headed from S. GA to Orlando when my steering developed
that problem: As I turned it, it felt as if the wheel was binding. During
return, the wheel either would be a little difficult at a spot or would
almost lock there. Believing it to be a bad ball in the steering column CV
joint, I resorted to doing "dipsy-doodles" (hard, long turns in one
direction, then another) in any vacant parking lot I saw. It seldom helped.
When I reached the GMC Coop (Jim Bounds' business) in Orlando, I removed
the lower steering shaft and disassembled the CV joint. When spotlessly
cleaned, there was NO sign of a damaged ball nor seat. Lubricating it with
motor oil (which surely would be adequate for manual operation), I inserted
screwdriver handles in each end and started moving it through all angles --
NOT. It would move only with all the force I could put on it.
After consulting with Jim, he got on the 'phone to find me a replacement.
I returned to his shop, where I found an unopened tube of something I'd
never seen before -- "Valvoline Synpower with MS02". I opened that and
replaced the motor oil with the awful black stuff I found in the tube.
Then I tried to move the joint, but couldn't, 'cause it just flopped around
everywhere -- wouldn't maintain any position for me to move it to! I
rushed back to the office and got Jim off of the 'phone.
With the CV reinstalled, there was no longer ANY notchiness. Nor has there
ever been since. And everyone I've insisted use that grease has found the
same result -- Rick Denny comes to mind. I won't use anything else to
grease any joint on any of my vehicles -- despite the fact that it's awful,
stick to everything, wear the black off of hands, stuff. Thinking back to
1954, I remember that when Ford changed from the "every 1000 miles" chassis
grease specification to "lifetime greased", MSO2 (and greatly improved
seals) was the secret.
Try it; won't cost much time or money and will probably cure the problem.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> I am noticing that the steering has a
> noticable notchinesss to it when turning. This is something new. Does
> anyone in the GMC brain trust have suggestions as where to start looking
> for the problem.?
> ...
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334686 is a reply to message #334684] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:35 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Thanks for the suggestion Ken. Will see if I can find a tube tonight. It
seems to be getting better, but that just be wishful thinking on my part!
Good grease can't hurt.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 4:20 PM Ken Henderson wrote:
> Fay,
>
> Your steering "notchiness" sounds very much like what I experienced 12-15
> years ago. I was headed from S. GA to Orlando when my steering developed
> that problem: As I turned it, it felt as if the wheel was binding. During
> return, the wheel either would be a little difficult at a spot or would
> almost lock there. Believing it to be a bad ball in the steering column CV
> joint, I resorted to doing "dipsy-doodles" (hard, long turns in one
> direction, then another) in any vacant parking lot I saw. It seldom
> helped.
>
> When I reached the GMC Coop (Jim Bounds' business) in Orlando, I removed
> the lower steering shaft and disassembled the CV joint. When spotlessly
> cleaned, there was NO sign of a damaged ball nor seat. Lubricating it with
> motor oil (which surely would be adequate for manual operation), I inserted
> screwdriver handles in each end and started moving it through all angles --
> NOT. It would move only with all the force I could put on it.
>
> After consulting with Jim, he got on the 'phone to find me a replacement.
> I returned to his shop, where I found an unopened tube of something I'd
> never seen before -- "Valvoline Synpower with MS02". I opened that and
> replaced the motor oil with the awful black stuff I found in the tube.
> Then I tried to move the joint, but couldn't, 'cause it just flopped around
> everywhere -- wouldn't maintain any position for me to move it to! I
> rushed back to the office and got Jim off of the 'phone.
>
> With the CV reinstalled, there was no longer ANY notchiness. Nor has there
> ever been since. And everyone I've insisted use that grease has found the
> same result -- Rick Denny comes to mind. I won't use anything else to
> grease any joint on any of my vehicles -- despite the fact that it's awful,
> stick to everything, wear the black off of hands, stuff. Thinking back to
> 1954, I remember that when Ford changed from the "every 1000 miles" chassis
> grease specification to "lifetime greased", MSO2 (and greatly improved
> seals) was the secret.
>
> Try it; won't cost much time or money and will probably cure the problem.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM Burt and Faye curtis curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> I am noticing that the steering has a
>> noticable notchinesss to it when turning. This is something new. Does
>> anyone in the GMC brain trust have suggestions as where to start looking
>> for the problem.?
>> ...
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334689 is a reply to message #334686] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:39 |
Ken Henderson
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Fay,
You probably know it, but before you remove or disassemble that lower
shaft, make darned sure you've got every discrete part of it clearly (and
permanently) marked so that you don't have to go to Florida to get Alex
Ferrara to properly align it after you put it back together wrong! :-)
Ken H.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:36 PM Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion Ken. Will see if I can find a tube tonight. It
> seems to be getting better, but that just be wishful thinking on my part!
> Good grease can't hurt.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334691 is a reply to message #334684] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:56 |
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Matt Colie
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Ken Henderson wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 19:19Fay,
Your steering "notchiness" sounds very much like what I experienced 12-15 years ago. I was headed from S. GA to Orlando when my steering developed that problem: As I turned it, it felt as if the wheel was binding. During return, the wheel either would be a little difficult at a spot or would almost lock there. Believing it to be a bad ball in the steering column CV joint, I resorted to doing "dipsy-doodles" (hard, long turns in one direction, then another) in any vacant parking lot I saw. It seldom helped.
When I reached the GMC Coop (Jim Bounds' business) in Orlando, I removed the lower steering shaft and disassembled the CV joint. When spotlessly
cleaned, there was NO sign of a damaged ball nor seat. Lubricating it with motor oil (which surely would be adequate for manual operation), I inserted screwdriver handles in each end and started moving it through all angles -- NOT. It would move only with all the force I could put on it.
After consulting with Jim, he got on the 'phone to find me a replacement. I returned to his shop, where I found an unopened tube of something I'd
never seen before -- "Valvoline Synpower with MS02". I opened that and replaced the motor oil with the awful black stuff I found in the tube.
Then I tried to move the joint, but couldn't, 'cause it just flopped around everywhere -- wouldn't maintain any position for me to move it to! I
rushed back to the office and got Jim off of the 'phone.
With the CV reinstalled, there was no longer ANY notchiness. Nor has there ever been since. And everyone I've insisted use that grease has found the same result -- Rick Denny comes to mind. I won't use anything else to grease any joint on any of my vehicles -- despite the fact that it's awful, stick to everything, wear the black off of hands, stuff. Thinking back to 1954, I remember that when Ford changed from the "every 1000 miles" chassis grease specification to "lifetime greased", MSO2 (and greatly improved seals) was the secret.
Try it; won't cost much time or money and will probably cure the problem.
Ken H.
Wow Ken, We are on a roll here....
I have to agree again. This is getting old. Old, maybe like comfortable shoes.
You forgot to mention that Valvoline Synpower with moly is about twice the price of most others. But if if were three times the price, I would still buy it.
And Oh Yes, do not get it on anything that is not already black.
It is a bear to clean and repack that CV joint, but it is worth the effort.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334692 is a reply to message #334684] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 18:59 |
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USAussie
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Fay,
I am a BIG fan of Valvoline Synpower Full Synthetic, I use it on every grease nipple on every vehicle I own. The only place I don't use it is on the urethane lower control arm bushings; there I use silicone grease.
Now people are saying to themselves "what grease nipples, my lower control arms don't have any grease nipples!"
They are correct, when I install urethane bushings I drill a hole through the metal shell and bushing, I thread it and then screw in the grease nipple.
The grease nipple serves two purposes; to grease the bushing and keep the bushing from rotating in the shell.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed
Fay,
Your steering "notchiness" sounds very much like what I experienced 12-15
years ago. I was headed from S. GA to Orlando when my steering developed
that problem: As I turned it, it felt as if the wheel was binding. During
return, the wheel either would be a little difficult at a spot or would
almost lock there. Believing it to be a bad ball in the steering column CV
joint, I resorted to doing "dipsy-doodles" (hard, long turns in one
direction, then another) in any vacant parking lot I saw. It seldom helped.
When I reached the GMC Coop (Jim Bounds' business) in Orlando, I removed
the lower steering shaft and disassembled the CV joint. When spotlessly
cleaned, there was NO sign of a damaged ball nor seat. Lubricating it with
motor oil (which surely would be adequate for manual operation), I inserted
screwdriver handles in each end and started moving it through all angles --
NOT. It would move only with all the force I could put on it.
After consulting with Jim, he got on the 'phone to find me a replacement.
I returned to his shop, where I found an unopened tube of something I'd
never seen before -- "Valvoline Synpower with MS02". I opened that and
replaced the motor oil with the awful black stuff I found in the tube.
Then I tried to move the joint, but couldn't, 'cause it just flopped around
everywhere -- wouldn't maintain any position for me to move it to! I
rushed back to the office and got Jim off of the 'phone.
With the CV reinstalled, there was no longer ANY notchiness. Nor has there
ever been since. And everyone I've insisted use that grease has found the
same result -- Rick Denny comes to mind. I won't use anything else to
grease any joint on any of my vehicles -- despite the fact that it's awful,
stick to everything, wear the black off of hands, stuff. Thinking back to
1954, I remember that when Ford changed from the "every 1000 miles" chassis
grease specification to "lifetime greased", MSO2 (and greatly improved
seals) was the secret.
Try it; won't cost much time or money and will probably cure the problem.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM Burt and Faye curtis <
curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> I am noticing that the steering has a
> noticable notchinesss to it when turning. This is something new. Does
> anyone in the GMC brain trust have suggestions as where to start looking
> for the problem.?
> ...
>
>
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334695 is a reply to message #334689] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 19:50 |
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Ken,
You've made the assumption that it assembled CORRECTLY now! :-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 6:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed
Fay,
You probably know it, but before you remove or disassemble that lower
shaft, make darned sure you've got every discrete part of it clearly (and
permanently) marked so that you don't have to go to Florida to get Alex
Ferrara to properly align it after you put it back together wrong! :-)
Ken H.
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334699 is a reply to message #334679] |
Thu, 05 July 2018 23:34 |
Adrien G.
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Faye, On your second problem. Check to make sure that the fast idle cam (it's between the carb and the choke housing) is dropping down to idle, that power (12 volt) is at the choke, that the choke is actually opening the correct direction. I'm using an electric choke
Airtex # 2C1044 from '76-'78 Cad ( looking from coil side, spiral clockwise from center out). There is a counter clockwise also that fits, so look at it. 12 volt power can come from center post of battery isolator.
Good luck on your trip.
"Yet another problem appears to be carb related - almost like linkage is
getting stuck causing the engine to "race" - at times in almost any gear
setting. Was so bad once in park, put it in netural where it settled down
and turned it off. This is a Patterson rebuilt carb that my "friend" felt
needed an electric choke, so removed and installed one. Not sure if it is
always working correctly, or if like mentioned before, linkage is sticking
from setting for 8 months."
Adrien & Jenny Genesoto
75 Glenbrook (26-3) Mods LS3.70 FD / Reaction Sys / 80mm Front&Intermidiate / Hydroboost / 16" Tires / Frame Rebuild / Interior Rebuild
Yuba City,Ca. Text 530-nine-3-three-3-nine-nine-6
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334704 is a reply to message #334679] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 07:22 |
jhbridges
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Synpower reminds me of the heavy MS)2 grease we used on the flap jackscrews on Cessnas. Marvelous grease, but don't put it on anything you don't want it on.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed [message #334750 is a reply to message #334692] |
Fri, 06 July 2018 18:32 |
Burt and Faye curtis
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Greased her up and is doing g much better.
Thank you everyone.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 5:00 PM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Fay,
>
> I am a BIG fan of Valvoline Synpower Full Synthetic, I use it on every
> grease nipple on every vehicle I own. The only place I don't use it is on
> the urethane lower control arm bushings; there I use silicone grease.
>
> Now people are saying to themselves "what grease nipples, my lower control
> arms don't have any grease nipples!"
>
> They are correct, when I install urethane bushings I drill a hole through
> the metal shell and bushing, I thread it and then screw in the grease
> nipple.
>
> The grease nipple serves two purposes; to grease the bushing and keep the
> bushing from rotating in the shell.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken
> Henderson
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 6:20 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Help with steering issue needed
>
> Fay,
>
> Your steering "notchiness" sounds very much like what I experienced 12-15
> years ago. I was headed from S. GA to Orlando when my steering developed
> that problem: As I turned it, it felt as if the wheel was binding. During
> return, the wheel either would be a little difficult at a spot or would
> almost lock there. Believing it to be a bad ball in the steering column CV
> joint, I resorted to doing "dipsy-doodles" (hard, long turns in one
> direction, then another) in any vacant parking lot I saw. It seldom
> helped.
>
> When I reached the GMC Coop (Jim Bounds' business) in Orlando, I removed
> the lower steering shaft and disassembled the CV joint. When spotlessly
> cleaned, there was NO sign of a damaged ball nor seat. Lubricating it with
> motor oil (which surely would be adequate for manual operation), I inserted
> screwdriver handles in each end and started moving it through all angles --
> NOT. It would move only with all the force I could put on it.
>
> After consulting with Jim, he got on the 'phone to find me a replacement.
> I returned to his shop, where I found an unopened tube of something I'd
> never seen before -- "Valvoline Synpower with MS02". I opened that and
> replaced the motor oil with the awful black stuff I found in the tube.
> Then I tried to move the joint, but couldn't, 'cause it just flopped around
> everywhere -- wouldn't maintain any position for me to move it to! I
> rushed back to the office and got Jim off of the 'phone.
>
> With the CV reinstalled, there was no longer ANY notchiness. Nor has there
> ever been since. And everyone I've insisted use that grease has found the
> same result -- Rick Denny comes to mind. I won't use anything else to
> grease any joint on any of my vehicles -- despite the fact that it's awful,
> stick to everything, wear the black off of hands, stuff. Thinking back to
> 1954, I remember that when Ford changed from the "every 1000 miles" chassis
> grease specification to "lifetime greased", MSO2 (and greatly improved
> seals) was the secret.
>
> Try it; won't cost much time or money and will probably cure the problem.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:44 PM Burt and Faye curtis curtisunlimitedbandf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> I am noticing that the steering has a
>> noticable notchinesss to it when turning. This is something new. Does
>> anyone in the GMC brain trust have suggestions as where to start looking
>> for the problem.?
>> ...
>>
>>
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