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| Steering box play [message #333613] |
Sun, 17 June 2018 17:05  |
Justin Brady
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Hey Guys,
Sorry or the questions, just got back from a trip trying to address some issues while they are fresh on my mind.
Trying to track down the play in my steering wheel.
First question is what is the best I can get? Having only driven my coach and a couple others that were in rough shape I don't know what I'm aiming for.
Can it be tight like a modern car or am I always going to have some play?
Going through the guide from Rob the only major movement I find is in the top of the steering box. With the motor off how much should I be able to move the steering shaft by turning it by hand?
I can spin it back and forth enough to move the steering wheel 5 degrees or so (estimate) without moving the wheel. I assume this is the source of my play but am unsure what's normal here.
Currently when running down the road with my thumb on the bottom center of the wheel I can probably move it 1/2"-1" in each direction. Just enough that It's annoying.
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] Steering box play [message #333616 is a reply to message #333613] |
Sun, 17 June 2018 17:44  |
Will Albers
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Same as mine. I know mine is not centered on the box, so I need to jack it
up and find center, then readjust. I'm curious if true center reduces free
play.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018, 6:22 PM Justin Brady wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> Sorry or the questions, just got back from a trip trying to address some
> issues while they are fresh on my mind.
> Trying to track down the play in my steering wheel.
> First question is what is the best I can get? Having only driven my coach
> and a couple others that were in rough shape I don't know what I'm aiming
> for.
> Can it be tight like a modern car or am I always going to have some play?
>
> Going through the guide from Rob the only major movement I find is in the
> top of the steering box. With the motor off how much should I be able to
> move the steering shaft by turning it by hand?
> I can spin it back and forth enough to move the steering wheel 5 degrees
> or so (estimate) without moving the wheel. I assume this is the source of my
> play but am unsure what's normal here.
>
> Currently when running down the road with my thumb on the bottom center of
> the wheel I can probably move it 1/2"-1" in each direction. Just enough
> that It's annoying.
>
>
> --
> Justin Brady
> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> 1976 Palm Beach 455
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| Re: Steering box play [message #333617 is a reply to message #333613] |
Sun, 17 June 2018 18:52 |
JohnL455
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Yes true center has almost no slop Your intermediate shaft may he clocked wrong and wheel might be not set to the scribe mark in the cabin. A whole accumulation of previous mechanics errors.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: Steering box play [message #333618 is a reply to message #333613] |
Sun, 17 June 2018 19:01 |
Scott Nutter
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I don't think that they will ever drive like a modern car unless you have perfect conditions like zero wind, brand new flat road, no cars passing you or vise versa, or towing a car. Any adverse wind on the sides will kick it around pretty good.
A lot of the original boxes are still pretty good. But if you have a concern, get one of Dave Lenzi's rebuilt ones. Well worth the price..
Steering is the most frustrating thing to me on these rigs.....
Scott.
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: [GMCnet] Steering box play [message #333620 is a reply to message #333613] |
Sun, 17 June 2018 19:31 |
Ken Henderson
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Location: Americus, GA
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Justin,
You should have basically NO play in the steering wheel. In your case,
with visible play in the steering box, your starting point is on page 9-22
of manual X-7525. That will tell you how to remove the power steering box
from the coach. (Hopefully) You do not then need to go through the
complete rebuilding process, but can skip to page 9-37, where you'll find
instructions for adjusting the steering box. DO NOT attempt to shortcut
those procedures, such as by doing them with the steering box still mounted
to the frame. If you do, your results with vary from less-than-perfect to
catastrophic. Without those settings being correct, all other efforts will
be in vain.
Once you've got the box adjusted properly and the "high point" located, you
can re-install it and check back here for further instructions for properly
aligning the steering column and checking the other 10-15 possible "loose
points" in the steering system. They've all got to be right to achieve
the best steering. Some of them are not well explained by the maintenance
manual.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:22 PM Justin Brady wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> Sorry or the questions, just got back from a trip trying to address some
> issues while they are fresh on my mind.
> Trying to track down the play in my steering wheel.
> First question is what is the best I can get? Having only driven my coach
> and a couple others that were in rough shape I don't know what I'm aiming
> for.
> Can it be tight like a modern car or am I always going to have some play?
>
> Going through the guide from Rob the only major movement I find is in the
> top of the steering box. With the motor off how much should I be able to
> move the steering shaft by turning it by hand?
> I can spin it back and forth enough to move the steering wheel 5 degrees
> or so (estimate) without moving the wheel. I assume this is the source of my
> play but am unsure what's normal here.
>
> Currently when running down the road with my thumb on the bottom center of
> the wheel I can probably move it 1/2"-1" in each direction. Just enough
> that It's annoying.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Steering box play [message #334599 is a reply to message #333620] |
Wed, 04 July 2018 14:13 |
Justin Brady
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So after going through several full steering system checks I decided to try tightening the preload up a bit in the box and see what happens before I pull it for a full rebuild.
Turns out that's all it needed to steer like a new car.
Point of this post is sometimes it's not something serious at all it's just a 30 second adjustment. Sure is nice when it goes that way
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] Steering box play [message #334603 is a reply to message #334599] |
Wed, 04 July 2018 14:58 |
Bruce Hart
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Be careful, after a few hundred miles the steering box can get very hard to
turn from improper tightening of the pitman shaft adjusting Allen screw.
Preload on the input bearing will also need to be addressed to properly
adjust pitman gear.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Justin Brady wrote:
> So after going through several full steering system checks I decided to
> try tightening the preload up a bit in the box and see what happens before I
> pull it for a full rebuild.
> Turns out that's all it needed to steer like a new car.
>
> Point of this post is sometimes it's not something serious at all it's
> just a 30 second adjustment. Sure is nice when it goes that way
>
> --
> Justin Brady
> http://www.thegmcrv.com/
> 1976 Palm Beach 455
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1976 Palm Beach
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| Re: Steering box play [message #334604 is a reply to message #333613] |
Wed, 04 July 2018 15:13 |
lqqkatjon
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From what I understand from Dave Lenzi and others. They have seen boxes destroyed by someone just tightening it up. I know one coach that is getting a new steering box because a mechanic did just that. Drove nice for a short but then got bad quick.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Steering box play [message #334627 is a reply to message #334624] |
Wed, 04 July 2018 20:38 |
Will Albers
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Thanks Matt!
On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 7:57 PM Matt Colie wrote:
> Will Albers wrote on Wed, 04 July 2018 17:23
>> What does Dave charge for a new box?
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> Will,
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> If it is from Dave, it will probably be rebuilt. In Dave's case, I would
> rather (and do) have something he rebuilt over a new part.
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> I have a list of Dave's prices around here somewhere, it I come across it
> I will let you know.
>
> Matt
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| Re: Steering box play [message #334634 is a reply to message #333613] |
Wed, 04 July 2018 23:12 |
Tilerpep
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I was in Florida at Alex Ferraras, and we fixed several things, and decided box was at end of life. He tightened it with the understanding I would replace soon, it drove nice for 550 miles home, and some small trips but then quickly went wonky. Full replacement followed.
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
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