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Thu, 07 June 2018 09:36  |
Keith V
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According to this:
http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing the axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium bolts right before a trip tomorrow.
Any Ideas?
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333166 is a reply to message #333165] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 09:46  |
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Keith,
Try turning the steering wheel to the full lock position to the right and see if it will come out, if it does not come out then turn
it to the full lock position to the left and try again.
In my opinion you can use the bolts again coat them with blue Locktite.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Keith V
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:36 AM
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Subject: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
According to this:
http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing the axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV
joint, it ALMOST come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium bolts right before a trip tomorrow.
Any Ideas?
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333168 is a reply to message #333167] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 10:09 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars force the lower control arms downwards?
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Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the heating/cooling
guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around both
shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes right
out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
> According to this:
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>
> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing the
> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST
> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>
> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium bolts
> right before a trip tomorrow.
>
> Any Ideas?
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333169 is a reply to message #333168] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 10:23 |
James Hupy
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Yes. And that provides just enough room to allow the stub axle to clear the
knuckle/hub assy. Me, I'd take the bolts out of the inboard joint, shove
the axle forward and up and put it in the shop vice where I could rassle
that boot into place.
Manny has a boot expansion tool that looks like a medieval torture
implement. It will expand the boot over the joint. I've seen it work, and I
still don't believe it.
Nothing about those front ends is easy. The 1 ton is much less of a
hassle. But, a trade off for some that they are unwilling to go for. To
each, his own I guess.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 8:10 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars
> force the lower control arms downwards?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>
> Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
> have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the heating/cooling
> guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around both
> shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes right
> out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
> taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
>
>> According to this:
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>>
>> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing the
>> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST
>> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>>
>> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium
> bolts
>> right before a trip tomorrow.
>>
>> Any Ideas?
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333171 is a reply to message #333169] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 11:27 |
Keith V
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well none of that worked for me, I turned the wheel left, right, removed the shock, unloaded the suspension ( it was sitting on cribbing ) the axle never had enough room to come out. Turning the wheel has zero effect as the centerline of the axle is the same as that of the hub.
The only solution short of removing the locktited inner flange was the upper ball joint, break that SOB loose and it works once you release the c clip from the second ridge.
So what worked for me was:
* Remove tire
*Remove inner tie rod
*Remove shock absorber
*Cut off the boot
*Release the c clip and slide the axle inboard
*Release the upper ball joint
*Tilt hub down to free the axle
*Clean and replace the C Clip ( note that there is a missing tooth where the C Clip tangs go!
*Fold the wide end of the boot over itself to keep it clean of grease
*Push the boot onto the axle, past the band groves
*Slip the axle back into the CV joint, ensure the c-clip snaps into place
*Put the upper ball joint back into the hub and snug it up
*Grease the CV joint
*Move the boot as close to the CV Joint as possible leaving room to squirt grease in to it
*Fill the boot with grease
*Push boot up against the cv joint
*Unfold the boot over the CV joint
*Put the band clamps on
*Put everything else back together
Not that between and during each step it will be necessary to:
*Swear profusely
*Beat on things with a hammer
*Use 3-4 paper towels to clean up the grease that gets everywhere
*Swear some more
*Use Swear words you thought you forgot
Keith Vasilakes
1976 ex-Royale
Mounds View Minnesota
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From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:23 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
Yes. And that provides just enough room to allow the stub axle to clear the
knuckle/hub assy. Me, I'd take the bolts out of the inboard joint, shove
the axle forward and up and put it in the shop vice where I could rassle
that boot into place.
Manny has a boot expansion tool that looks like a medieval torture
implement. It will expand the boot over the joint. I've seen it work, and I
still don't believe it.
Nothing about those front ends is easy. The 1 ton is much less of a
hassle. But, a trade off for some that they are unwilling to go for. To
each, his own I guess.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 8:10 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars
> force the lower control arms downwards?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>
> Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
> have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the heating/cooling
> guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around both
> shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes right
> out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
> taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
>
>> According to this:
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>>
>> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing the
>> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST
>> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>>
>> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium
> bolts
>> right before a trip tomorrow.
>>
>> Any Ideas?
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333185 is a reply to message #333169] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 16:11 |
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USAussie
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Jim,
When I rebuilt the entre front suspension in The Blue Streak I had the wheels off and the coach up on jack stands. I put a floor
jack under the RHD driver side and raised the lower control up enough to take the load off the shock and then removed it. I slowly
let the floor jack down and it wound up at the 7:00 position. I repeated that exercise on the RHD passenger side and the lower
control arm wound up at the 5:00 position.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:23 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
Yes. And that provides just enough room to allow the stub axle to clear the
knuckle/hub assy. Me, I'd take the bolts out of the inboard joint, shove
the axle forward and up and put it in the shop vice where I could rassle
that boot into place.
Manny has a boot expansion tool that looks like a medieval torture
implement. It will expand the boot over the joint. I've seen it work, and I
still don't believe it.
Nothing about those front ends is easy. The 1 ton is much less of a
hassle. But, a trade off for some that they are unwilling to go for. To
each, his own I guess.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 8:10 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars
> force the lower control arms downwards?
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>
> Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
> have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the heating/cooling
> guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around both
> shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes right
> out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
> taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
>
>> According to this:
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>>
>> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing the
>> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST
>> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>>
>> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium
> bolts
>> right before a trip tomorrow.
>>
>> Any Ideas?
>> _______________________________________________
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333186 is a reply to message #333185] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 16:22 |
James Hupy
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Rob, it depends how much preload is on the torsion bars. I use torsion bar
tools to unload the adjusters, then they are safe to be around. Support
under the bottom of the lower control arm also works. That way, the
indexing of the pork chop and torsion bars does not change, and you can
safely remove the fasteners without fighting them when re-assembling. Not
the only way, just my way.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 2:12 PM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> When I rebuilt the entre front suspension in The Blue Streak I had the
> wheels off and the coach up on jack stands. I put a floor
> jack under the RHD driver side and raised the lower control up enough to
> take the load off the shock and then removed it. I slowly
> let the floor jack down and it wound up at the 7:00 position. I repeated
> that exercise on the RHD passenger side and the lower
> control arm wound up at the 5:00 position.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:23 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>
> Yes. And that provides just enough room to allow the stub axle to clear the
> knuckle/hub assy. Me, I'd take the bolts out of the inboard joint, shove
> the axle forward and up and put it in the shop vice where I could rassle
> that boot into place.
> Manny has a boot expansion tool that looks like a medieval torture
> implement. It will expand the boot over the joint. I've seen it work, and I
> still don't believe it.
> Nothing about those front ends is easy. The 1 ton is much less of a
> hassle. But, a trade off for some that they are unwilling to go for. To
> each, his own I guess.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 8:10 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars
>> force the lower control arms downwards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> James
>> Hupy
>> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>>
>> Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
>> have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the heating/cooling
>> guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around
> both
>> shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes right
>> out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
>> taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
>>
>>> According to this:
>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>>>
>>> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing
> the
>>> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST
>>> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>>>
>>> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium
>> bolts
>>> right before a trip tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Any Ideas?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333190 is a reply to message #333165] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 17:39 |
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Even so, it will probably take some tweakin'. Never seen one that didn't.
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 3:32 PM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Five will get you ten if you don't unload the pork chops and remove the
> shocks with a floor jack under the lower control arms of a
> coach that has the ride height set correctly before you begin it's like I
> said 7:00 and 5:00.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 4:22 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>
> Rob, it depends how much preload is on the torsion bars. I use torsion bar
> tools to unload the adjusters, then they are safe to be around. Support
> under the bottom of the lower control arm also works. That way, the
> indexing of the pork chop and torsion bars does not change, and you can
> safely remove the fasteners without fighting them when re-assembling. Not
> the only way, just my way.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 2:12 PM Rob Mueller wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> When I rebuilt the entre front suspension in The Blue Streak I had the
>> wheels off and the coach up on jack stands. I put a floor
>> jack under the RHD driver side and raised the lower control up enough to
>> take the load off the shock and then removed it. I slowly
>> let the floor jack down and it wound up at the 7:00 position. I repeated
>> that exercise on the RHD passenger side and the lower
>> control arm wound up at the 5:00 position.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> James
>> Hupy
>> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:23 AM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>>
>> Yes. And that provides just enough room to allow the stub axle to clear
> the
>> knuckle/hub assy. Me, I'd take the bolts out of the inboard joint, shove
>> the axle forward and up and put it in the shop vice where I could rassle
>> that boot into place.
>> Manny has a boot expansion tool that looks like a medieval torture
>> implement. It will expand the boot over the joint. I've seen it work,
> and I
>> still don't believe it.
>> Nothing about those front ends is easy. The 1 ton is much less of a
>> hassle. But, a trade off for some that they are unwilling to go for. To
>> each, his own I guess.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 8:10 AM Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars
>>> force the lower control arms downwards?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob M.
>>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>>> Sydney, Australia
>>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> James
>>> Hupy
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
>>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>>>
>>> Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
>>> have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the
> heating/cooling
>>> guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around
>> both
>>> shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes
> right
>>> out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
>>> taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
>>> Jim Hupy
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to this:
>>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>>>>
>>>> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing
>> the
>>>> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it
> ALMOST
>>>> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>>>>
>>>> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium
>>> bolts
>>>> right before a trip tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Any Ideas?
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333191 is a reply to message #333186] |
Thu, 07 June 2018 17:31 |
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USAussie
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Jim,
Five will get you ten if you don't unload the pork chops and remove the shocks with a floor jack under the lower control arms of a
coach that has the ride height set correctly before you begin it's like I said 7:00 and 5:00.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 4:22 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
Rob, it depends how much preload is on the torsion bars. I use torsion bar
tools to unload the adjusters, then they are safe to be around. Support
under the bottom of the lower control arm also works. That way, the
indexing of the pork chop and torsion bars does not change, and you can
safely remove the fasteners without fighting them when re-assembling. Not
the only way, just my way.
Jim Hupy
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 2:12 PM Rob Mueller wrote:
> Jim,
>
> When I rebuilt the entre front suspension in The Blue Streak I had the
> wheels off and the coach up on jack stands. I put a floor
> jack under the RHD driver side and raised the lower control up enough to
> take the load off the shock and then removed it. I slowly
> let the floor jack down and it wound up at the 7:00 position. I repeated
> that exercise on the RHD passenger side and the lower
> control arm wound up at the 5:00 position.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James
> Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 10:23 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>
> Yes. And that provides just enough room to allow the stub axle to clear the
> knuckle/hub assy. Me, I'd take the bolts out of the inboard joint, shove
> the axle forward and up and put it in the shop vice where I could rassle
> that boot into place.
> Manny has a boot expansion tool that looks like a medieval torture
> implement. It will expand the boot over the joint. I've seen it work, and I
> still don't believe it.
> Nothing about those front ends is easy. The 1 ton is much less of a
> hassle. But, a trade off for some that they are unwilling to go for. To
> each, his own I guess.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 8:10 AM Rob Mueller wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> If Keith removes both ends of the shock absorber won't the torsion bars
>> force the lower control arms downwards?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> James
>> Hupy
>> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:51 AM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement
>>
>> Keith, remove the tie rod end and the shock absorber (both ends) If you
>> have gas shocks, a trick I use is a big zip tie like the heating/cooling
>> guys use on ducting. You can get long enough ones that will go around
> both
>> shock eyes and prevent the shock from extending. Then it just comes right
>> out. That will leave you enough room to manipulate the axle out without
>> taking the inboard bolts out. Still a p.i.t.a.
>> Jim Hupy
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 7:37 AM Keith V wrote:
>>
>>> According to this:
>>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#boot
>>>
>>> Bob Drews says it's possible to replace the CV boot without removing
> the
>>> axle, I don't see it, my axle won't come out of the CV joint, it ALMOST
>>> come out but the inner bottoms out ( yes I released the C Clip! )
>>>
>>> I really don't want to remove the inner flange with it's unobtainium
>> bolts
>>> right before a trip tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Any Ideas?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] CV boot replacement [message #333232 is a reply to message #333165] |
Fri, 08 June 2018 11:35 |
jhbridges
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Kieth, I took off the shock and control arm, cussed, fumed, sweated, and called George Zhookoff, who showed up, moved the steering wheel, lifted the end, and it slid into place. Send him a note and ask where to turn and how much.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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