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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #332986 is a reply to message #332984] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 02:00   |
Ken Burton
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BobDunahugh wrote on Mon, 04 June 2018 00:39I didn't like having the water heater hoses laying on the valve covers, and intake manifold. Vibration, heat, and just in the way. Made no sense to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
Did the same thing many years ago I mounted two Tee's to the bottom of the floor One lines up with the back of the engine and the other with the front of the engine.
You are correct. No clutter around the right side valve cover and manifold now.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #332988 is a reply to message #332986] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 06:19 |
Ken Henderson
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Y'All seem to be determined to put me to work!! When I acquired and
stripped Tweety Bird in '98, the water heater hoses were included in the
new installation. Ain't been touched since. Guess maybe it's time I took
a look at them, huh? Not looking forward to that task. I'm not sure I
left any way, other than Water Heater removal, to get to the back of that
WH. :-(
Stay tuned for cries of agony.
Ken H.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:03 AM Ken Burton wrote:
> BobDunahugh wrote on Mon, 04 June 2018 00:39
>> I didn't like having the water heater hoses laying on the valve covers,
> and intake manifold. Vibration, heat, and just in the way. Made no sense
>> to me for being there. So I routed them around the engine. Then hung
> them from the underside of the floor with rubber covered steel straps. Sure
>> cleaned up that area for service. And safer as to potential leaks. Bob
> Dunahugh 78 Royale The Mouse House
>
>
> Did the same thing many years ago I mounted two Tee's to the bottom of the
> floor One lines up with the back of the engine and the other with the front
> of the engine.
>
> You are correct. No clutter around the right side valve cover and
> manifold now.
>
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #333028 is a reply to message #332989] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 16:03 |
Rick Staples
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Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well, assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour and a quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat from the engine just makes me feel good.
My .02, YMMV
Rick Staples
Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #333031 is a reply to message #333028] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 16:30 |
James Hupy
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Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
through Red Bluff in August.
Been there, done that.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples wrote:
> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> and a
> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> from the engine just makes me feel good.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
>
>
> --
> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
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> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths
> may run ill." -Tolkien
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #333081 is a reply to message #333028] |
Tue, 05 June 2018 11:36 |
Richard Denney
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Hmmm. I fire up my generator and can have a hot shower in about 15-20
minutes.
Rick "whose water heater is certainly nothing special" Denney
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Richard H Staples
wrote:
> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
> and a
> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
> from the engine just makes me feel good.
> My .02, YMMV
> Rick Staples
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #333082 is a reply to message #333031] |
Tue, 05 June 2018 11:42 |
Richard Denney
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Lots of GMC's were delivered as Transmodes without water heaters, and used
in applications where no water heater would be installed.
I could add that my cooling system showed no change in behavior after I
removed the water heater connection, but that connection was so poorly
designed I'm not sure it ever really made the water in the heater hot in
the first place.
I've left the opportunity to hook it up again should I replace my water
heater. I think I would like to get a propane water heater to replace my
electric one, but that's way low on the list.
Rick "who'd rather just bring the cooling system up to snuff" Denney
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:30 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
> system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
> part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
> Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
> reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
> I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
> from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
> windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
> through Red Bluff in August.
> Been there, done that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples
> wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
>> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
>> and a
>> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
>> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
>> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
>> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
>> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
>> from the engine just makes me feel good.
>> My .02, YMMV
>> Rick Staples
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
>>
>> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all
> paths
>> may run ill." -Tolkien
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #333085 is a reply to message #333082] |
Tue, 05 June 2018 12:31 |
Keith V
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My ex-Royale has a 3 way water heater, gas/electric/engine, the engine heat get it up to temp about as fast as the engine heats up. I doubt it make much of a thermal sink
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Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine
Lots of GMC's were delivered as Transmodes without water heaters, and used
in applications where no water heater would be installed.
I could add that my cooling system showed no change in behavior after I
removed the water heater connection, but that connection was so poorly
designed I'm not sure it ever really made the water in the heater hot in
the first place.
I've left the opportunity to hook it up again should I replace my water
heater. I think I would like to get a propane water heater to replace my
electric one, but that's way low on the list.
Rick "who'd rather just bring the cooling system up to snuff" Denney
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:30 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Don't forget that the heat exchanger is also part of your engine cooling
> system. Don't know what percentage it represents, but, it might just be the
> part that absorbs the heat from the top of the Tehachapi pass, or the
> Grapevine. Don't know for sure. These coaches do not have a whole lot of
> reserve cooling capability, I wouldn't remove much of it, if it were mine.
> I have had Detroit cars that needed the heater on full blast to keep
> from overheating in very hot weather. No fun, heater on full, all the
> windows down, wind wings tipped forward, couple of crying kids, driving
> through Red Bluff in August.
> Been there, done that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 2:17 PM Richard H Staples
> wrote:
>
>> Jim wrote: "how long does it take to heat up 6 gal. of water?" Well,
>> assuming no heat loss and an actual 120V at your campsite, about an hour
>> and a
>> quarter. If you're using all 20 amps that some campgrounds supply to run
>> your roof A/C on a 100 degree day, it takes until well after sundown. If
>> you're dry camping with NO electricity, it takes until you manage to get
>> the "Oh Nan!" running, plus an hour and change.
>> Obviously, we all have our priorities, but the idea of getting FREE heat
>> from the engine just makes me feel good.
>> My .02, YMMV
>> Rick Staples
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO
>>
>> "Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all
> paths
>> may run ill." -Tolkien
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Getting the water heater hoses off your engine [message #333103 is a reply to message #333028] |
Tue, 05 June 2018 17:35 |
Jim Galbavy
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Rick,
I have a Honda EV6010 that I sprung for 15 years ago to replace
the troll. I wanted to have reliable power. On a hot day of travel
I'm running the gen set anyway to power the roof air so the water
heater is on so there is not a problem. If at a campground, and find
that they are having a "brown out" due to lack of amperage, I'll leave
and find a campground that has correct power. Last case, the Honda only
uses about 2/3 a gal./hr. Did that in the past during the hurricanes.
jim Galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
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