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| fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332924] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 19:30  |
pzerkel
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I have a fuel leak at the carb. It appears to me to be coming from where the filter housing attaches to the carb body, and not from the fuel line from the fuel pump. FWIW, I am using this fuel line from Applied. http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/853
I had a spare parts quadrajet, and robbed the filter housing from there. That did not fix the leak.
I am not sure how to fix this. But obviously it needs to get fixed as I am not driving the coach with gas dripping onto the motor. I am really not ready to put fuel injection on at this point, but is it going to take a card rebuild? I am willing to go that far if needed. But I wanted to find out if there may be a simpler/cheaper solution first.
Paul Zerkel
'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332925 is a reply to message #332924] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 19:45  |
mrgmc3
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Unfortunately it is very easy to cross thread the filter housing and wreck the threads in the carb body (float bowl). I suggest to anyone who will listen to turn the filter housing three or four turns before putting a wrench on it. It's best to install the filter housing completely by hand and just snug it up with a wrench then screw in the fuel line. If you are lucky the gasket is crooked or the filter housing is just not seated completely. If you are unlucky the threads are stripped. You may be able to clean them with a tap, but most likely you will have to use the float bowl from your spare quadrajet. Inspect the threads very carefully before proceeding.
Chris Geils - Twin Cities / W Wa
1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; PD9040, aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, Alcoas, 54k mi
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332927 is a reply to message #332924] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 19:54 |
JohnL455
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Remove fuel line. Remove fuel inlet. Inspect threads and gasket condition. When reassembling snug inlet to carb body. When installing fuel line use opposing wrenches to not move inlet. Avoid winding up the fuel line which will then apply reversing torque on the inlet and may loosen it during heat/cool cycles.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332929 is a reply to message #332925] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 20:25 |
James Hupy
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There is supposed to be a gasket between the filter housing and carb body.
It sometimes fails and leaks. It is really thin and fragile, as well as
hard to see. If the threads are stripped, there is a TOMCO repair kit for
that.
Jim Hupy
On Sat, Jun 2, 2018, 6:12 PM Chris Geils via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Unfortunately it is very easy to cross thread the filter housing and wreck
> the threads in the carb body (float bowl). I suggest to anyone who will
> listen to turn the filter housing three or four turns before putting a
> wrench on it. It's best to install the filter housing completely by hand
> and
> just snug it up with a wrench then screw in the fuel line. If you are
> lucky the gasket is crooked or the filter housing is just not seated
> completely. If you are unlucky the threads are stripped. You may be able
> to clean them with a tap, but most likely you will have to use the float
> bowl from your spare quadrajet. Inspect the threads very carefully before
> proceeding.
> --
> Chris Geils - Twin Cities
> 1978 26' Kingsley w/ very few mods; Headers, Progressive Dynamics 9040,
> aux trans cooler, one repaint in stock colors, R134a, Al rad, 50k mi
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332930 is a reply to message #332924] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 22:12 |
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Jerry Sitzlar
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Paul,
I used the same insulated flex line as you are using, and could not get it to stop leaking. I ordered that hose to replace a PO installed part regular line and part rubber hose. I thought maybe I was routing it wrong from the fuel pump to the carb, nope it didn't matter which way it went, still leaked at the inlet. Tried new filter inlet, nope. Chuck Boyd gave me an OEM fuel line and no more leaks. I insulated the line with an insulating sleeve and gave the flex line to Chuck.
Jerry
Jerry Sitzlar..... 77 Eleganza II, Twin bed, dry bath...... Lenoir City, TN (near Knoxville)
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332932 is a reply to message #332930] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 22:36 |
Carl S.
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You can get the aforementioned 'gasket' at NAPA. They cone in a Dorman 'Help' blister pack. The ones you need ate thin nylon rings. IF that is the problem, one of those should fix it. I have one of the insulated braided stainless flex lines and have never had a leak problem with it.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332933 is a reply to message #332932] |
Sat, 02 June 2018 22:47 |
Carl S.
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Funny story about this: I had a very slight leak from the filter housing gasket on the way to Las Vegas last January, just enough to make a slight gas smell, and needed to replace that gasket. On the way to meet my daughter's family for breakfast, we stopped at an O'Reilly's to see if we could get one. The thirty-something 'assistant manager' had NO IDEA what a Quadrajet even was, much less what kind of gasket I needed. "Is that some kind of Holley?" he asked.
We looked up the location of the nearest NAPA, and found one a few miles away and barely out of our way back to my daughter's house. There was a guy there with a gray beard who knew exactly what I needed and exactly where to find it in the store. A few bucks later and we were on our way. I completed the repair before leaving for our next destination a few days later.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| [GMCnet] Bad parts store employees (was: RE: fuel leak at carb filterhousing) [message #332947 is a reply to message #332933] |
Sun, 03 June 2018 09:47 |
Dave Stragand
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On the subject of bad parts store employees... A few years back I had the following exchange with an AutoZone parts counter employee.
ME: "I need front and rear transmission seals for a 1958 Plymouth with a Torqueflite."
AZ: "Hmmm... The computer says there weren't any Plymouths built before 1962."
ME: "The computer is wrong. Do you have a -book- that shows the seals? I can look it up myself, if you'd like."
AZ: "Are you sure it's not a '62?"
ME: "Yes. Very sure."
AZ: "Then it's not a Plymouth. They didn't make them until 1962. What model is it again?"
ME: "A Savoy. A PLYMOUTH Savoy. 1958."
AZ: "I thought you said it was a 'Witchy Tork Fly' or something..."
ME: "WITH A TORQUEFLITE. The transmission is a Torqueflite. Torqueflite. 3 speed. PLYMOUTH. The model is a Savoy. 1958."
AZ: "Hmmm... 58... 58... Oh! It's an Oldsmobile, not a Plymouth."
ME: "No, I'm very sure it's a Plymouth."
AZ: "Well, it's an Oldsmobile, actually. Like the Ninety-Eight."
ME: "Do you have a manager around here somewhere? Anywhere? Please?"
AZ: "Hmmm.. The computer isn't showing any 3 speed transmissions for a 1998 Oldsmobile... and they don't list that model, either..."
ME: "1958... PLYMOUTH... SAVOY... WITH... A... 3... SPEEED... TORQUEFLITE... TRANSMISSION..."
AZ: "I'm sorry, sir, they didn't make the Plymouth until 1962..."
ME: "LISTEN CAREFULLY. Do you have a manager around here somewhere?"
AZ: "Why? Is there something wrong?"
The thing is, I don't expect younger folks to know a great deal about older vehicles. I understand that. The sad thing is so many young folks today have a complete and total dependence on the electronic information systems, and can't use common sense if the computer don't provide the correct information.
Another example: I bought a drink at a convenience store. It was $1.99. I gave the cashier $2 but he punched in $20 cash tendered by accident. He was insistent that I now give him a $20 instead of the $2 because that's what the computer said. I told him keep the penny but he threatened to call the police on me unless I stayed until he called his corporate help line to get things straightened out. He was convinced I would be "stealing" $18.01 and no amount of common sense could get override his total dependence on the computer.
If you have a good parts store guy or gal near you, bring them donuts some morning or a 6-pack some evening just to say thanks.
-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bad parts store employees (was: RE: fuel leak at carb filterhousing) [message #332949 is a reply to message #332947] |
Sun, 03 June 2018 11:03 |
Emery Stora
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I was at a NAPA store yesterday and I asked the employee at the counter if they had a tube of the conductive grease to use under a distributor module. He pointed to a counter and said it would be there.
I looked over the whole counter and didn’t find any. I then asked him if he could come over and find it for me.
He came to the counter and pulled off a tube of Permatex RTV . I told him that is not what I wanted and then asked him if he knew what I wanted. He said yes I know. So I said where do you keep it.
He said “right here”. So I said ”where is it”? He said “that’s all we have”. So I replied “but you don’t have any?”. He then left me and went back to his cash register. So I walked out and went to a nearby O’Riellys and bought some there.
Apparently good help is hard to find!!
Emery Stora
> On Jun 3, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Dave Stragand wrote:
>
> On the subject of bad parts store employees... A few years back I had the following exchange with an AutoZone parts counter employee.
>
> ME: "I need front and rear transmission seals for a 1958 Plymouth with a Torqueflite."
>
> AZ: "Hmmm... The computer says there weren't any Plymouths built before 1962."
>
> ME: "The computer is wrong. Do you have a -book- that shows the seals? I can look it up myself, if you'd like."
>
> AZ: "Are you sure it's not a '62?"
>
> ME: "Yes. Very sure."
>
> AZ: "Then it's not a Plymouth. They didn't make them until 1962. What model is it again?"
>
> ME: "A Savoy. A PLYMOUTH Savoy. 1958."
>
> AZ: "I thought you said it was a 'Witchy Tork Fly' or something..."
>
> ME: "WITH A TORQUEFLITE. The transmission is a Torqueflite. Torqueflite. 3 speed. PLYMOUTH. The model is a Savoy. 1958."
>
> AZ: "Hmmm... 58... 58... Oh! It's an Oldsmobile, not a Plymouth."
>
> ME: "No, I'm very sure it's a Plymouth."
>
> AZ: "Well, it's an Oldsmobile, actually. Like the Ninety-Eight."
>
> ME: "Do you have a manager around here somewhere? Anywhere? Please?"
>
> AZ: "Hmmm.. The computer isn't showing any 3 speed transmissions for a 1998 Oldsmobile... and they don't list that model, either..."
>
> ME: "1958... PLYMOUTH... SAVOY... WITH... A... 3... SPEEED... TORQUEFLITE... TRANSMISSION..."
>
> AZ: "I'm sorry, sir, they didn't make the Plymouth until 1962..."
>
> ME: "LISTEN CAREFULLY. Do you have a manager around here somewhere?"
>
> AZ: "Why? Is there something wrong?"
>
> The thing is, I don't expect younger folks to know a great deal about older vehicles. I understand that. The sad thing is so many young folks today have a complete and total dependence on the electronic information systems, and can't use common sense if the computer don't provide the correct information.
>
> Another example: I bought a drink at a convenience store. It was $1.99. I gave the cashier $2 but he punched in $20 cash tendered by accident. He was insistent that I now give him a $20 instead of the $2 because that's what the computer said. I told him keep the penny but he threatened to call the police on me unless I stayed until he called his corporate help line to get things straightened out. He was convinced I would be "stealing" $18.01 and no amount of common sense could get override his total dependence on the computer.
>
> If you have a good parts store guy or gal near you, bring them donuts some morning or a 6-pack some evening just to say thanks.
>
> -Dave
> 1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Bad parts store employees (was: RE: fuel leak at carb filterhousing) [message #332956 is a reply to message #332949] |
Sun, 03 June 2018 13:08 |
sgltrac
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Good help is EXTREMELY hard to find Emery. Ask anyone in business who is
involved in the recruitment and hiring of employees and you will get the
same story. Prospective employees today will.....
1 Tell YOU when they can meet for an interview.
2 set up an interview and no show without a hint of remorse
3 claim competence and experience in job aspects which they truly have no
exposure let alone experience
Then once hired......
Show up late with excuses which in their minds legitimize their tardiness
but in reality all stem from not leaving early enough to ensure timely
arrival at work. “Traffic was really bad this morning”. It’s bad every
morning knucklehead. It’s the same amount of bad every morning.
Clock in for work and then spend the first 10-15 minutes getting ready to
work ( change clothes, make coffe in the break room, go to the bathroom etc)
Walk off the job without even actually quitting. ( you figure that one out
for yourself when they cannot be located. )
My #1 reason I look forward to retiring is the lack of reliable, competent
and quality minded employees who actually have standards that they evaluate
themselves by. I enjoy my trade. I do not enjoy being a baby sitter or
having to try and teach people to have drive for excellence and pride in
quality work. No matter what their position in the company.
And before you reply to this that I am not paying enough consider that we
pay more than market average in all positions.
Rant over.
Sully
Coachless
Bellevue.
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 12:04 PM Emery Stora wrote:
> I was at a NAPA store yesterday and I asked the employee at the counter if
> they had a tube of the conductive grease to use under a distributor
> module. He pointed to a counter and said it would be there.
> I looked over the whole counter and didn’t find any. I then asked him if
> he could come over and find it for me.
> He came to the counter and pulled off a tube of Permatex RTV . I told him
> that is not what I wanted and then asked him if he knew what I wanted. He
> said yes I know. So I said where do you keep it.
> He said “right here”. So I said ”where is it”? He said “that’s all we
> have”. So I replied “but you don’t have any?”. He then left me and went
> back to his cash register. So I walked out and went to a nearby O’Riellys
> and bought some there.
>
> Apparently good help is hard to find!!
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Jun 3, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Dave Stragand
> wrote:
>>
>> On the subject of bad parts store employees... A few years back I had
> the following exchange with an AutoZone parts counter employee.
>>
>> ME: "I need front and rear transmission seals for a 1958 Plymouth with a
> Torqueflite."
>>
>> AZ: "Hmmm... The computer says there weren't any Plymouths built before
> 1962."
>>
>> ME: "The computer is wrong. Do you have a -book- that shows the seals?
> I can look it up myself, if you'd like."
>>
>> AZ: "Are you sure it's not a '62?"
>>
>> ME: "Yes. Very sure."
>>
>> AZ: "Then it's not a Plymouth. They didn't make them until 1962. What
> model is it again?"
>>
>> ME: "A Savoy. A PLYMOUTH Savoy. 1958."
>>
>> AZ: "I thought you said it was a 'Witchy Tork Fly' or something..."
>>
>> ME: "WITH A TORQUEFLITE. The transmission is a Torqueflite.
> Torqueflite. 3 speed. PLYMOUTH. The model is a Savoy. 1958."
>>
>> AZ: "Hmmm... 58... 58... Oh! It's an Oldsmobile, not a Plymouth."
>>
>> ME: "No, I'm very sure it's a Plymouth."
>>
>> AZ: "Well, it's an Oldsmobile, actually. Like the Ninety-Eight."
>>
>> ME: "Do you have a manager around here somewhere? Anywhere? Please?"
>>
>> AZ: "Hmmm.. The computer isn't showing any 3 speed transmissions for a
> 1998 Oldsmobile... and they don't list that model, either..."
>>
>> ME: "1958... PLYMOUTH... SAVOY... WITH... A... 3... SPEEED...
> TORQUEFLITE... TRANSMISSION..."
>>
>> AZ: "I'm sorry, sir, they didn't make the Plymouth until 1962..."
>>
>> ME: "LISTEN CAREFULLY. Do you have a manager around here somewhere?"
>>
>> AZ: "Why? Is there something wrong?"
>>
>> The thing is, I don't expect younger folks to know a great deal about
> older vehicles. I understand that. The sad thing is so many young folks
> today have a complete and total dependence on the electronic information
> systems, and can't use common sense if the computer don't provide the
> correct information.
>>
>> Another example: I bought a drink at a convenience store. It was $1.99.
> I gave the cashier $2 but he punched in $20 cash tendered by accident. He
> was insistent that I now give him a $20 instead of the $2 because that's
> what the computer said. I told him keep the penny but he threatened to
> call the police on me unless I stayed until he called his corporate help
> line to get things straightened out. He was convinced I would be
> "stealing" $18.01 and no amount of common sense could get override his
> total dependence on the computer.
>>
>> If you have a good parts store guy or gal near you, bring them donuts
> some morning or a 6-pack some evening just to say thanks.
>>
>> -Dave
>> 1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh
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Future motorhome land speed record holder(bucket list)
Seattle, Wa.
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332957 is a reply to message #332924] |
Sun, 03 June 2018 13:14 |
pzerkel
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Thanks to everyone who responded. I think I have this resolved. I believe I had two issues.
Jim Hupy wrote: "There is supposed to be a gasket between the filter housing and carb body.
It sometimes fails and leaks. It is really thin and fragile, as well as
hard to see."
I did not see that gasket. I bought this kit https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NDP7309573 And one of those fit. But installing it did not fix the issue. I took a closer look at my fuel filter. I am not sure what brand that filter was-but I think it was Wix. It did have the integrated gasket on the inlet end. Pulling the fuel filter I realized there was another separate gasket also in the housing. But looking more closely at the fuel filter, I realized it was "twisted". It was not true from front to back. I suspect because of this the gasket at the inlet was not seating well enough to seal.
The spare filter I had on hand was an Autozone one. It had neither an integrated gasket on the inlet end nor an included gasket in the package. So I put the loose gasket that was already in the housing back in, replaced the fuel filter with the spare I had. I ran the engine it was staying dry. I only ran it for a few minutes. But previously it was leaking even before the engine started, as soon as I started cranking and the fuel pump started pumping.
A few of you mentioned extreme care is needed to avoid cross threading. I had read this before, and always finger tighten that as much as I can before putting a wrench to it. But I still worry about tightening it too much. As for the fuel line removal, I always use a flare wrench on the fuel line, and hold the filter housing with a 1" open end wrench. I guess I should invest in a 1" flare wrench, but have not done so yet.
Also re the fuel line. It seems there are mixed opinions about the Applied flex fuel line I am using. It is a braided steel line with an insulation sleeve. To me the hose itself looks similar to Applied stainless steel brake lines. Personally I am comfortable with the safety aspect of it. It certainly makes removal and installation of that carb fuel filter much easier than steel line. And I know it is way safer than the rubber fuel line it replaced.
Thanks again for everyone's help.
Paul Zerkel
'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332970 is a reply to message #332924] |
Sun, 03 June 2018 19:46 |
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Jerry Sitzlar
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I have attached jillions of fuel lines to Rochester carb filter housings (I'm 75) and have never left the gasket out or cross threaded it. On that stainless flex line it acted like it was too short by just a little. I tried routing it different ways, reversed it, used teflon tape, replaced the filter housing and gasket and took pictures of another installation to make sure that I was installing it correctly. It just had too much strain on it and it leaked every time that I tried. Not one single wet spot when I went to the OEM hard line. The PO had installed a new fuel pump prior to my purchasing the coach, maybe the pump is different than the OEM pump, I didn't compare it. I don't know. I gave the flex line to Chuck B, I don't know if he ever used it or not. The Applied line is well made and I would have rather used it, but.....
Jerry
Jerry Sitzlar..... 77 Eleganza II, Twin bed, dry bath...... Lenoir City, TN (near Knoxville)
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| Re: fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332990 is a reply to message #332924] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 07:49 |
jhbridges
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Parts House Roulette. We've two here with old gray headed poots working there - Dollar Carburetor and Slack Auto Parts. When you go in, if it's before about 1996 or so, the youngster calls the Old Poot and asks. And remembers for next time. As a result, there's little turniover in the help and they learn.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel leak at carb filterhousing [message #332991 is a reply to message #332990] |
Mon, 04 June 2018 08:18 |
jimk
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Jerry,
We have a fix for the leaky fitting, calll me.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:03 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Parts House Roulette. We've two here with old gray headed poots working
> there - Dollar Carburetor and Slack Auto Parts. When you go in, if it's
> before about 1996 or so, the youngster calls the Old Poot and asks. And
> remembers for next time. As a result, there's little turniover in the help
> and they learn.
>
> --johnny
>
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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