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[GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331638] Wed, 02 May 2018 09:29 Go to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags sat for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed air added for that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And never about the ones that don't. So was I just really lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331640 is a reply to message #331638] Wed, 02 May 2018 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I really hate to comment for fear that mine might start leaking. I also
have a 78 with my wireless air remote controlled system. It has cut off
valves at the bag inlets, but they are always open. The system has not
leaked down yet, either. Most leaks that I find in coaches that I work on
are in the valves mounted in the dash, or the compressor mounted on the
front frame rail, or the big air tank under the battery tray. Any connector
is a source for a leak. Same with solenoids.
Jim Hupy

On Wed, May 2, 2018, 7:30 AM Bob Dunahugh wrote:

> We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags
> sat for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed air added for
> that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And never about
> the ones that don't. So was I just really lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331643 is a reply to message #331640] Wed, 02 May 2018 10:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Richard Denney is currently offline  Richard Denney   United States
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The fitting used in the original bags screws into the bag, and that can
leak, too. I think I have a leak in one of mine there. I have replaced the
tank and all its fittings, the compressor, and I'm using JR's valves with
all his fittings. I added an air pressure gauge--a good Autometer gauge.
I'm getting ready to replace a leveling valve that doesn't want to behave,
but even when it behaved, I still had leaks. I have not yet replaced ALL
the tubing, but maybe I'll do that when I rebuild the back end next year.

Rick "leaks are a sign of leaks, not a sign of poor maintenance or upkeep"
Denney

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:42 AM, James Hupy wrote:

> I really hate to comment for fear that mine might start leaking. I also
> have a 78 with my wireless air remote controlled system. It has cut off
> valves at the bag inlets, but they are always open. The system has not
> leaked down yet, either. Most leaks that I find in coaches that I work on
> are in the valves mounted in the dash, or the compressor mounted on the
> front frame rail, or the big air tank under the battery tray. Any connector
> is a source for a leak. Same with solenoids.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018, 7:30 AM Bob Dunahugh wrote:
>
>> We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags
>> sat for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed air added for
>> that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And never about
>> the ones that don't. So was I just really lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331644 is a reply to message #331638] Wed, 02 May 2018 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Bob,

With all due respect the guys that designed the GMC put the "TRAVEL" position on the switch for a reason; they wanted the pressure
in the bags to be regulated by the height control valves while the GMC was being driven.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bob Dunahugh
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Subject: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal?

We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags sat for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed
air added for that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And never about the ones that don't. So was I just really
lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331645 is a reply to message #331638] Wed, 02 May 2018 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
BobDunahugh is currently offline  BobDunahugh   United States
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Rob. I put the switch in travel all the time with the first 78. Till I had to start running about 3 inches higher then what GM called for. Not happy about the loss of some frontend caster due to the increased rear height. Now with the Quad bags. I run with all the bags turned off. This gives me the safety that if something happens to one bag. The rear will not drop. The Q bags seem to be more stable on the road. And improved control with side wind gust. With bags turned on or off. Bob Dunahugh 78 Royale


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Subject: My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal?

We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags sat for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed air added for that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And never about the ones that don't. So was I just really lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331650 is a reply to message #331644] Wed, 02 May 2018 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Travel settings vary between the various incantations of air systems.
Probably 1/3 of all the coaches I see have the valves turned off at the
bags. They seem to please the owners. My particular Royale ride height is
controlled by pressure, not electronic gauges. It does quite well.
Jim Hupy

On May 2, 2018 8:26 AM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:

Bob,

With all due respect the guys that designed the GMC put the "TRAVEL"
position on the switch for a reason; they wanted the pressure
in the bags to be regulated by the height control valves while the GMC was
being driven.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808



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Subject: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal?

We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags sat
for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed
air added for that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And
never about the ones that don't. So was I just really
lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331651 is a reply to message #331638] Wed, 02 May 2018 12:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Wed, 02 May 2018 09:29
We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags sat for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed air added for that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And never about the ones that don't. So was I just really lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Once I changed all of the fittings from plastic to brass mine never leaks.


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Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331652 is a reply to message #331650] Wed, 02 May 2018 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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except pressure is inversely correlated to height, so controlling pressure does the exact wrong thing, lowering on increased weight, raising on reduced weight
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal?

Travel settings vary between the various incantations of air systems.
Probably 1/3 of all the coaches I see have the valves turned off at the
bags. They seem to please the owners. My particular Royale ride height is
controlled by pressure, not electronic gauges. It does quite well.
Jim Hupy

On May 2, 2018 8:26 AM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:

Bob,

With all due respect the guys that designed the GMC put the "TRAVEL"
position on the switch for a reason; they wanted the pressure
in the bags to be regulated by the height control valves while the GMC was
being driven.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808



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Subject: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal?

We bought our first 78 in 2003. That GMC burned in 2015. Those air bags sat
for the next 2 years. Fully inflated.They never needed
air added for that 2 years. I hear of all these original bags leaking. And
never about the ones that don't. So was I just really
lucky? Bob Dunahugh
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331686 is a reply to message #331638] Thu, 03 May 2018 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I started using Loctite 545 Thread hydraulic/pnematic sealant on all my air
fittings and have had great results.

I first tried it on the air compressor in my garage which was cycling
often. I redid all of my air-tool fittings that previously had Teflon tape
or pipe dope and now have no more leaks. The compressor did not turn on
once in 24 hours.

I was surprised how tight I had to torque down the Teflon tape connections
to prevent all leaks. The Loctite works easier and is all I've been using
on the GMC airbag system.

I ordered it online as I could not find it in my local stores.

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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331688 is a reply to message #331686] Thu, 03 May 2018 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That Loc tite 545 is the best, but expensive.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Eric Brodersen
wrote:

> I started using Loctite 545 Thread hydraulic/pnematic sealant on all my air
> fittings and have had great results.
>
> I first tried it on the air compressor in my garage which was cycling
> often. I redid all of my air-tool fittings that previously had Teflon tape
> or pipe dope and now have no more leaks. The compressor did not turn on
> once in 24 hours.
>
> I was surprised how tight I had to torque down the Teflon tape connections
> to prevent all leaks. The Loctite works easier and is all I've been using
> on the GMC airbag system.
>
> I ordered it online as I could not find it in my local stores.
>
> --
> Eric Brodersen
> 1976 Edgemonte
> Chicago, IL
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331690 is a reply to message #331688] Thu, 03 May 2018 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not if it stops those aggravating air leaks. Smile Worth every penny.

jimk wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 13:48
That Loc tite 545 is the best, but expensive.
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Re: [GMCnet] My air bags never leaked. Is that really abnormal? [message #331692 is a reply to message #331690] Thu, 03 May 2018 18:42 Go to previous message
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The air line connections on the coaches I ve worked on are compression
style so I’m not sure of the benefit of pipe tape or thread sealant. Now
the fittings between the hose connection and the bag I can see.

Sully
77 eleganza 2
Bellevue.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:14 PM Jerry Burt wrote:

> Not if it stops those aggravating air leaks. :) Worth every penny.
>
> jimk wrote on Thu, 03 May 2018 13:48
>> That Loc tite 545 is the best, but expensive.
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