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ljdavick
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My Dana compressor takes forever to pump up, and then it cycles about ever 4 minutes, or so. I likely have a leak somewhere in the air pressure valves, as the bags hold air for a good amount of time. The Dana is a noisy old thing and I'm thinking that it probably needs to be rebuilt or replaced.
If I were to replace it I'd likely go with the Viair pump from Jim K. If I were to rebuild it I'd just buy his rebuild kit. Any experience either way, and would the performance of the Viair be significantly better than a rebuilt Dana?
Thanks,
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331554 is a reply to message #331551] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 15:50  |
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You need to find and fix the air leaks before you ever consider another
compressor. Only then will you be able to see if you really need a new
compressor. I have coaches that would sit for weeks and months without an
air leak or the pressure going down in the bags.
J.R. Wright
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Larry Davick wrote:
> My Dana compressor takes forever to pump up, and then it cycles about ever
> 4 minutes, or so. I likely have a leak somewhere in the air pressure
> valves, as the bags hold air for a good amount of time. The Dana is a
> noisy old thing and I'm thinking that it probably needs to be rebuilt or
> replaced.
>
>
> If I were to replace it I'd likely go with the Viair pump from Jim K. If
> I were to rebuild it I'd just buy his rebuild kit. Any experience either
> way, and would the performance of the Viair be significantly better than a
> rebuilt Dana?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Larry Davick
> Fremont, California
> A Mystery Machine
> '76 (ish) Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331555 is a reply to message #331554] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 16:02 |
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ljdavick
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Yes, it's true, J.R., but that takes all the fun out of shopping for the coach!
Tom Hampton installed shut off valves and schraders at the air bags. I've never had to use the shut off valves, but it could get me down the road.
I suppose my question boils down to which way would you go, knowing that the compressor is original?
Larry Davick
ljdavick@comcast.net
> On April 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM John Wright wrote:
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> You need to find and fix the air leaks before you ever consider another
> compressor. Only then will you be able to see if you really need a new
> compressor. I have coaches that would sit for weeks and months without an
> air leak or the pressure going down in the bags.
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
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> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Larry Davick wrote:
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>>> My Dana compressor takes forever to pump up, and then it cycles about ever
>> 4 minutes, or so. I likely have a leak somewhere in the air pressure
>> valves, as the bags hold air for a good amount of time. The Dana is a
>> noisy old thing and I'm thinking that it probably needs to be rebuilt or
>> replaced.
>>
>>
>> If I were to replace it I'd likely go with the Viair pump from Jim K. If
>> I were to rebuild it I'd just buy his rebuild kit. Any experience either
>> way, and would the performance of the Viair be significantly better than a
>> rebuilt Dana?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Larry Davick
>> Fremont, California
>> A Mystery Machine
>> '76 (ish) Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331558 is a reply to message #331551] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 18:55 |
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USAussie
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G'day,
I'm very happy with my Viair 480C; it's the largest capacity pump they make with a 100% duty cycle.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry Davick
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:33 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Compressors?
My Dana compressor takes forever to pump up, and then it cycles about ever 4 minutes, or so. I likely have a leak somewhere in the
air pressure valves, as the bags hold air for a good amount of time. The Dana is a noisy old thing and I'm thinking that it
probably needs to be rebuilt or replaced.
If I were to replace it I'd likely go with the Viair pump from Jim K. If I were to rebuild it I'd just buy his rebuild kit. Any
experience either way, and would the performance of the Viair be significantly better than a rebuilt Dana?
Thanks,
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331560 is a reply to message #331551] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 19:08 |
Carl S.
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I faced the same dilemma a few years back and followed Jim Bounds' recommendation, which went something like this, "as important as that air compressor is, why take a chance on a questionable rebuild? Just get a new one". At the time he was selling the Viair 350-c which is a 100% duty cycle, but not a very high cfm unit. I have been happy with it, but I would probably get a larger one if I had it to do over again.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331561 is a reply to message #331560] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 19:16 |
Carl S.
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To add to my previous reply, unless you are going to air up tires or something that uses a LOT of air, you probably do not need a 100% duty cycle. The 33% duty cycle, as a rule, pump a lot more CFMs of air.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331563 is a reply to message #331558] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 19:33 |
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ljdavick
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Rob and Carl,
Thanks for the input. It makes good sense to buy a new one once I find the leak. I have images of lifting the coach like the low-riders do, bouncing 3 feet in the air!!
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
> On April 30, 2018 at 4:55 PM Rob Mueller wrote:
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> G'day,
>
> I'm very happy with my Viair 480C; it's the largest capacity pump they make with a 100% duty cycle.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet .org] On Behalf Of Larry Davick
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:33 PM
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> Subject: [GMCnet] Compressors?
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> My Dana compressor takes forever to pump up, and then it cycles about ever 4 minutes, or so. I likely have a leak somewhere in the
> air pressure valves, as the bags hold air for a good amount of time. The Dana is a noisy old thing and I'm thinking that it
> probably needs to be rebuilt or replaced.
>
>
> If I were to replace it I'd likely go with the Viair pump from Jim K. If I were to rebuild it I'd just buy his rebuild kit. Any
> experience either way, and would the performance of the Viair be significantly better than a rebuilt Dana?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Larry Davick
> Fremont, California
> A Mystery Machine
> '76 (ish) Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331564 is a reply to message #331561] |
Mon, 30 April 2018 19:53 |
Rob
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I run a Viair 400 - which is a high (2.54 @ 0 PSI) cfm 33% duty cycle model. It’s hooked up to a Wireless Air system (with a fixed duty cycle around 30%).
I love it - it’s VERY fast pumping up, much faster than it releases!
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
> On Apr 30, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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> To add to my previous reply, unless you are going to air up tires or something that uses a LOT of air, you probably do not need a 100% duty cycle.
> The 33% duty cycle, as a rule, pump a lot more CFMs of air.
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331597 is a reply to message #331564] |
Tue, 01 May 2018 12:25 |
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ljdavick
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Okay - just being silly now - how about tying it to an air horn!
Larry Davick
Fremont, California
A Mystery Machine
'76 (ish) Palm Beach
> On April 30, 2018 at 5:53 PM Rob wrote:
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> I run a Viair 400 - which is a high (2.54 @ 0 PSI) cfm 33% duty cycle model. It’s hooked up to a Wireless Air system (with a fixed duty cycle around 30%).
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> I love it - it’s VERY fast pumping up, much faster than it releases!
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> Rob
> Victoria, BC
> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
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>>> On Apr 30, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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>> To add to my previous reply, unless you are going to air up tires or something that uses a LOT of air, you probably do not need a 100% duty cycle.
>> The 33% duty cycle, as a rule, pump a lot more CFMs of air.
>> --
>> Carl Stouffer
>> '75 ex Palm Beach
>> Tucson, AZ.
>> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
>> Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331602 is a reply to message #331597] |
Tue, 01 May 2018 14:21 |
Ken Henderson
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Larry,
Silly it may be, but I always keep "Air" selected with my dash switch. I
don't remember where they came from, but the two long trumpets up front
perform very well with the tiny reservoir and Puma compressor on my EL I
system.
Ken H.
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Larry Davick wrote:
> Okay - just being silly now - how about tying it to an air horn!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331619 is a reply to message #331618] |
Tue, 01 May 2018 22:39 |
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Nathan K3LA airchime mounted under the left fender, was just enough room to fit that bad boy under there. I ran a graham white MMV to a pedestal I built right next to the captains chair. makes for a comfortable place to park your hand when not hanging out the cockpit window. the stock tank is good for a 3-5 second blast, or a few good stabs, so I would need to install a larger tank to really wale on on it. on a good day it can be heard from over a mile. here is the first test vid lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVcUrqGUQQU
Keith V wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 20:28I run 2 large Semi Horns below the bumper so they are aimed at dumasses window.
Works great 
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I run an Air Zenith OB2 compressor. for almost 8 years now. I even have a spare, as im considering running dual pumps. never looked back and it
provides enough air for my train horn
http://shop.air-zenith.com/200psiob2-black-1.aspx
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| Re: [GMCnet] Compressors? [message #331623 is a reply to message #331619] |
Tue, 01 May 2018 22:43 |
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ljdavick
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Oh dear god!!
> On May 1, 2018, at 8:39 PM, Shan Rose wrote:
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> Nathan K3LA airchime mounted under the left fender, was just enough room to fit that bad boy under there. I ran a graham white MMV to a pedestal I
> built right next to the captains chair. makes for a comfortable place to park your hand when not hanging out the cockpit window. the stock tank is
> good for a 3-5 second blast, or a few good stabs, so I would need to install a larger tank to really wale on on it. on a good day it can be heard from
> over a mile. here is the first test vid lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVcUrqGUQQU
>
> Keith V wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 20:28
>> I run 2 large Semi Horns below the bumper so they are aimed at dumasses window.
>> Works great :)
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gmclist on behalf of Shan Rose
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 9:49 PM
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Compressors?
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>> I run an Air Zenith OB2 compressor. for almost 8 years now. I even have a spare, as im considering running dual pumps. never looked back and it
>> provides enough air for my train horn :)
>>
>> http://shop.air-zenith.com/200psiob2-black-1.aspx
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>> 73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
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