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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320674 is a reply to message #320673] |
Wed, 19 July 2017 11:16   |
James Hupy
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Those starter solenoids are a classic case of offshore parts. There used to
be 2 copper studs that stuck through the solenoid housing that the battery
cable and the conductor that entered the starter housing fastened to. They
were very robust and when they arced away sufficiently, could be turned
180° to expose a fresh surface. No longer. Same said for the contactor disc
on the end of the solenoid plunger. Used to be thick, solid, copper. Now,
an aluminum disc about 1/2 the thickness, with a thin piece of copper foil
laminated to it. Cheap, cheesy, crapola. Sure as heck nothing like the
Delco stuff of the past.
This is only one example. There are many more, particularly with automotive
electrical parts. fan clutches, water pumps, alternators, dimmer switches,
and on and on. Hard to install these parts, and send them out the door and
down the road, knowing what we know about the quality of this stuff. I feel
bad for Bob and Linda. An on the road failure of this crap has more
implications for them than just mild inconvenience. Being stranded with a
handicapped passenger is a very bad thing. Wish I had answers for it.
Almost getting to the point of going back to rebuilding stuff ourselves.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jul 19, 2017 8:49 AM, "Bob Dunahugh" wrote:
> Got caught out of town with a Chinese starter solenoid problem. As I had
> put it on me original starter. Lasted 3 weeks. Got ticked with figuring out
> what now went wrong next. Replaced the entire starter/solenoid. That unit
> lasted 6 weeks before taking out my start switch, fusible link, and neutral
> start switch. Replaced starter again. Next came another neutral switch.
> How I just want to get home to find USA made parts. Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320677 is a reply to message #320674] |
Wed, 19 July 2017 11:41 |
Ken Henderson
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Hear, hear!
I depend heavily on my local repair shop, now on its second owner during,
to my knowledge, 90 years in business.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:16 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> ...
> Cheap, cheesy, crapola. Sure as heck nothing like the
> Delco stuff of the past.
> This is only one example. There are many more, particularly with automotive
> electrical parts. fan clutches, water pumps, alternators, dimmer switches,
> and on and on.
>
...
> Almost getting to the point of going back to rebuilding stuff ourselves.
>
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Large Wiring Diagrams
76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320678 is a reply to message #320677] |
Wed, 19 July 2017 14:11 |
Carl S.
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Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 19 July 2017 09:41Hear, hear!
I depend heavily on my local repair shop, now on its second owner during,
to my knowledge, 90 years in business.
Ken H.
Speaking of which, how did your recent Onan starter rebuild go?
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320715 is a reply to message #320677] |
Thu, 20 July 2017 10:35 |
midlf
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We each have to search for these quality rebuilders in our local area. Then patronize them. I am fortunate to have one I use. It's 25 miles away and for less miles I could hit abut 25 parts stores where i can get "guaranteed forever" crap. They have been around for a very long time. Moved out of their original innner city location to a new facility located close to a large number of commercial and industrial vehicle users and shops. Family owned and the knows what they are doing. Is it inconvenient to drive past auto parts stores to go there? Yes. However not as inconvenient as having to R&R crap.
So how to find these rebuilders? Stop in and ask local independent repair shops if they know of such a local rebuilder. They are not inclined to put in guaranteed crap as the part may be guaranteed but they have to eat their own labor costs on a guaranteed repair. You are not taking any business away from them as they probably don't want to work on your GMC anyway.
Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 19 July 2017 11:41Hear, hear!
I depend heavily on my local repair shop, now on its second owner during,
to my knowledge, 90 years in business.
Ken H.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320741 is a reply to message #320734] |
Thu, 20 July 2017 20:32 |
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Cary,
You are 100% correct!
When I was a Field Rep for Hamilton Standard I visited the Xian Aircraft Factory in Xian, they built the vertical stabilizer for
Boeing 737's and I don't think Boeing accept "cheap Chinese parts!"
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Pete Smith
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:49 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime.
Those parts are being supplied by American companies who constantly reduce prices they are willing to pay manufacturers. The
Chinese can build whatever quality you like, but if the buyers from American companies won't pay for it how is it their fault?
Sadly it's a case of we generally get what we pay for.....
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Cary, NC
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320762 is a reply to message #320757] |
Fri, 21 July 2017 09:31 |
James Hupy
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This problem is not entirely a Chinese problem. Similar stuff happens
worldwide, including here in the U.S.A. When price alone determines the
specifications of product design, quality and longevity suffer greatly. It
could be automobiles, consumer electronics, you name it. I personally hate
it. It becomes a trade off. We have a microcosm of the whole issue in our
GMC community. Even on a personal level. The wireless air system that I
build contains parts from domestic sources as well as offshore. I source
them not by price, but by compatibility and suitability. How it winds up
is, prospective buyers, when told the cost, frequently hit the "sour
grapes" button. The cost for custom built, small batch items, will always
be high. It is the nature of things. I sure don't have the answers, neither
does Manny, or Jim K. or Jim Bounds, or a dozen other people involved in
aftermarketing parts for 40 year old relics.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jul 21, 2017 6:55 AM, "John R. Lebetski" wrote:
> The other issue is quality drift between the final prototype and the 1000
> actual pieces you get stuck with. The other reason the stuff gets made there
> is companies here thumb their noses at projects that China will actually
> take and produce. You try to get it done here and sometimes you succeed but
> often give up on the process out of necessity.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320788 is a reply to message #320762] |
Fri, 21 July 2017 13:01 |
Emery Stora
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One good thing that China makes is Tsingtao beer. (ting dow)
Emery Stora
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:31 AM, James Hupy wrote:
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> This problem is not entirely a Chinese problem. Similar stuff happens
> worldwide, including here in the U.S.A. When price alone determines the
> specifications of product design, quality and longevity suffer greatly. It
> could be automobiles, consumer electronics, you name it. I personally hate
> it. It becomes a trade off. We have a microcosm of the whole issue in our
> GMC community. Even on a personal level. The wireless air system that I
> build contains parts from domestic sources as well as offshore. I source
> them not by price, but by compatibility and suitability. How it winds up
> is, prospective buyers, when told the cost, frequently hit the "sour
> grapes" button. The cost for custom built, small batch items, will always
> be high. It is the nature of things. I sure don't have the answers, neither
> does Manny, or Jim K. or Jim Bounds, or a dozen other people involved in
> aftermarketing parts for 40 year old relics.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>
> On Jul 21, 2017 6:55 AM, "John R. Lebetski" wrote:
>
>> The other issue is quality drift between the final prototype and the 1000
>> actual pieces you get stuck with. The other reason the stuff gets made there
>> is companies here thumb their noses at projects that China will actually
>> take and produce. You try to get it done here and sometimes you succeed but
>> often give up on the process out of necessity.
>> --
>> John Lebetski
>> Woodstock, IL
>> 77 Eleganza II
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Chinese parts are great for keeping your trouble shouting skills sharp for a lifetime. [message #320807 is a reply to message #320788] |
Fri, 21 July 2017 18:30 |
jimk
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Emery,
those people probably put in used radiator fluid.
I will refuse that Beer if you offered it to me.
Dog food was tainted and killed many animals.
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
> One good thing that China makes is Tsingtao beer. (ting dow)
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:31 AM, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> This problem is not entirely a Chinese problem. Similar stuff happens
>> worldwide, including here in the U.S.A. When price alone determines the
>> specifications of product design, quality and longevity suffer greatly.
> It
>> could be automobiles, consumer electronics, you name it. I personally
> hate
>> it. It becomes a trade off. We have a microcosm of the whole issue in our
>> GMC community. Even on a personal level. The wireless air system that I
>> build contains parts from domestic sources as well as offshore. I source
>> them not by price, but by compatibility and suitability. How it winds up
>> is, prospective buyers, when told the cost, frequently hit the "sour
>> grapes" button. The cost for custom built, small batch items, will
> always
>> be high. It is the nature of things. I sure don't have the answers,
> neither
>> does Manny, or Jim K. or Jim Bounds, or a dozen other people involved in
>> aftermarketing parts for 40 year old relics.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Or
>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2017 6:55 AM, "John R. Lebetski"
> wrote:
>>
>>> The other issue is quality drift between the final prototype and the
> 1000
>>> actual pieces you get stuck with. The other reason the stuff gets made
> there
>>> is companies here thumb their noses at projects that China will actually
>>> take and produce. You try to get it done here and sometimes you succeed
> but
>>> often give up on the process out of necessity.
>>> --
>>> John Lebetski
>>> Woodstock, IL
>>> 77 Eleganza II
>>>
>>>
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