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[GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320384] |
Thu, 13 July 2017 18:42  |
Ken Henderson
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Well, here we go again. We planned a visit to the Florida Panhandle
Wednesday, 12 Jul, to Sunday. Everything went well from Americus except
that I had a little whine from the final drive on coast -- nothing when
under any load. SHE said it was a new sound, but with my hearing, I really
couldn't say it was new, so we kept a-goin'.
About 15 miles from our destination in Destin, FL, just coming out of a
sweeping left turn and starting up a "hill" (remember, this is N. FL), I
mashed the go pedal and nothing happened. Looking down, I saw that the
tach followed my foot, but not the speedometer, which showed 0 despite our
going 30+ mph. Didn't take me very long to start looking for an emergency
landing field. Since there were no shoulders, that was out, and the hill
wasn't going to let me up it, I panicked. Then I noticed a small side
street to the left which would almost be makeable if the oncoming
tractor-trailer hurried past. He did and I was able to make an almost-U
turn into the street. Then I saw that immediately to the left, at the
intersection, there was a 75' x 75' clear, dirt & gravel lot. My U turn
continued to about 270* and we came to a stop with the coach off of the
road. But the toad was still across one lane of the side street. I had
HER crank the CRV and push the GMC until SHE was well clear of the
pavement. WOW!
Then the fun began. When I popped the engine hatch, I could see almost
immediately that the inner left CV joint was catty-whampus -- the axle was
no longer concentric with the CV housing, but sagging down on the rubber
boot. Not good. Then the generator quit, having drawn the rear tank below
1/4 full, leaving us with no A/C. I tried the dash air (remember the
engine still runs great, it just can't rotate the wheels) and found it not
up to the job of cooling the coach in the 90*F ambient.
Fortunately, we were only 11 miles from John Richardson's home in
Niceville, FL, and he has a service rack, similar to mine, on the bank of
Choctawhatchee Bay. A call to him got me an invitation to have the coach
towed there, despite his having had cataract surgery a few hours before.
That's when total frustration began. A call to RVRoadHelp (Allstate), got
immediate support. I told the agent right off that I needed "a wheel lift
truck capable of lifting 4500 lbs and pulling 11,000 lbs". I also gave him
the destination, explaining that it was only 11 miles away and that the
closest alternative he'd find would be in Orlando. There was no discussion
of "the nearest repair facility". This was at about 12:00 PM CDT. At
about 3 PM the tow truck showed up, as promised. I knew right off we were
about to have fun: The truck was at least twice as long as my 23' GMC,
half again as tall, and probably weighed 4 times as much! "They told us we
needed to send a heavy lift truck" said the driver, who immediatly said
there's no way I can hook to that little thing. "No, we don't have
anything that will tow it, Bye." Not that curt -- he and his helper stayed
around and chewed the fat for a while and suggested another company to call.
After they left, I called the other company, who gave me Rusty, the wheel
lift truck driver's phone number. He reported that he was 30 miles east on
another call and had to go north 60+ miles for another. He certainly would
not make it back in time to help today. "Why don't you call this other
company?"
So I called the other company, who reported that they could send a suitable
truck, but were not on contract with Allstate. Nonetheless, I called
Allstate and after a long delay, they told me that the company would send
their truck. Great! Yeah, right. That truck turned out to be about 3/4
the size of the previous giant -- and had no wheel lift capability. Those
drivers suggested still another company.
Allstate, back on the 'phone (remember there is no way to reach an Allstate
representative without going through the whole introductory rigamarole and
then it's never the same rep. This time I got an excellent, patient rep.
We spent over 1:30 on the phone. At one point, he gave up: "I can't find
anyone so I can't help you". Me: "No, that won't work. I have a contract
with your company to get me off the side of the road; you'll have to find
someone." Then I told them about Another Company, and he agreed to call
them.
To be sure the company knew what I had to have I called them myself, (on
HER phone), getting one dispatcher while another was on the 'phone with
Allstate. I explained very carefully what would be required to tow the
GMC. She pretended to understand. But when the truck showed up, it was
about 2/3 the size of the first giant.
That driver was very congenial, and really wanted to tow it, to add to his
reported trophies of a '37 Rolls Royce and a '17 T-model. He was very
upset with the whole system: He'd tried to call me before driving 30 miles
from Crestview. For whatever reason, I didn't get that call. While no one
had told him to bring a wheel lift truck, he could have done so if I'd
answered. But, his duty hour limitation, and his Thursday schedule meant
that he, the company's only driver, couldn't help us.
Finally, I called Rusty back. He stated that he only had one job scheduled
for Thursday morning and could then help us. I called his office and
confirmed that, and the fact that they did not have a contract with
Allstate. As I was about to call Allstate AGAIN, they called me, to report
that Another Company had reported that their wasted trip. So I told him
about Rusty's company. He immediately called them and called me back a few
minutes later to report that they'd see us at 10-10:30 on Thursday.
All this time, we'd been sitting in the CRV with its excellent A/C keeping
us cool. Unwilling to leave the GMC unattended overnight, I went to the
nearest WalMart, bought two 5 gallon gas cans, and filled them. After
pouring that 10 gallons into the coach, we had a quite comfortable night,
despite the roar of the Troy-BIlt one-lunger generator. I turned it off at
about 1:00 AM and back on at 6:00 AM.
So, here it is at 9:30 CDT and we're anxiously awaiting our fourth tow
truck. I won't be able to send this email until we are rescued, somehow,
so you'll learn in the next paragraph what the next event is.
10:30 AM: Rusty arrived with his bigger-than-the-GMC tow truck. After a
quick look, he extended his loter boom under the front and fitted it with
the arms fore and aft of the front wheels. Super. Then he lifted the GMC
12" off the ground. When we looked underneath, the arms were drooping off
of the boom at a 10+* angle. Right, with my wide-as-the-rear tread 1-Ton
front end, his arms did not engage the boom enough. :-((
After telling us he wouldn't be able to tow us, and listening to HER
moaning, groaning, near-sobbing tale of our past 24 hours, he volunteered
that a shop in Pensacola had a suitable truck. He then volunteered to call
them. After 20-30 minutes, he got out of his truck to report that he'd
tried everywhere between Panama City and Pensacola without finding us any
help. :-(( :-(( :-((
He obviously felt really bad about the situation, telling us that Jer Dan
(the manufacturer of his truck) has the motto "Leave no one behind". (I
think he copied that from the military who dominate this area.) Anyway, he
looked under the GMC again and went to rummaging in his equipment
compartments. Shortly, he came up with a couple of big iron things to
slide on the boom and two V-throated fittings to go into the iron things.
Beneath the GMC, he positioned the V-fittings across the A-arms immediately
outboard of the front bushings. Using his wireless remote control, he
positioned the fittings and raised the boom until the GMC could be lifted
safely!!!
I suspect the powder coat on my A-arms is now damaged, but SHE's happy that
we were at Richardsons' in 30 minutes or so, only 24 hours after I said
"Uh-Oh!".
There we used the CRV to pull & push the GMC around until we got it sort of
onto his service pit. There it sits. SHE and I left a 12:47 CDT heading
back to Americus, arriving at 17:10 EDT. 5:31 wasn't too bad for 230 miles
with a lunch stop.
I've since gotten the necessary tools and supplies loaded into the CRV,
along with, most importantly, a brand new Manny 1-Ton front axle. Which
may be one of two on the East Coast! They showed up unannounced at my door
a couple of years ago and have set at the end of my island workbench ever
since then. Manny's only comment was "just in case someone needs one".
:-))
EARLY tomorrow, I'll drive back to Richardsons' and spend the couple of
hours necessary to R&R the axle, hopefully before the temperature reaches
the 91*F and the humidity 70+% like today! Then we can resume our "quick
trip down to the Panhandle".
Ain't GMC's FUN??!!
Ken H.
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320387 is a reply to message #320384] |
Thu, 13 July 2017 19:35   |
jhbridges
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As I have said Ken... it ain't a toad, it's a lifeboat.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320392 is a reply to message #320384] |
Thu, 13 July 2017 20:16   |
bobby5832708
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"Ain't GMC's FUN??!!"
Ken,
Sorry to hear of your recent adventures. We have relatives in Destin and we've been there many times over the years in the GMC.
Obviously I'm doing something wrong with my GMC. My original Olds 455 still runs fine, starts up quickly, never misses a beat, and for over 10 years that I've owned the coach has not let me down (no fuel injection or HEI or fancy radiator or oil cooler, it's a long story...). The original-style front end still has original-style driveshafts with the original CV joints (I put on new CV boots, still original hard parts). They have never failed. The original-style wheel bearings work fine, never been stranded because of them. I could go on and on.
So now I'm wondering how long until the transmission needs a rebuild. I don't want to wait until it starts acting up. It was last done in 1996 and 75000 miles ago. Maybe this winter. Maybe not.
In my experience, the original components were pretty reliable as long as they are reasonably maintained. So, yes, GMC's CAN be fun!!
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320396 is a reply to message #320392] |
Thu, 13 July 2017 21:30   |
SpookyEng
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Ken, Sorry to hear about your issues. I am about 25 mi west of Destin and happy to help if needed, and I finally got Billy my info for the Blacklist (don't know what happened to my last submission). Great news that you have the part on hand!
JD Lisenby- USAF Ret
1978 Royale-455
MacDash, Manny Tranny, FI-tech, 3.70 etc etc
Navarre, FL
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320399 is a reply to message #320396] |
Thu, 13 July 2017 21:46   |
Ken Henderson
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JD,
Thanks for your offer of help. I've got a whole host of fellow X-USAF
friends and GMCers in the Panhandle all offering to help. Much as I
appreciate it all, there's really not much room for more than one to work
on it at a time, so I'll try to do it alone tomorrow.
Have you joined GMCMI & Dixielanders? Will you be at the GMCDL rally at
Noccalula Falls on the 27 Jul?
Ken
H.
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Jdlisenby@hotmail.com <
jdlisenby@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ken, Sorry to hear about your issues. I am about 25 mi west of Destin and
> happy to help if needed, and I finally got Billy my info for the Blacklist
> (don't know what happened to my last submission). Great news that you have
> the part on hand!
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320401 is a reply to message #320384] |
Fri, 14 July 2017 04:56   |
SpookyEng
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I have joined the Dixielanders. Unfortunately my coach is still at the COOP. She is coming together and should be back on the road by The end of August.
JD Lisenby- USAF Ret
1978 Royale-455
MacDash, Manny Tranny, FI-tech, 3.70 etc etc
Navarre, FL
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320413 is a reply to message #320408] |
Fri, 14 July 2017 11:22   |
jimk
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Bob, I agree wih you, do not fix it till it needs, however you can do some
oil sampling and compare it as you go and get some idea as to where it is
going.
Most fleets do this as a method of keeping track on condition of there
equipment.
On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Larry wrote:
> If you can find one, this is the best way to transport our GMC's. JWIT
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/our-coach/p56437-towing-our-coach.html
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> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320426 is a reply to message #320384] |
Fri, 14 July 2017 14:27   |
Scott Nutter
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Ken.
Sorry to hear about your frustrations on the road.
I hear great things about the 1 ton front end. But, if you had the only 2 extra front axels on the east coast, does that mean that the parts for the one ton are that hard to get or find? And if so, it should get harder to find them in the future.
I was under the impression that the one ton was/is on millions of trucks? Must be a specific front axel for the GMC?
But glad to see you guys are safe and sound!
Scott.
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320506 is a reply to message #320465] |
Sat, 15 July 2017 19:21   |
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And the music goes on oh-oh-Oh-oh...
Back home in GA with computer access, so I can report more fully on the
status of the GMC.
The installation of the new driver's side axle went as smoothly as could be
expected on John RIchardson's pit -- no unexpected complications. In case
anyone's wondering, that axle on a Manny 1-Ton can be R&R'd by removing
only the 6 flange bolts and the outer axle nut, plus the lower retaining
nut on the shock absorber. Turn the wheels full right to allow the outer
CV joint to turn enough for the splines to slide out of the hub. It will
be necessary to jack under the outer end of the A-arm to create clearance
between the CV housing and the top of the lower A-arm. The shock must be
free of its lower mounting stud, but there's no need to touch the top
bolt. Raising and lowering the A-arm to find the right spot to R&R the
shock eye is necessary.
When I cranked the engine with the new axle in place, we immediately heard
the same rattling sound that had been evident before the replacement, and
nothing happened when I moved the shift lever. :-((
When I used a stick to push aside some of the grease in the removed outer
CV joint housing, I could see the splined end of the axle broken off VERY
cleanly in the outer CV spider. When I've had a chance to clean it all up,
I'll post photos. It's now quite obvious that the Final Drive was
deteriorating for some time. I talked to Manny yesterday and he reminded
me that when we returned here from Bean Station last May, we stopped while
he was driving and checked all around the coach and toad trying to locate
the source of a whine. That was undoubtedly the beginning of the same
whine SHE (and, eventually, I) heard on the way to the FL Panhandle on
Wednesday. That probably should have been adequate warning to me to find
the source sooner. It's probable that the FD spider cracked, allowing
misalignment and consequent adverse stresses on the CV joint and axle. The
axle may have even cracked a while before it separated completely and began
to spin, polishing the end of the axle. That's all speculation until I get
the FD out and pull the cover, of course.
Since there wasn't anything more we could productively do in FL, we visited
with the Richardsons, spent the night in the coach, using their power, then
visited other friends today with lunch at NOISY Cracker Barrell. Got home
about 1700 and unloaded all the STUFF SHE wouldn't leave in the coach.
JimK's going to ship me a 3.55 FD ASAP. I'll then take it and appropriate
tools back to Choctaw Beach (Niceville) and replace the failed one.
I'm seeking advice on how to R&R the FD. I've done it quite a few times,
but usually with a fitting I put on the arm of my engine hoist. I never
was very good at lifting the 85# FD's over my head by hand; now, at 80 yo,
I very seriously doubt that I could do it at all. So I've got to devise
some machine help.
John has no engine hoist in his pit, nor any reasonable way to get one into
it (it opens almost directly onto the shore of Choctawhatchee Bay). What
he does have is a good sized, sturdy, roll-around workbench, whose top is
39" below the bottom of the FD. What I'm thinking of doing is making an
angle bracket to bolt to the FD output flange, with the other leg extending
beneath the FD. At the CG of the FD, on the bottom of that flange, weld a
pin which will fit into the saddle socket of a floor jack. With wooden
shoring on the top of John's workbench, we should be able to jack the FD up
into place. Since the workbench rolls around pretty easily, two of us
should be able to get the FD up into place on the jack before rolling into
the open-ended pit and beneath the target for the FD.
If anyone has a better idea, I'm all ears!
Ken H.
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Ken Henderson
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> Apparently. Won't know until the new FD is installed.
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> Ken H.
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> On Jul 14, 2017 11:05 PM, "Hal Kading" wrote:
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> Ken,
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> Transmission is okay?
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> Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320522 is a reply to message #320384] |
Sat, 15 July 2017 23:57   |
Scott Nutter
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Ken,
If it wasn't for My moms birthday yesterday(wx diversions in kord, timed out in Kewr on a taxi way, almost gotten beaten up by a old lady with talk of a nasty left hook, missing Syd's birthday today, new iPad made her forgive me) I would be out there in a instant to provide the manual labor to pull out the final drive for you. But when I finally get back to Houston tomorrow, I have to catch the first avalaiable back to San Diego. I was a pretty bad kid, so my mom owns me for the next 6 days..........
There has to be some young kids out there that could help you guys with the lifting? All the extra engineering to lift the final drive seems excessive.
Unless lm missing something. And with my frazzled brain right now, I might be....
I could be out there in a week to help if you can't get it fixed before that..
Scott.
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320523 is a reply to message #320522] |
Sun, 16 July 2017 02:33   |
Ken Henderson
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Hey, Scott, I appreciate the thought. Even with a really strong back,
manual lifting isn't a real good way to put the FD up there, A steady
mechanical hand is less risky. But even with that help, there's still
enough strength needed that, if it works out to be a weekend job, I may try
to get my 19 yo grandson to go down with me. His summer job at Chik-fil-a
headquarters won't let him go during the week, but it would be a good
experience for him.
Thanks anyway!
Ken H.
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Scott Nutter
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> Ken,
> If it wasn't for My moms birthday yesterday(wx diversions in kord, timed
> out in Kewr on a taxi way, almost gotten beaten up by a old lady with talk
> of
> a nasty left hook, missing Syd's birthday today, new iPad made her forgive
> me) I would be out there in a instant to provide the manual labor to pull
> out the final drive for you. But when I finally get back to Houston
> tomorrow, I have to catch the first avalaiable back to San Diego. I was a
> pretty
> bad kid, so my mom owns me for the next 6 days..........
>
> There has to be some young kids out there that could help you guys with
> the lifting? All the extra engineering to lift the final drive seems
> excessive.
> Unless lm missing something. And with my frazzled brain right now, I might
> be....
>
> I could be out there in a week to help if you can't get it fixed before
> that..
> Scott.
> --
> Scott Nutter
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final
> drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater.
> Houston, Texas
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Re: [GMCnet] Quick Trip to the Florida Panhandle [message #320526 is a reply to message #320523] |
Sun, 16 July 2017 07:52   |
Richard Denney
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A cradle and a floor jack?
Rick "new FD on a truck headed this way" Denney
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 3:35 AM Ken Henderson
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> Hey, Scott, I appreciate the thought. Even with a really strong back,
> manual lifting isn't a real good way to put the FD up there, A steady
> mechanical hand is less risky. But even with that help, there's still
> enough strength needed that, if it works out to be a weekend job, I may try
> to get my 19 yo grandson to go down with me. His summer job at Chik-fil-a
> headquarters won't let him go during the week, but it would be a good
> experience for him.
>
> Thanks anyway!
>
> Ken H.
>
> --
Rick Denney
73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
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