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Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317271] Tue, 09 May 2017 16:42 Go to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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Looking to get a GMC OEM dash radio for a song, but you would probably rather just give it to me without the song. Only practical application for said song would be if the Gov't was looking for an alternative to waterboarding.

Can pay full shipping cost as long as the number to the left of the decimal is pretty small.

If you have one that you have been moving from shelf to shelf every time you tidy up, now is the time to let it go.
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317288 is a reply to message #317271] Tue, 09 May 2017 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sir, rumor has it GMC changed speaker grounding around 75 or 76. So radios might be different?? Is the radio you want for one of your 73s. How can I telll if what I got is what you want? Some radios had a amp box (?? ) beside the glove box under the dash?




A Hamilto wrote on Tue, 09 May 2017 17:42
Looking to get a GMC OEM dash radio for a song, but you would probably rather just give it to me without the song. Only practical application for said song would be if the Gov't was looking for an alternative to waterboarding.

Can pay full shipping cost as long as the number to the left of the decimal is pretty small.

If you have one that you have been moving from shelf to shelf every time you tidy up, now is the time to let it go.



C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317293 is a reply to message #317288] Tue, 09 May 2017 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C Boyd wrote on Tue, 09 May 2017 19:58
Sir, rumor has it GMC changed speaker grounding around 75 or 76. So radios might be different?? Is the radio you want for one of your 73s. How can I telll if what I got is what you want? Some radios had a amp box (?? ) beside the glove box under the dash?
Mr. Boyd, Sir,

The short version is "I don't know". To expand on that, all the posts I remember seeing here about speakers are about aftermarket stuff that needs two wires to the speakers instead of one wire (and the other speaker connector to body ground). And those two wire systems can't be bluffed with passive gizmos.

I thought the single speaker wire system applied to all year models. So I never expected the monkey wrench you just posted.
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317296 is a reply to message #317288] Tue, 09 May 2017 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C Boyd wrote on Tue, 09 May 2017 19:58
Sir, rumor has it GMC changed speaker grounding around 75 or 76. So radios might be different?? Is the radio you want for one of your 73s. How can I telll if what I got is what you want? Some radios had a amp box (?? ) beside the glove box under the dash?
I have Operating Manuals for all 6 model years, and the pictures of the radios are identical from 1973 to 1978.

The manuals say in 1973 there was a push-button AM only radio, an AM-FM radio and an AM-FM-8-track. In 1978 there was only AM-FM and AM-FM-8-track. The AM-FM and AM-FM-8-track all look alike.

What do you have? AM only, AM-FM, or AM-FM-8-track?
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317299 is a reply to message #317271] Tue, 09 May 2017 23:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My 1976 has 2 wire speakers. I know a 74 had 1 wire speakers and used ground for the return.

The two types do not play well in the wrong coach.


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317302 is a reply to message #317299] Tue, 09 May 2017 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Tue, 09 May 2017 23:23
My 1976 has 2 wire speakers. I know a 74 had 1 wire speakers and used ground for the return.
The two types do not play well in the wrong coach.
If that is the case, a newer radio would require some rewiring to function. I suppose the ground wires can be chased down and spliced/extended back to the "new" radio. All the posts I see here are from people that run two new wires to each speaker. Not sure which is "easier".
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317326 is a reply to message #317271] Wed, 10 May 2017 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GM radios used a ten Ohm speaker with one side grounded. This had two positives - it cut the cost of wire, and allowed the radio output stage to be a bit less expensive to build. Ten Ohm speakers aren't common, but in the quantities a manufacturer buys them, they can have the shape and impedance they want for no extra charge.

GM also offered an AM FM CB which appeared in some coaches. All of the OEM radios were the same panel size, you can swap one for another as long as you respect the speaker impedance and hookup. Grounding one side of the output of a modern radio will do Bad Things for it, run two wires.

--johnny


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Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317334 is a reply to message #317326] Wed, 10 May 2017 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 10:38
GM radios used a ten Ohm speaker with one side grounded. This had two positives - it cut the cost of wire, and allowed the radio output stage to be a bit less expensive to build. Ten Ohm speakers aren't common, but in the quantities a manufacturer buys them, they can have the shape and impedance they want for no extra charge.

GM also offered an AM FM CB which appeared in some coaches. All of the OEM radios were the same panel size, you can swap one for another as long as you respect the speaker impedance and hookup. Grounding one side of the output of a modern radio will do Bad Things for it, run two wires.

--johnny
To throw some ignorance at that, I think most newer radios are looking for 8 ohm speakers. What speaker impedance were the OEM 2-wire radios expecting to see?

As far as wiring, I don't think there is anything to ground to in the front and rear caps where the speakers are located, so there ARE wires from the speakers to a ground someplace lower. That point should be accessible (somehow) to splice and run a wire back to the radio for the affected speaker. That might make wiring simpler, or not.
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317356 is a reply to message #317271] Wed, 10 May 2017 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Modern amplifiers seem to be looking for 4 Ohm speakers, some will work into two Ohms. The Delco stuff of the day used the loudspeaker as the amplifier load pretty much directly, rather than to a degree being isolated as today's are. Is about the simplest way I can put it. Remember, the radios of the day were reproducing AM, and eight track tapes mostly, neither known for very good fidelity. FM was sort of an add - on. Consequently, the fidelity wasn't great, nor need it be.

--johnny


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Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317360 is a reply to message #317288] Wed, 10 May 2017 18:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C Boyd wrote on Tue, 09 May 2017 19:58
Sir, rumor has it GMC changed speaker grounding around 75 or 76. So radios might be different?? Is the radio you want for one of your 73s. How can I telll if what I got is what you want? Some radios had a amp box (?? ) beside the glove box under the dash?

Mr. Boyd, Sir,

I have decided the year model is not a problem, speaker wires can be ran to satisfy the radio.

So whatever you got is probably what I want.

Let me know what you are willing to part with.
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317361 is a reply to message #317360] Wed, 10 May 2017 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark, I escaped off house arrest today and should be back in the barn tomorrow. I don't know what if anything I got works but you are welcome to it.. pm me a shipping address.




A Hamilto wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 19:03
C Boyd wrote on Tue, 09 May 2017 19:58
Sir, rumor has it GMC changed speaker grounding around 75 or 76. So radios might be different?? Is the radio you want for one of your 73s. How can I telll if what I got is what you want? Some radios had a amp box (?? ) beside the glove box under the dash?

Mr. Boyd, Sir,

I have decided the year model is not a problem, speaker wires can be ran to satisfy the radio.

So whatever you got is probably what I want.

Let me know what you are willing to part with.



C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317362 is a reply to message #317361] Wed, 10 May 2017 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C Boyd wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 20:04
Mark, I escaped off house arrest today and should be back in the barn tomorrow. I don't know what if anything I got works but you are welcome to it.. pm me a shipping address.

Are we likely to be able to use Jon's delivery service again? Or would that be excessive exploitation of his kindness?
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317363 is a reply to message #317362] Wed, 10 May 2017 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I haven't talked to him lately but do need to call him. We'll see? We do get a good deal on shipping especially if it goes to a commercial address.




A Hamilto wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 21:16
C Boyd wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 20:04
Mark, I escaped off house arrest today and should be back in the barn tomorrow. I don't know what if anything I got works but you are welcome to it.. pm me a shipping address.

Are we likely to be able to use Jon's delivery service again? Or would that be excessive exploitation of his kindness?



C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317364 is a reply to message #317362] Wed, 10 May 2017 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have an original dash radio with 8 track player and remote amplifier laying around. Was operable when I removed it 10 years ago. I will gladly give it to you if you'll pay the USPS shipping. It's about a cubic foot and weighs around 20 pounds!!!!

Woody.


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Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317372 is a reply to message #317364] Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pyolet wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 20:27
I have an original dash radio with 8 track player and remote amplifier laying around. Was operable when I removed it 10 years ago. I will gladly give it to you if you'll pay the USPS shipping. It's about a cubic foot and weighs around 20 pounds!!!!

Woody.

Was it from an early model that only had one wire to each speaker, or two wires to each speaker?
Re: Looking To Get A Good Deal On An OEM Dash Radio [message #317374 is a reply to message #317372] Wed, 10 May 2017 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My early 76 was 1 wire and common ground apparently late 76 started the 2 wire radios. I had to rewire all the speakers to 2 wire when I installed the late model radio.

Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook

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pyolet wrote on Wed, 10 May 2017 20:27
I have an original dash radio with 8 track player and remote amplifier laying around. Was operable when I removed it 10 years ago. I will gladly give it to you if you'll pay the USPS shipping. It's about a cubic foot and weighs around 20 pounds!!!!

Woody.

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