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Onan remote start [message #314275] Wed, 08 March 2017 10:25 Go to next message
Luvn737s is currently offline  Luvn737s   United States
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I am looking to replace the remote inside genset start switch. I replaced my 4.5 Kw Kohler with a 6.0Kw Onan. The Onan came with a remote start switch and hourmeter, etc. I would prefer not re-wiring the line from the inside of the coach to the genset and just re-use the existing wire. Is this feasible? The switch has start, run and stop functions as well as hourmeter power, but I am unsure of how they correspond to the wiring at the genset end. Any ideas?


Randy
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Re: [GMCnet] Onan remote start [message #314276 is a reply to message #314275] Wed, 08 March 2017 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Randy,
I'm sure we have some used ones here in our inventory.
Call me.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Randy wrote:

> I am looking to replace the remote inside genset start switch. I replaced
> my 4.5 Kw Kohler with a 6.0Kw Onan. The Onan came with a remote start switch
> and hourmeter, etc. I would prefer not re-wiring the line from the inside
> of the coach to the genset and just re-use the existing wire. Is this
> feasible? The switch has start, run and stop functions as well as
> hourmeter power, but I am unsure of how they correspond to the wiring at
> the genset
> end. Any ideas?
>
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> Ahwatukee (Phoenix) AZ
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Re: Onan remote start [message #314285 is a reply to message #314275] Wed, 08 March 2017 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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Luvn737s wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 10:25
I am looking to replace the remote inside genset start switch. I replaced my 4.5 Kw Kohler with a 6.0Kw Onan. The Onan came with a remote start switch and hourmeter, etc. I would prefer not re-wiring the line from the inside of the coach to the genset and just re-use the existing wire. Is this feasible? The switch has start, run and stop functions as well as hourmeter power, but I am unsure of how they correspond to the wiring at the genset end. Any ideas?
Note: Pins 1 to 6 have two pins each, one across the top to connect to the remote and another down lower, mixed in with the rest of the stuff.

Pin 1 is ground for the board. it is also connected to the remote, providing a ground to the remote switch.

Pin 2 is the input to the board for the remote stop function. Grounding this pin cause the board to shut off the generator.

Pin 3 is the input to the board for the remote start function. Grounding this pin cause the board to start the generator.

Pin 4 doesn't seem to be used in our application. Looks like another input into the same circuits that the oil pressure switch connect to.

Pin 5 is FUSED 12 volts from the battery. It would be used for the battery condition meter if you have one.

Pin 6 has 12volts (fused) only when the generator is running. It goes to the "Generator running" indicator and/or the hour (Hobbs) meter.
Re: Onan remote start [message #314288 is a reply to message #314285] Wed, 08 March 2017 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A Hamilto wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 12:00
Luvn737s wrote on Wed, 08 March 2017 10:25
I am looking to replace the remote inside genset start switch. I replaced my 4.5 Kw Kohler with a 6.0Kw Onan. The Onan came with a remote start switch and hourmeter, etc. I would prefer not re-wiring the line from the inside of the coach to the genset and just re-use the existing wire. Is this feasible? The switch has start, run and stop functions as well as hourmeter power, but I am unsure of how they correspond to the wiring at the genset end. Any ideas?
Note: Pins 1 to 6 have two pins each, one across the top to connect to the remote and another down lower, mixed in with the rest of the stuff.

Pin 1 is ground for the board. it is also connected to the remote, providing a ground to the remote switch.

Pin 2 is the input to the board for the remote stop function. Grounding this pin cause the board to shut off the generator.

Pin 3 is the input to the board for the remote start function. Grounding this pin cause the board to start the generator.

Pin 4 doesn't seem to be used in our application. Looks like another input into the same circuits that the oil pressure switch connect to.

Pin 5 is FUSED 12 volts from the battery. It would be used for the battery condition meter if you have one.

Pin 6 has 12volts (fused) only when the generator is running. It goes to the "Generator running" indicator and/or the hour (Hobbs) meter.
I have down exactly what you are trying to do.
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=298834&rid=2083&srch=onan+switch#msg_298834
Re: Onan remote start [message #314309 is a reply to message #314288] Thu, 09 March 2017 09:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Before you start, make a 'truth' table showing the colors used by the Onan remote, with function and the colors used by the new switch/genset. You may find someone installed wires that are too wimpy to handle the load. Genset in my coach was remote wired with CAT 3 (telephone grade). I did not trust it to do the job and I completely bypassed the run.
Tom, MS II


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Re: Onan remote start [message #314310 is a reply to message #314275] Thu, 09 March 2017 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The diagram is very helpful. I'm not sure I was clear that I have a stock Onan on one end of the wiring and a stock Onan remote switch on the other with Kohler wiring connecting the two. I am going to assign the wires to the appropriate connections on each end. Without the wiring diagram, I'd be just guessing, so thanks again.


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Re: Onan remote start [message #314312 is a reply to message #314310] Thu, 09 March 2017 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Luvn737s wrote on Thu, 09 March 2017 09:49
The diagram is very helpful. I'm not sure I was clear that I have a stock Onan on one end of the wiring and a stock Onan remote switch on the other with Kohler wiring connecting the two. I am going to assign the wires to the appropriate connections on each end. Without the wiring diagram, I'd be just guessing, so thanks again.
I am pretty sure the new Onan switch innards are the same as what came on the GMC from the factory. Since you apparently didn't read the post I pointed to, here is a quote of the last paragraph. Description is from the view of looking at the switch from the back of the switch:

"Board pin 1 is ground and goes to the middle left connector on the switch, board pin 2 is start and goes to the top left of the switch, board pin 3 is stop and goes to the bottom left of the switch, board pin 6 is run indicator lamp/hobbs meter and goes to the top right on the switch, and board pin 5 goes to the bottom right of the switch for the battery condition meter if you have one."

I may have pins 2 and 3 mixed up in that post, but if you press the start and nothing happens, and you press stop and it tries to start, they are reversed.

Mine has been messed with, but FWIW, on mine, black is pin 1, white with red stripe is pin 2, white is pin 3, red is pin 6. I don't have anything on pin 5 to the remote start/stop.

Assign wire colors to yours and get on with it.

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Re: Onan remote start [message #314314 is a reply to message #314275] Thu, 09 March 2017 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You need - and have - four wires. Simply assign them by color at each end according to your Onan book. As to wire size, the Onan control runs off the fused 12V so pretty much any wire will do. I've a Kohner 4.5KW 'thumper' in the shop which came out of my SOB if anyone is interest5ed.

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Re: [GMCnet] Onan remote start [message #314321 is a reply to message #314314] Thu, 09 March 2017 14:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On the rocker switch, if you push on the upper portion of the switch you
are making electrical connection on the bottom side. Pin #2 goes to bottom
and pin #3 goes to top of switch

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
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> You need - and have - four wires. Simply assign them by color at each end
> according to your Onan book. As to wire size, the Onan control runs off
> the fused 12V so pretty much any wire will do. I've a Kohner 4.5KW
> 'thumper' in the shop which came out of my SOB if anyone is interest5ed.
>
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Re: Onan remote start [message #314337 is a reply to message #314275] Thu, 09 March 2017 21:26 Go to previous message
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If 3 is start and top of switch is start-- you want 3 to go to bottom teminal due to opposite switch action. One side of switch is common, start and stop. Other side is for indicator lamp only


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