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Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312501] Wed, 25 January 2017 11:33 Go to next message
resmit is currently offline  resmit   United States
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Anybody out there using one of the Hi-torque Mini Starters? My stock starter is dragging - again - and was considering an upgrade. Have seen a note next to some listed for 455CI Olds (Not Motor home or Toronado) not for FWD. Don't see any clearance issues and don't believe the block is any different RWD vs. FWD.

Any help appreciated.

Bob
Re: Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312505 is a reply to message #312501] Wed, 25 January 2017 11:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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resmit wrote on Wed, 25 January 2017 12:33
Anybody out there using one of the Hi-torque Mini Starters? My stock starter is dragging - again - and was considering an upgrade. Have seen a note next to some listed for 455CI Olds (Not Motor home or Toronado) not for FWD. Don't see any clearance issues and don't believe the block is any different RWD vs. FWD.

Any help appreciated.

Bob

Bob,

The Delco 10MT starter (what ours are just with a different nose casting than most) is a very durable unit. It can be completely rebuilt at very nominal cost. If you have access to a lathe, you can do the job yourself and the first time won't even take very long. A more that complete parts kit can be had from Ebay for 30$.

Somebody here did at least investigate installing one, but the price was something to behold.

Matt - I've done 4 of them


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Re: [GMCnet] Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312506 is a reply to message #312501] Wed, 25 January 2017 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Henderson is currently offline  Ken Henderson   United States
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Bob,

I'm pretty sure you'll find that the reason for the "Not for MH..." note is
that the mini-starter you're considering is designed to mount on the LEFT
side of the engine, as in RWD vehicles, using vertical bolts. That
obviously won't work on the RIGHT side of a MH engine, using horizontal
bolts.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Robert Smith wrote:

> Anybody out there using one of the Hi-torque Mini Starters? My stock
> starter is dragging - again - and was considering an upgrade. Have seen a
> note
> next to some listed for 455CI Olds (Not Motor home or Toronado) not for
> FWD. Don't see any clearance issues and don't believe the block is any
> different RWD vs. FWD.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Bob
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312510 is a reply to message #312501] Wed, 25 January 2017 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,
We requested to the manufacturer a slight change one customer requested,
now it works fine.
Must be for front wheel drive trans.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Robert Smith wrote:

> Anybody out there using one of the Hi-torque Mini Starters? My stock
> starter is dragging - again - and was considering an upgrade. Have seen a
> note
> next to some listed for 455CI Olds (Not Motor home or Toronado) not for
> FWD. Don't see any clearance issues and don't believe the block is any
> different RWD vs. FWD.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Bob
>
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Re: Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312512 is a reply to message #312501] Wed, 25 January 2017 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My experience has been, dragging is usually due to a worn front bushing, assuming proper connections. An easy cheap fix.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312519 is a reply to message #312512] Wed, 25 January 2017 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Back in the early days of Olds V-8 engines (1949 - 1954) they had 6 volt
electrical systems. When they got warmed up, the starters would heat soak.
The electrical resistance would increase dramatically, they would crank
slower and with the additional resistance, the ignition spark would get
weaker. They would crank, but not start. In 1955, Olds went to a 12 volt
GENERATOR. They continued using the larger diameter battery cables used
with the 6 volt system for a couple more years until their stock of wire
harnesses and cables were used up. Then they changed over to harnesses and
cables that were one half the diameter of the 6 volt. That is essentially
the harness sizes that the GMC was originally fitted with. So much for the
history of GM wire harnesses. The starters still do not have shields to
protect the starter from exhaust heat, they still heat soak, and when the
harnesses degrade with age and heat, they still slow crank and no start.
All this puts more wear and tear on the bushings and brushes and pinion
gear and solenoid in the starter. The fix? Battery cables and chassis
grounds. Chase the harnesses from end to end, convert ignition systems to
electronic, GET RID OF THAT RESISTOR BURIED INSIDE THE ENGINE WIRE HARNESS,
keep your batteries in good shape and charged. All this does not cost very
much. But, if you really want your coach to start quickly, install fuel
injection. Day and night difference. It goes without saying much more, that
a good electrical tune up of the plugs and secondary wires, cap and rotor
helps a lot too.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

On Jan 25, 2017 4:40 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" <
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> My experience has been, dragging is usually due to a worn front bushing,
> assuming proper connections. An easy cheap fix.
>
> --johnny
> --
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> add - ons.
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Re: [GMCnet] Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312523 is a reply to message #312519] Thu, 26 January 2017 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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Is there a heat shield available for these engines?
Is the problem worse with headers?
How hard would it be to make a heat shield?
Re: [GMCnet] Hi-Torque Mini Starter [message #312524 is a reply to message #312523] Thu, 26 January 2017 12:41 Go to previous message
Emery Stora is currently offline  Emery Stora   United States
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I have had headers for many years. I also have never had any problems with my starter and heat.
What some might think is a heat problem is probably a battery cable to the starter problem or a ground problem.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

> On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:11 AM, David H. Jarvis wrote:
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> Is there a heat shield available for these engines?
> Is the problem worse with headers?
> How hard would it be to make a heat shield?
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