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Tue, 20 December 2016 07:21 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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The Big White Dog No Host Assembly was in my case preceded by a show in Savannah. The coach ran well, until I got to the weight station on I-16 about fifteen miles from Savannah. KAaPOW, and a look out the side showed coolant and steam blowing everyplace. I pulled off, and had a look under. Not a broken hose fortunately, rather when I replaced the radiator I dodn't get the upper clamp sufficiently tight. So, slipped it back on and tightened it properly with a wrench. The nice cop at the weigh station showed me the faucet, three trips with my 'Corn boiler' pot and off we went. No further trouble with cooling. One of the ladies who shows Dachshunds has a pig - pilling on Friday night before this show, she brings a giant smoker and does a whole pig. Everybody brings sides and dessert, it's a fine feed.
Monday early headed to Lake Louisa State Park NW of Orlando, joined by the Jordans in their coach, the Galbavys in theirs, and the Phipps in their new(er) SOB. Tom Proyor joined us and stayed with me in the front bunk. Ham n Beans, Almost Famous Chicken, Down East pulled pig BBQ, and a night at the Vietnamese joint in Clermont. Good eating, visits to Jim Bounds' Co-op, a ride in the Diesel conversion coach, and in my case a browse through the junk bin for some pneumatic parts. Folks headed out Saturday while I did the Dog Show Thing, we had three BWDs for the kids to pet and oooh and aaah over. It looked something like this:
https://www.facebook.com/KuvaszClubOfAmerica/?fref=ts
Poke around and there are some vids of kids and the dogs.
Early Monday morning I set sail North after nine days of GMCing one place or another. The trip went great until I was about ten miles North of Atlanta, where the relatively new transmission decided it would play no more. Didn't slip, just disengaged in third. Pulled fine on first and second so I eased it up the road in second until about three miles from the house where second disengaged. I got it off the road and parked on the access drive to an old cemetery. I'm currently waiting for Alton Edge to call when his heavy wrecker is available to yank it the last few miles to its resting pad out back by my shop. When it first disengaged, I had a look, fluid was halfway between the dot and the 'add one pint' mark, I brought it up to the full mark. Not foamy, not burnt, smells normal. No obvious leaks. This trans was installed when I bought the coach, it's a new Manny rebuild. I'll speak with him when I get it home and the pan removed, and see what the next step might be. I suspect I'm going to learn how to R&R the transmission in the GMC motorhome. I'd been a bit concerned about the oil pressure the engine holds, but it's within the wear limits and the PO said it's always been that way. So while I was a bit tense over that the new no worries transmission lunched. Go figure.
Two little hiccups apart, it was a fun week.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #311557 is a reply to message #311552] |
Tue, 20 December 2016 11:29 |
Carl S.
Messages: 4186 Registered: January 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ.
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Beautiful dogs, Johnny!
Hope the trans problem is nothing major. Maybe it's something minor and won't require removal
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: Trip Report [message #311559 is a reply to message #311552] |
Tue, 20 December 2016 12:42 |
jknezek
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Hoping it's an easy fix. Say a plugged vacuum line! Fingers crossed for you Johnny.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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Re: Trip Report [message #311562 is a reply to message #311552] |
Tue, 20 December 2016 15:50 |
cbryan
Messages: 451 Registered: May 2012 Location: Ennis, Texas
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Aww, Johnny,
That's not good luck, except for the fact that everyone's healthy, which is the ultimate luck. Nothing to offer with respect to the transmission, just hoping against hope it is something minor like the governor, but from what I understand, that would explain the third gear not engaging. No second gear is something else again.
I gots a theory about old stuff. The electrons wear out. They gets tired of the same old rigamarole and gets so mad that they start smoking.
Low fluid, like Cotton-eyed Joe, "Where did it come from, where did it go? Where did he come from, Cotton-eyed Joe."
Up through the vacuum modulator? You have a clean engine, now, if so. Good luck with the tow.
Best,
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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Re: Trip Report [message #311570 is a reply to message #311552] |
Wed, 21 December 2016 13:31 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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Followup:
A couple of days for them to get batteries and get their larger wrecker going. Alton Edge Wrecker Service then appeared with a single axle Holmes wheel lift wrecker. Picks the coach up with several inches to spare at the radiator bracket. I ran the rear all the way up, Alton JR. Brought it home and deposited it on the pad without further ado save scraping the hitch on the driveway - where it always scrapes anyway. The Edge family is big fans of the station I moved here to upgrade and engineer, so the total bite Was $90. He said 85, but I didn't have a five and I thought 90 was a gift anyway so I told him here's cash don't tell the taxman and buy me a sammich sometime. Anyway it's home, tank is dumped, and I can get hold of Manny and see where we go from here.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #311581 is a reply to message #311552] |
Thu, 22 December 2016 08:17 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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From: Ken Henderson
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Johnny,
Are you telling us you don't have road service? No way I'd venture out of my driveway without it! The cost of wrecker service is just tooo high in relation to the cost of road service. During our travels, covering Key West to Fairbanks, we've made use of our "insurance" a few times.
Let's see now: I bought the GMC on 30 Apr 98. On 1 May I had it towed from DeFuniak Springs to Panama City, FL (total engine failure). On about 30 Jul 2000, I had it towed from Sheridan to Cheyenne, WY (torque converter failure). On about 15 Jun 2013 I had it towed from San Mateo to Newark, CA (Cad500 rocker stand broke). On about 15 Jul 2013 I had it towed from Tupelo, MS to Americus, GA (ANOTHER Cad500 rocker stand broke). In addition to those GMC events, there was at least a lockout and a battery failure on other vehicles, and I've probably forgotten some others. Each of those tows would have cost me at least $250, and the latest one, from MS, would have cost more than the 18 years of annual fees, so I'm 'way ahead on cost, not to mention the peace of mind of knowing I can always call for help -- regardless of how far from home and friends. I've never even received a follow-up call from RVRoadHelp, not to mention a bill or cancellation threat.
JWID, and encourage all motorhomers to do.
I've looked into several, but not RVRoadHelp. I'll have a look. Realize, you put a lot more miles on yours than I do on mine. Also, I'm not a great fan of the Cadillac engine in this service - I think the Olds is better suited. At any rate, I've not had a stock setup leave me stranded, although I did have to wait twice while the overheated engine cooled after a long pull. Rebuilding the radiator fixed that problem. I could likely have soldiered on home this time but A) I had a good place to put it; B) it was local, so I knew the wrecker service folks; and C) In hopes of a simple cure I didn't want to risk further damage to the transmission.
I suspect the problem may be related to all the outlaw cooling stuff the coach has on it which will be coming off this winter. Manny recommended one external cooler, then a trip through the radiator cooler and back to the trans. Conversation with Dave Shattuck indicates that this radiator has never had failure trans fluid or oil through either of the coolers. Additionally, Sims ran the tanks through their cleanout process when they recored it. I'll run some ATF through both and catch it and make sure they're clean, then reconnect them. My stock cooling setup on the 23' works well, oil and trans temps track the engine temp except when idling or stop and go, the trans will run 5 - 10 degrees hotter. This indicates to me that the stock setup is the preferred.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #311587 is a reply to message #311552] |
Fri, 23 December 2016 10:48 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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From Manny, I have a set of diagnostic tests to accomplish on the transmission. It is possible that it's toast. Tests should tell.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #311800 is a reply to message #311552] |
Tue, 03 January 2017 15:27 |
cbryan
Messages: 451 Registered: May 2012 Location: Ennis, Texas
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OK, Johnny,
What did the tests reveal? Can you tell us the tests or are they proprietary? I know one is to simply start the engine, wait for low idle, put the tranny in gear and all brakes off, does it want to creep forward if in gear on level ground? If not, tranny lunched.
I hope yours was simple. Trying to wrack my brain to find a cheap fix scenario, but too many things sound ominous. Manny is irreplaceable. Good luck with the fix. If you are like me, you want it to rest while your energy returns for doing something with the dang thing which, after all, left you on the side of the road with little warning.
Best,
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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Re: Trip Report [message #311803 is a reply to message #311552] |
Tue, 03 January 2017 18:57 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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Nothing proprietary - pressure test and examine the pan. Today is the first day it quit raining and my cold has left enough to worry with it. Tomorrow, on the ramps and see what we find. The pad should be dry by tomorrow (my pad is outdoors).
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #312055 is a reply to message #311552] |
Thu, 12 January 2017 11:30 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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Finally, sunshine and over 45 degrees. After some trouble, I got a tube all the way into the transmission pan, and it's (very slowly) siphoning the fluid into some gallon bottles. Looks like three - four hours to get a couple of gallons out of it. The idea is to drain it below the level of the pan, so I don't make a colossal mess on the pad. Which mess would certainly end up in the BWD's coat. Later this afternoon I should be able to get the pan off and see what's in it.
Once it's repaired I will replumb the transmission and oil cooling systems back to stock. On Manny's advice, I'll add one simple cooler to the transmission lines, after the radiator cooler. I thik I know where I can get a set of stock lines for both the transmission and the oil filter adaptor, I'll probably add a set of J.R.'s flex lines for the oil cooler. The coach is currently a plumber's night mare, because the PO hauled a heavy trailer full of Harleys in the Rocky Mountains. Experience with my 23' indicates that the stock setup is sufficient as long as the fan is working properly and the radiator isn't plugged or obstructed. I only see two hills of any consequence, it sails over both with the recored radiator and new fan clutch with either the Mousetoad or the ratrod clipped on the back. I expect the same from the 26'.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #312221 is a reply to message #311552] |
Tue, 17 January 2017 15:47 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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As I remove things, I learn. One thing I've had re-emphasized... don't overdo it. Or take the motto from Thurber's Fable of the Bear. I just lifted out two forced air coolers, a relay, and several miles of wire. Yet to be removed because the weather chased me out from under it, several miles of rubber tubing with multiple splices and connectors. When I'm done, the rebuilt trans will have the original steel lines to the cooler in the radiator, and to a 'U-tube' cooler in front of the radiator per Manny's suggestion. Of the four fitted, these two were bypassed. We'll be going back to stock with a helper. I now have two used forced air coolers for sale. Offers?
--johnny
oh yeah - the motto - 'You might as well fall flat on your face as to bend over too far backwards.'
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Trip Report [message #314050 is a reply to message #311552] |
Sat, 04 March 2017 14:11 |
jhbridges
Messages: 8412 Registered: May 2011 Location: Braselton ga
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Time marches on. My transmission and one I'm hauling for Chuck Boyd repose in the bed of my ratrod truck for Monday delivery to South Georgia where in a few weeks they are to be rebuilt. The space in my coach allows me to spend some time in the engine room cleaning up loose hoses, endless wires, and the like. Required tools - a pair of dikes and a two hundred sack of Ty-Raps <tm>
I'm shooting for the first of May.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: [GMCnet] Trip Report [message #314061 is a reply to message #314050] |
Sat, 04 March 2017 17:26 |
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Where are they going for rebuild? A GMC source down there I don't know
about?
bdub
On Mar 4, 2017 2:12 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" wrote:
Time marches on. My transmission and one I'm hauling for Chuck Boyd repose
in the bed of my ratrod truck for Monday delivery to South Georgia where
in a few weeks they
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Re: [GMCnet] Trip Report [message #314064 is a reply to message #314061] |
Sat, 04 March 2017 17:47 |
Ken Henderson
Messages: 8726 Registered: March 2004 Location: Americus, GA
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Billy,
Manny's planning to come here again next month and build some
transmissions. He's been here twice before, and we'd agreed that "we're
both gittin' too old for this...", but events and demand means we're having
at least one more fun week. :-)
Ken H.
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 6:26 PM, Billy Massey wrote:
> Where are they going for rebuild? A GMC source down there I don't know
> about?
>
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