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Das Boot [message #310573] |
Fri, 18 November 2016 15:03 |
jhbridges
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No, not the movie - although if you haven't seen it, rent it and watch. I jacked the front of the 26' up to pop off the drivers wheel whose new tire is losing air and found gobs of nice clean Syntek or something like all over the lower control arm and elsewhere close by. The boot, which looks new, is dimpled as though it didn't sit correctly for whatever reason. At any rate, after I got all the grease off it - or at least enough to feel the boot itself, there's a finger sized hole in one of the inner creases. A bit of conversation with Jimmy the K and a bit of advice, and there's a new boot on the way. I have a can of Syntek I packed the new rear bearings with to use. After discussion of the split boots, I'll go ahead and yank the axle out and put an OEM on it and replace. The splits do well as long as you don't turn tight too often... but moving around my yard and shop requires lock - to - lock turns quite often, leading me to the conclusion that a bit of time spent will pay off six months from now when the OEM is still sound but the split would have failed. They worked great on the swing axles on my VW bus though.
If it ain't one thing it's another. Jim also advised checking the timing and stepping it out a couple of degrees with the MSD injection system in hopes of improving fuel mileage. He's adamant that the 3.70 doesn't degrade the mileage so there must be something else going on here.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Das Boot [message #310580 is a reply to message #310573] |
Fri, 18 November 2016 16:33 |
C Boyd
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Hi Johnny..
I do not put inner bands on for that reason. They won't leak and it gives the boot room to flex.
Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 18 November 2016 16:03No, not the movie - although if you haven't seen it, rent it and watch. I jacked the front of the 26' up to pop off the drivers wheel whose new tire is losing air and found gobs of nice clean Syntek or something like all over the lower control arm and elsewhere close by. The boot, which looks new, is dimpled as though it didn't sit correctly for whatever reason. At any rate, after I got all the grease off it - or at least enough to feel the boot itself, there's a finger sized hole in one of the inner creases. A bit of conversation with Jimmy the K and a bit of advice, and there's a new boot on the way. I have a can of Syntek I packed the new rear bearings with to use. After discussion of the split boots, I'll go ahead and yank the axle out and put an OEM on it and replace. The splits do well as long as you don't turn tight too often... but moving around my yard and shop requires lock - to - lock turns quite often, leading me to the conclusion that a bit of time spent will pay off six months from now when the OEM is still sound but the split would have failed. They worked great on the swing axles on my VW bus though.
If it ain't one thing it's another. Jim also advised checking the timing and stepping it out a couple of degrees with the MSD injection system in hopes of improving fuel mileage. He's adamant that the 3.70 doesn't degrade the mileage so there must be something else going on here.
--johnny
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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Re: Das Boot [message #310598 is a reply to message #310573] |
Sat, 19 November 2016 08:10 |
jhbridges
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This one didn't have inner bands. I've no idea why it pulled in on a couple of the ridges, but it did. You'd expect that if it were twisted at install, but without the inner band it ought to untwist. We'll see how the new one does and go from there. New front brake pads in the offing... as you pointed out, these are too soft. Dust everywhere.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Das Boot [message #310600 is a reply to message #310598] |
Sat, 19 November 2016 08:55 |
C Boyd
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I have noticed a pattern on boot failure. Seems time is involved. I have done ~ 10 this year and all were replaced within 2-3 years ago. After you get the outer band on move the joint side to side. The inner part of the boot moves in and out and tugs on the boot if banded.
Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 19 November 2016 09:10This one didn't have inner bands. I've no idea why it pulled in on a couple of the ridges, but it did. You'd expect that if it were twisted at install, but without the inner band it ought to untwist. We'll see how the new one does and go from there. New front brake pads in the offing... as you pointed out, these are too soft. Dust everywhere.
--johnny
C. Boyd
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Re: Das Boot [message #310665 is a reply to message #310573] |
Sun, 20 November 2016 14:22 |
jhbridges
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So, what I done was, I unbolted the axle from the flange on the differential, and then called two Gurus. Advice: Turn the wheels all the way to the left lock, jack the control arm up for the best clearance of the axle stub, almost level. That got the stub out of the steering knuckle. Now I got the axle loose at both ends. It looks like a 3 - D jigsaw puzzle. A bit of measuring shows it ain't coming out without removing something. The outer tie rod end looked the easiest, so I loosened the castellated nut, whacked the schiess out of the knuckle with a dead blow hammer, and it tapped out with a soft faced hammer. The axle slipped right out. Fortunately I have a set of snap ring pliers which are reversible so I got the outer CV assembly right off the axle shaft after removing the boot in a destructive manner (box cutter and dikes for the straps). I got all the grease out of it, inspection shows it to be either new or close - looks new and unmarked anyway. As soon as the boot gets here, I'll pack it full of Syntek grease and re - assemble the whole thing using new flange bolts since several of these were finger tight which beat up the threads where they pass through the inner CV housing. I'll run a thread chaser through the flange threads, and the new bolts will get blue Loc-Tite<tm> to keep them in place. Given their (lack of) tightness, I'm gonna be proactive and replace the other side bolts as well unless they're torqued up yet, which I doubt. I propose to be finished by Wednesday. Thursday is the middle of the Haollowgivingmassevehashana holiday and our anniversary (47 years) and the remainder of the weekend is shows in Montgomery.
This means the three Onan boards I have in hand for repair will be a couple of weeks yet. Reportedly, they're all spares, the sets are running, so it isn't a great problem.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Das Boot [message #310724 is a reply to message #310573] |
Mon, 21 November 2016 16:10 |
jhbridges
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The boot got here from Applied along with packing grease and band clamps. I got bolts. Driver's side axle will appear on my coach tomorrow. Since I bought sufficient bolts for the passenger side, I figured mights well to look. I'm glad I did, the outer boot is old and cracked, it wasn't redone when the driver's side was. Sigh. So, after the driver's side goes on, passenger side comes off. Since I have on hand a boot for the inner CV, I'll repack it and do both ends, now both axles will be redone, new boots, new grease. At least I hadn't ought to have to worry over them any time soon.
Now all that's left is the frickin' Jasper engine. Anybody got a core 455 I can have for cheap? I'll break it down and take the parts down to John Beavers for a proper rebuild and the coach will be mechanically all new. Failing that, I suspect I can jack the Jasper one up, yank the oil pan, and fit it with a high volume pump and get back the pressure it oughta have.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot [message #310732 is a reply to message #310724] |
Mon, 21 November 2016 19:21 |
Ken Henderson
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Johnny,
What parts of a 455 do you need? While at the farm collecting 4 FD's for
Alex Ferrara last week I noticed that I still have a block, with bearing
caps, that's just in the way. If your basic block is bad and other core
parts good, that might help. Should I drag it down to John's for him to
check condition?
Ken H.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> The boot got here from Applied along with packing grease and band clamps.
> I got bolts. Driver's side axle will appear on my coach tomorrow. Since I
> bought sufficient bolts for the passenger side, I figured mights well to
> look. I'm glad I did, the outer boot is old and cracked, it wasn't redone
> when the driver's side was. Sigh. So, after the driver's side goes on,
> passenger side comes off. Since I have on hand a boot for the inner CV,
> I'll
> repack it and do both ends, now both axles will be redone, new boots, new
> grease. At least I hadn't ought to have to worry over them any time soon.
>
>
> Now all that's left is the frickin' Jasper engine. Anybody got a core 455
> I can have for cheap? I'll break it down and take the parts down to John
> Beavers for a proper rebuild and the coach will be mechanically all new.
> Failing that, I suspect I can jack the Jasper one up, yank the oil pan, and
> fit it with a high volume pump and get back the pressure it oughta have.
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
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> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my
> dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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Re: Das Boot [message #310753 is a reply to message #310573] |
Tue, 22 November 2016 08:38 |
jhbridges
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PM sent.
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Das Boot [message #310754 is a reply to message #310573] |
Tue, 22 November 2016 08:39 |
jhbridges
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And I got another tip from one of the gurus. Swap sides with the axles, so the wear faces are reversed. I'll be doing that.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: Das Boot [message #310812 is a reply to message #310573] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 16:29 |
jhbridges
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Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and reassembled, ready to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM is enough easier to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads cleaned and ready for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the wheels, giving me more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to under it while I'm jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can straighten the frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum) isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed in favor of an aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather have an original and let Sims recore it with the better core.
Help!
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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[GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot [message #310825 is a reply to message #310812] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 17:44 |
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Johnny,
Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.
How much do you want for it?
Regards,
Rob
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Cc: Johnny Bridges
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
reassembled, ready
to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
is enough easier
to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
cleaned and ready
for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
wheels, giving me
more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
under it while I'm
jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
straighten the
frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum) isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
in favor of an
aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
core.
Help!
--johnny
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'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
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Re: Das Boot [message #310826 is a reply to message #310573] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 17:58 |
jhbridges
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Rob -
Whatever it weighs for scrap aluminum. Let me point out, though, you may not want to use this particular one for oil cooler tests. The oil cooler is disconnected and the coach has an outboard pair of coolers, one with a fan. This radiator was in it when Neil lunched the first Jasper mill, and is therefore untrustworthy - it probably has tidbits of that engine in it. That being said, if you want in, come get it. Or I can haul it to Orlando next month. Or I can haul it to Save The Sun next August. Or whatever.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: [GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot [message #310827 is a reply to message #310825] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 18:07 |
Kingsley Coach
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Rob,Rob,Rob...off net means no one else knows what you are saying because
you have to actually go Off Net
I don't have an alum rad, but if I did I'd sell it to you...
Mike in NS
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Rob Mueller
wrote:
> Johnny,
>
> Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have
> your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
> drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.
>
> How much do you want for it?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: Johnny Bridges
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
>
> Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and
> one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
> reassembled, ready
> to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible
> to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
> is enough easier
> to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles
> together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
> cleaned and ready
> for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the
> cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
> wheels, giving me
> more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to
> Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
> The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got
> crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
> under it while I'm
> jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward
> under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
> straighten the
> frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum)
> isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
> in favor of an
> aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather
> have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
> core.
>
> Help!
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
>
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Re: Das Boot [message #310834 is a reply to message #310573] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 19:19 |
jhbridges
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Off net? What am I missing here?
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Re: [GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot [message #310836 is a reply to message #310825] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 19:43 |
GMCWiperMan
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Johnny,
I missed your original message so I'm a bit late to the party. Two weeks
or so ago I gave John Beaver my AL-replaced OEM rad to replace his OEM with
green streaks. He hasn't installed yet, but would probably be willing to
since you want to recore anyway. Call him.
Ken H.
On Nov 23, 2016 18:46, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
> Johnny,
>
> Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have
> your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
> drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.
>
> How much do you want for it?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Cc: Johnny Bridges
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
>
> Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and
> one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
> reassembled, ready
> to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible
> to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
> is enough easier
> to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles
> together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
> cleaned and ready
> for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the
> cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
> wheels, giving me
> more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to
> Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
> The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got
> crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
> under it while I'm
> jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward
> under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
> straighten the
> frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum)
> isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
> in favor of an
> aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather
> have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
> core.
>
> Help!
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot [message #310843 is a reply to message #310826] |
Wed, 23 November 2016 20:48 |
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USAussie
Messages: 15912 Registered: July 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Johnny,
Done deal, just hang on to it, maybe we can find someone from your neck of the woods that will attend the GMCMI Convention in
Shawnee Oklahoma next spring and will schlep it there for me.
Actually the fact it came out of a GMC that the engine blew up in pleases me! I'll have it cleaned by a shop with one of these:
http://www.hotflusher.com/automotive/Jay-Leno-Hot-Flush.cfm
And tell them to retain the crap they get out of it.
Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:59 AM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Cc: Johnny Bridges
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
Rob -
Whatever it weighs for scrap aluminum. Let me point out, though, you may not want to use this particular one for oil cooler tests.
The oil cooler is disconnected and the coach has an outboard pair of coolers, one with a fan. This radiator was in it when Neil
lunched the first Jasper mill, and is therefore untrustworthy - it probably has tidbits of that engine in it. That being said, if
you want in, come get it. Or I can haul it to Orlando next month. Or I can haul it to Save The Sun next August. Or whatever.
--johnny
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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