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Inverter option [message #308616] Wed, 12 October 2016 09:44 Go to next message
Tilerpep is currently offline  Tilerpep   United States
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APC uninterruptible power supply (UPS) Model BEC350R just started acting like battery not holding (alarm with no significant load added). Been hooked to my home desktop for a few years...

What if... I hook a 35 amp hour sealed wheelchair 12 volt battery I have in the garage to it for use as a 110 power supply while boondocking? Since these things are designed for electronics, do they have the pure sine wave that the expensive, small, quiet generators produce? The stock APC battery is 3 amp hour rated. Build a little box to hold and carry it as a unit, and I have a self contained, mobile AC unit with built in charger. By my math I could charge a little over a zillion phones - ha!


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Re: Inverter option [message #308622 is a reply to message #308616] Wed, 12 October 2016 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bullitthead is currently offline  Bullitthead   United States
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I have several UPS's hooked up to LEAD/ACID automotive batteries and they will provide power for much longer than the small LEAD/ACID batteries that come with them. They DO NOT provide pure sine wave power, it is just a chopper wave and sensitive devices like an induction cooktop will not run on them. I tried 3 different brands. The computers and TVs have their own power supplies that will accept the chopper or square wave output and work just fine on them. Remember to use the same format of battery construction that was originally in the UPS, which for all of mine was LEAD/ACID. I have been using automotive batteries that still have 6 functioning cells for the proper 12.6 volt resting voltage, but not enough current capacity to start an engine. They will last another year or 2 hooked up to the UPS. I am using one of them as a trickle/maintenance charger on several different batteries. DO NOT leave the original UPS battery installed, it must be removed from the circuit and the large battery takes its place. I used one in the GMC to maintain the house battery for 4 years with no problems except that the UPS does not provide enough charge current to run many 12 volt devices without draining the battery (like the Norcold fridge), or incandescent light bulbs. A couple of LED substitute bulbs is all it takes to eat up the charge current of the UPS. The charge current might support a 12V>USB phone charger,YMMV. The 110V output will probably power the phone charger for days if the automotive battery still has some good plate area left in it and is not completely sulfated.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
Re: Inverter option [message #308623 is a reply to message #308616] Wed, 12 October 2016 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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Be very careful with using external batteries on UPS units designed for internal batteries. Many are designed for least cost and have no isolation between the battery and the main power lines. There may only be ~13 volts across the battery, but the from the battery terminals there could be live 120 volts from the power line. In which case touching the battery terminal may be the end of you!

Just saying....


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Re: Inverter option [message #308624 is a reply to message #308616] Wed, 12 October 2016 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Tyler,

None that I have seen are pure sine. Some barely qualify as modified square.

I do have a modified square in the coach to run the reefer and what ever else. It powers electronics without any issue. But, then, so do the two UPS in the house that keep the house communications alive when the lights go out. I have one UPS for primary communication (telephone and housenet) that is just that, a UPS of capable rating, but sitting on top of a 60Ahr AGM. I should do Bruce's check. I never thought of that possibility.

Matt


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Re: Inverter option [message #308627 is a reply to message #308624] Wed, 12 October 2016 12:22 Go to previous message
tphipps is currently offline  tphipps   United States
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Bonus on using UPS, surge protection. Go for it. Small motorcycle sized batteries would also work in this format. I have UPSs installed on all electronics that I do not wish to replace after a lightening storm. Alabama is within the lightening strike belt of the U.S.
Tom, MS II


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