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Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307941]

Wed, 28 September 2016 11:12

George Beckman

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Location: Colfax, CA

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Out of town, it was hot, I thought I might want to run the Onan all night and it is on propane, so I went to have the propane filled. The young man balked and said it needed to be recertified. I tried in vain to tell him motorhome tanks are not DOT but didn't get LPG. Only guy in the town.

Can someone direct me to an official booklet, document, etc. I could carry to educate the unwashed?

Thanks.

'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George

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Re: Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307944 is a reply to message #307941]

Wed, 28 September 2016 11:17

lqqkatjon

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Registered: October 2010
Location: St. Cloud, MN

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Some people cannot be convinced no matter what. Propane places can have people like that, and even the best propane place can sometimes have an employee out there that I am surprised has not blown himself up.

I would stop by on a different shift.

Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/

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Re: Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307945 is a reply to message #307941]

Wed, 28 September 2016 11:30

A Hamilto

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Registered: April 2011

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George Beckman wrote on Wed, 28 September 2016 11:12

Out of town, it was hot, I thought I might want to run the Onan all night and it is on propane, so I went to have the propane filled. The young man balked and said it needed to be recertified. I tried in vain to tell him motorhome tanks are not DOT but didn't get LPG. Only guy in the town.

Can someone direct me to an official booklet, document, etc. I could carry to educate the unwashed?

Thanks.

It won't help much now, but if you rig a way to connect BBQ grill tanks, and a way to switch between the OEM tank and that connection, you can pay a deposit at a tank exchange place (like Walmart) and have a backup plan. OR, read on.

The moral of the story is what I am tempted to say every time someone hard sells Onan propane conversions: The Onan will run four times as long on the gasoline tanks as it will on the propane tank, and GASOLINE IS CONVENIENTLY AVAILABLE EVWEYWHERE.

Make it dual fuel and cover yourself for contingencies. Any propane conversion should have the ability to effortlessly switch between propane and gasoline.

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Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307947 is a reply to message #307941]

Wed, 28 September 2016 12:30

Olly Schmidt

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Registered: February 2014
Location: Germany and Scottsville, ...

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We had this issue last year around the same time, whenI tried to get my
tank filled up.

First: We don't need an Overflow Protection Device, as our system is too
old. Read

http://rvtravel.com/publish/RVer_struggles_to_get_horizontal_lp_tank_filled.shtml

2nd: Our LPG installation is not certified by DOT, but certified for
life by ASME, therefore we do not need re-certification.

--
Best regards

Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA

'76a Eleganza II, VA

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Re: Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307957 is a reply to message #307941]

Wed, 28 September 2016 14:12

Matt Colie

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George Beckman wrote on Wed, 28 September 2016 12:12

Out of town, it was hot, I thought I might want to run the Onan all night and it is on propane, so I went to have the propane filled. The young man balked and said it needed to be recertified. I tried in vain to tell him motorhome tanks are not DOT but didn't get LPG. Only guy in the town.

Can someone direct me to an official booklet, document, etc. I could carry to educate the unwashed?

Thanks.

George,

Such is available on line, mine is in the middle of an old NFPA code book.
Start by pointing to the big stamped tag that is welded to the tank.
Ask if he has seen one of those before and does he know what and ASME code tank is?
Ask if he knows why there is no requirement for recertification of ASME code tanks? (None - ever)

Then there is a story of an MH owner that was told his LP tank needed to be recertified. He asked if they could do it and they said he would have to leave the coach there for a day. He agreed. He came back the next day to pick up the coach and he also had a warrant. It seems he was from the state fire marshal's office.

I don't know how that would work in California.

Matt

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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit

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Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307976 is a reply to message #307941]

Wed, 28 September 2016 18:38

armandminnie

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Location: Marana, AZ

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I have not had the problem of outright refusal but last week the attendant
at Costco said he was worried about the rust spots - two normal 5" diameter
spots where the water leaks in through the vents - and that I should get
that fixed before someone else (like him I guess) refuses to fill it.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:12 AM, George Beckman
wrote:

> Out of town, it was hot, I thought I might want to run the Onan all night
> and it is on propane, so I went to have the propane filled. The young man
> balked and said it needed to be recertified. I tried in vain to tell him
> motorhome tanks are not DOT but didn't get LPG. Only guy in the town.
>
> Can someone direct me to an official booklet, document, etc. I could carry
> to educate the unwashed?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> '74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
> Best Wishes,
> George
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #307992 is a reply to message #307976]

Wed, 28 September 2016 22:36

Dolph Santorine

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Registered: April 2011
Location: Wheeling, WV

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Paint the tank. Put “Bar Keepers Friend” on the valves and the fittings.

Your problem will likely go away.

Three hours or so, and if it looks right, it likely is right.

I did so, and have not had a problem since.

Dolph

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
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“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Armand Minnie wrote:
>
> I have not had the problem of outright refusal but last week the attendant
> at Costco said he was worried about the rust spots - two normal 5" diameter
> spots where the water leaks in through the vents - and that I should get
> that fixed before someone else (like him I guess) refuses to fill it.
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:12 AM, George Beckman
> wrote:
>
>> Out of town, it was hot, I thought I might want to run the Onan all night
>> and it is on propane, so I went to have the propane filled. The young man
>> balked and said it needed to be recertified. I tried in vain to tell him
>> motorhome tanks are not DOT but didn't get LPG. Only guy in the town.
>>
>> Can someone direct me to an official booklet, document, etc. I could carry
>> to educate the unwashed?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> '74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
>> Best Wishes,
>> George
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Wouldn't Fill My Propane [message #308022 is a reply to message #307957]

Thu, 29 September 2016 17:07

GMC.LES

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Registered: April 2014

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The original ASME tank on my coach has been punched with several test dates over the years, indicating that some sort of recertification was attempted. It is possible that there are a few poorly informed test facilities in my area, but more likely, that there are businesses who are happy to take your money with a smile, while preying on the uniformed customer.

A clear situation where the customer needs to be well informed and able to provide reputable data when necessary. IOW - Buyer be aware!

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Matt Colie wrote:
>
> George Beckman wrote on Wed, 28 September 2016 12:12
>> Out of town, it was hot, I thought I might want to run the Onan all night and it is on propane, so I went to have the propane filled. The young
>> man balked and said it needed to be recertified. I tried in vain to tell him motorhome tanks are not DOT but didn't get LPG. Only guy in the town.
>>
>> Can someone direct me to an official booklet, document, etc. I could carry to educate the unwashed?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> George,
>
> Such is available on line, mine is in the middle of an old NFPA code book.
> Start by pointing to the big stamped tag that is welded to the tank.
> Ask if he has seen one of those before and does he know what and ASME code tank is?
> Ask if he knows why there is no requirement for recertification of ASME code tanks? (None - ever)
>
> Then there is a story of an MH owner that was told his LP tank needed to be recertified. He asked if they could do it and they said he would have to
> leave the coach there for a day. He agreed. He came back the next day to pick up the coach and he also had a warrant. It seems he was from the
> state fire marshal's office.
>
> I don't know how that would work in California.
>
> Matt
> --
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> '73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
> Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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