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Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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Which vitreous china toilets fit in a Palm Beach?

Epoxy has the original functional, but it won't be for long.

Thanks.

Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307827 is a reply to message #307824] Sun, 25 September 2016 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Sun, 25 September 2016 20:09
Which vitreous china toilets fit in a Palm Beach?

Epoxy has the original functional, but it won't be for long.

Thanks.

Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010,

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I installed a Sealand 510. It is not available any more, but I think the Dometic 310 is almost identical. In any case, I'm pretty sure any RV toilet will fit. They are pretty standard.


Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307830 is a reply to message #307824] Mon, 26 September 2016 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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2X on the 510.
Best shitter you can buy. Laughing


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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307834 is a reply to message #307824] Mon, 26 September 2016 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Read here
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g4966-sealand-210.html

And see it LIVE at the GMCWS rally
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On Sunday, September 25, 2016, Adolph Santorine
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> Which vitreous china toilets fit in a Palm Beach?
>
> Epoxy has the original functional, but it won't be for long.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE N8JPC
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> 1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission,
> EV-6010,
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307857 is a reply to message #307824] Mon, 26 September 2016 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Look here also:

http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/search?q=toilet


it was a dometic 310, very easily found, and inexpensive. This is the taller toilet that I installed.


as for my review after having this toilet for a couple years now, you have to be careful on pushing down the pedal to just add water and not dump the water. Very little movement between water valve opening and the water dumping. I also seen to have the dump seal is not so good, because it does not hold water in the bowl anymore for long time. (maybe 4-6 hours?, I usually come back to a dry bowl now, but maybe adding some olive oil or something would help, since that seal sits dry all winter and other long period of times).

for the price, and ease of install, the toilet is just perfect. i think I paid like $130 for the toilet.


Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307858 is a reply to message #307824] Mon, 26 September 2016 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steve Jess is currently offline  Steve Jess   United States
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I just installed a Dometic 310 in mine. Adventure RV has them with the hand spray for $110. The bowl is china though some of the body is plastic.


http://www.adventurerv.net/dometic-310-china-toilet-bone-hand-spray-p-14710.html


Dometic 310 RV China Toilet Bone w/ hand spray - $108.14
www.adventurerv.net
The best-in-class flush. The elegant 310 china toilet has everything you want...a powerful, 100% bowl coverage flush, great looks and a great price. T..





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Which vitreous china toilets fit in a Palm Beach?

Epoxy has the original functional, but it won't be for long.

Thanks.

Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010,

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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307859 is a reply to message #307857] Mon, 26 September 2016 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My local RV parts place says to use Silicone grease on the "O" ring on the
blade seal. I bought some silicone grease "Oatey" part number 30219 at
Lowe's in the plumbing department. I gloved up and smeared the grease on
the valve in my toilet. Took a couple of days, but it now seals like it did
when it was new. I was going to rebuild it, but now I don't have to for a
while. Don't know how long that will work, but we'll see.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
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On Sep 26, 2016 10:40 AM, "Jon Roche" wrote:

> Look here also:
>
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/search?q=toilet
>
>
> it was a dometic 310, very easily found, and inexpensive. This is the
> taller toilet that I installed.
>
>
> as for my review after having this toilet for a couple years now, you
> have to be careful on pushing down the pedal to just add water and not dump
> the
> water. Very little movement between water valve opening and the water
> dumping. I also seen to have the dump seal is not so good, because it
> does
> not hold water in the bowl anymore for long time. (maybe 4-6 hours?, I
> usually come back to a dry bowl now, but maybe adding some olive oil or
> something would help, since that seal sits dry all winter and other long
> period of times).
>
> for the price, and ease of install, the toilet is just perfect. i think
> I paid like $130 for the toilet.
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307872 is a reply to message #307824] Mon, 26 September 2016 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
captjack is currently offline  captjack   United States
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My wife bought me a Dometic 310 as a birthday present. About $130 after tax and shipping. Hmmmm

Anyway, it went in easily and there we no fitment probglems, and I was able to give the old "Aqua Magic" away so I didn't have it sitting around. I like the extra height.


Jack Christensen - K6ROW, '76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet", Sebastopol, CA
Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307874 is a reply to message #307824] Mon, 26 September 2016 16:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chri$, here's the best. You can't buy it, but you can build one for cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXXYzpCIhU

I din't think it will fit in the coach though.

--johnny


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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307876 is a reply to message #307874] Mon, 26 September 2016 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, how I grew up. Three rooms and a PATH. Everyone else in town had the
same. Mill town in the Cascade foothills. This summer I had the Roto-rooter
guys out to get rid of the roots in my septic system. First guy hung up his
snake in the pipe and gave up. Left the snake in the pipe, the toilet off
the flange, and put his machine in the truck and left. Three hours a
"technician" came out, put a TV camera down the pipe, and said " Yep, looks
like he hung up in the baffles" Hooked his machine onto the snake, put it
in reverse, and backed it out of the pipe. Not till he broke the pipe,
though. Wanted about $3000.00 to fix the damage they caused. They didn't
get the job. Kinda wishing for an outhouse about then. (Grin) All is well
now.
Jim Hupy
On Sep 26, 2016 2:22 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Chri$, here's the best. You can't buy it, but you can build one for cheap.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXXYzpCIhU
>
> I din't think it will fit in the coach though.
>
> --johnny
>
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
>
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> dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307877 is a reply to message #307876] Mon, 26 September 2016 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gee. I must be a pup - worst thing was mowing the grass overt the septic tank...

Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission, EV-6010,


> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:44 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> Yep, how I grew up. Three rooms and a PATH. Everyone else in town had the
> same. Mill town in the Cascade foothills. This summer I had the Roto-rooter
> guys out to get rid of the roots in my septic system. First guy hung up his
> snake in the pipe and gave up. Left the snake in the pipe, the toilet off
> the flange, and put his machine in the truck and left. Three hours a
> "technician" came out, put a TV camera down the pipe, and said " Yep, looks
> like he hung up in the baffles" Hooked his machine onto the snake, put it
> in reverse, and backed it out of the pipe. Not till he broke the pipe,
> though. Wanted about $3000.00 to fix the damage they caused. They didn't
> get the job. Kinda wishing for an outhouse about then. (Grin) All is well
> now.
> Jim Hupy
> On Sep 26, 2016 2:22 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Chri$, here's the best. You can't buy it, but you can build one for cheap.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXXYzpCIhU
>>
>> I din't think it will fit in the coach though.
>>
>> --johnny
>>
>> --
>> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
>> add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>>
>> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my
>> dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307883 is a reply to message #307877] Mon, 26 September 2016 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Saw a double decker outhouse at a western museum this past summer.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g60458-d3865245-r382597533-Grand_Encampment_Museum-Encampment_Wyoming.html#photos ;geo=60458&detail=3865245&ff=211049843&albumViewMode=hero&albumid=103&baseMediaId=211049843&thumbnailMinWidth=50&cnt=30&am p;offset=-1&filter=2



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Adolph Santorine
wrote:

> Gee. I must be a pup - worst thing was mowing the grass overt the septic
> tank...
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE N8JPC
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> 1-ton, Sullybuilt Bags, Reaction Arms, 3.70 LSD, Manny Transmission,
> EV-6010,
>
>
>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 5:44 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> Yep, how I grew up. Three rooms and a PATH. Everyone else in town had the
>> same. Mill town in the Cascade foothills. This summer I had the
> Roto-rooter
>> guys out to get rid of the roots in my septic system. First guy hung up
> his
>> snake in the pipe and gave up. Left the snake in the pipe, the toilet off
>> the flange, and put his machine in the truck and left. Three hours a
>> "technician" came out, put a TV camera down the pipe, and said " Yep,
> looks
>> like he hung up in the baffles" Hooked his machine onto the snake, put it
>> in reverse, and backed it out of the pipe. Not till he broke the pipe,
>> though. Wanted about $3000.00 to fix the damage they caused. They didn't
>> get the job. Kinda wishing for an outhouse about then. (Grin) All is well
>> now.
>> Jim Hupy
>> On Sep 26, 2016 2:22 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Chri$, here's the best. You can't buy it, but you can build one for
> cheap.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXXYzpCIhU
>>>
>>> I din't think it will fit in the coach though.
>>>
>>> --johnny
>>>
>>> --
>>> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods
> and
>>> add - ons.
>>> Braselton, Ga.
>>>
>>> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my
>>> dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
>>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307900 is a reply to message #307824] Tue, 27 September 2016 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Michael Leipold is currently offline  Michael Leipold   United States
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I have seen posts that the 310 wobbles without a lot of sealant.
Can anyone chime in that has installed a 310?
I see the following adapter for sale, has anyone used one of these?

http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=54628&rewrote&affiliateid=5193&gclid=CPOnvsTKr88CFQ9ahgodKbgEsw


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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307901 is a reply to message #307900] Tue, 27 September 2016 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think that adaptor does a person any good. that is to take a 2 bolt toilet flange, to make it a 4 bolt. I think the new toilet flanges are set up for 4 bolt?

Anyhow, the 310 toilet does only use 2 bolts to hold it to the floor, and i would agree, that is not quite enough, especially when the toilet flange mount is plastic, and you have to be careful not to overtighten the bolts and crack the flange. I used some good RTV silicone sealant(the kind you use on an aquarium to seal the seams), and that made the toilet sit tight to the floor with no wobble.

I am not sure what toilets use a 4 bolt mount to the floor, or might have a bigger base, or what those might cost for those upgraded mounting features. But with the sealant, my 310 sits solid.



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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307903 is a reply to message #307900] Tue, 27 September 2016 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don’t know about the adapter, but you're increasing the price of the toilet by a fair amount just to mount it. I have installed several toilets in coaches that I have rebuilt, the last one that I put in the stretch was the Aqua-Magic Style Plus which comes in both low and High profile. Didn’t require any adapters, works well and the wife likes it. (Important)



The low profile is about 12.5 inches tall and the 17.5 inches. A lot of people like the high profile unit which is ADA compliant.

There are many choices out there and you must decide what you want.

JR Wright
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1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
> On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Michael wrote:
>
> I have seen posts that the 310 wobbles without a lot of sealant.
> Can anyone chime in that has installed a 310?
> I see the following adapter for sale, has anyone used one of these?
>
> http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=54628&rewrote&affiliateid=5193&gclid=CPOnvsTKr88CFQ9ahgodKbgEsw
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307905 is a reply to message #307903] Tue, 27 September 2016 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JR,

I installed the "tall" version in Double Trouble and brought one back to Australia in my luggage for The Blue Streak.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
From: John Wright

I don't know about the adapter, but you're increasing the price of the toilet by a fair amount just to mount it. I have installed
several toilets in coaches that I have rebuilt, the last one that I put in the stretch was the Aqua-Magic Style Plus which comes in
both low and High profile. Didn't require any adapters, works well and the wife likes it. (Important)



The low profile is about 12.5 inches tall and the 17.5 inches. A lot of people like the high profile unit which is ADA compliant.

There are many choices out there and you must decide what you want.

JR Wright



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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307908 is a reply to message #307905] Tue, 27 September 2016 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I used this adapter plate when going from 9 and 3 o'clock positions to 11
and 5 o'clock.

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Jones-Stephens-C85000-Closet-Flange-Repair-Ring

I had to remove the outer hole mounts to fit the bottom of the toilet.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> JR,
>
> I installed the "tall" version in Double Trouble and brought one back to
> Australia in my luggage for The Blue Streak.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Wright
>
> I don't know about the adapter, but you're increasing the price of the
> toilet by a fair amount just to mount it. I have installed
> several toilets in coaches that I have rebuilt, the last one that I put in
> the stretch was the Aqua-Magic Style Plus which comes in
> both low and High profile. Didn't require any adapters, works well and
> the wife likes it. (Important)
>
> style-plus-high-profile-white/27876>
>
> The low profile is about 12.5 inches tall and the 17.5 inches. A lot of
> people like the high profile unit which is ADA compliant.
>
> There are many choices out there and you must decide what you want.
>
> JR Wright
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Toilet [message #307915 is a reply to message #307908] Tue, 27 September 2016 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am assuming that at least a couple of you guys experienced cut off 55 gallon oil drums and adding diesel to the mixture.
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Yea, it doesn’t fit inside the bath module.

JR Wright
> On Sep 27, 2016, at 8:33 PM, Thomas Phipps wrote:
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> I am assuming that at least a couple of you guys experienced cut off 55 gallon oil drums and adding diesel to the mixture.
> Tom, MS II
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