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[GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307048] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 13:14 |
fbhtxak
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I have isolated the source of the leak to the right rear corner of the pan
(as seated in the driver seat). 'Have "diapered" all case penetrations to
insure that no ATF is coming from them. 'Have tried many different pan
gaskets over the years (and gasket sealants) but none completely stops the
leak. The gasket that appears to work the best is a NAPA # 14525. Emery
Stora reports using this gasket with good success. I installed that gasket
during the last service about 6K miles ago.
The NAPA gasket controls the leakage to about 1/2 pint (measured from a drip
pan) over several months of non-use.
There is no leakage when traveling (as observed from no blow-back onto a
clean, oil-free underbody).
There does not appear to be a problem with the integrity of the
transmission case or pan at the leak location.
I have been unable to convincingly rule out the chain cover as the source of
(or contributor to) the leak. If mine is leaking, the source would be from
just above the pan/case interface location stated above.
Thoughts on proving(or disproving) the chain cover as the source of the
leak?
Also, thoughts on why the pan still leaks (if not from the chain cover)
despite my attempts with a variety of gaskets (and sealants applied to the
gaskets) to stop it.
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Re: [GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307049 is a reply to message #307048] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 13:25 |
C Boyd
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Brake cleaner and wipe dry. Spray baby powder on suspected area. Start it up. Round the block maybe.
fbhtxak wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 14:14I have isolated the source of the leak to the right rear corner of the pan
(as seated in the driver seat). 'Have "diapered" all case penetrations to
insure that no ATF is coming from them. 'Have tried many different pan
gaskets over the years (and gasket sealants) but none completely stops the
leak. The gasket that appears to work the best is a NAPA # 14525. Emery
Stora reports using this gasket with good success. I installed that gasket
during the last service about 6K miles ago.
The NAPA gasket controls the leakage to about 1/2 pint (measured from a drip
pan) over several months of non-use.
There is no leakage when traveling (as observed from no blow-back onto a
clean, oil-free underbody).
There does not appear to be a problem with the integrity of the
transmission case or pan at the leak location.
I have been unable to convincingly rule out the chain cover as the source of
(or contributor to) the leak. If mine is leaking, the source would be from
just above the pan/case interface location stated above.
Thoughts on proving(or disproving) the chain cover as the source of the
leak?
Also, thoughts on why the pan still leaks (if not from the chain cover)
despite my attempts with a variety of gaskets (and sealants applied to the
gaskets) to stop it.
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Re: [GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307053 is a reply to message #307048] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 14:11 |
lqqkatjon
Messages: 2324 Registered: October 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN
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my memory from reading here, and what I believe my own coach suffers from:
torque converter leak down. from my understanding, When running, fluid is in torque converter, no leak. When you stop, and park it, the converter leaks down and over fills the pan, causing some leaking out the pan gasket, cover or who knows??? Also why it is recommended to check/deal with the fluid level after the coach is warm and has been driven, then you have the accurate "underway" level of transmission fluid in the pan.
I have never seen mine drip a drop of ATF going down the road or running. But evidence of underside of transmission and the concrete where I park the coach, it leaks when parked. I attribute it to the converter draining down. Not thinking if I change any gaskets it will really quit.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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Re: [GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307054 is a reply to message #307053] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 14:29 |
Jon payne
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Hi Jon, my experience is the same as yours. During the summer when the GMC is in operation, no leaks to speak of. As soon as it sits a while it starts to leak, not a whole lot, just enough to stain the concrete a bit. I installed a Ragusa trans pan so I could add a trans temp sensor, have the extra capacity and hopefully stop the leaks but I think the Ragusa pans leaks worse than the OEM pan! I did have better luck with the rubber trans gasket from Napa over the cork one.
Jon
Jon Payne
76 Palm Beach
Westfield,IN
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Re: [GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307058 is a reply to message #307057] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 16:39 |
Carl S.
Messages: 4186 Registered: January 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ.
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Last Fall, I changed from a Rockwell transmission pan to a Ragusa pan. Jim K sent me a gasket with the new pan, and I think it was a FelPro cork gasket. I installed it dry and haven't had any leakage problems since. The gasket has nice tight holes for the bolts so it stays in place and seals really well.
The reason I changed pans was that I could not get the Rockwell to seal. I thought I had it, but about 300 miles into the next trip, it was leaking badly from where the pan gasket had slid into the pan. I stopped at an O'Reilly's in Moab and got some brake cleaner to hose it down with, then squeezed in some "friction additive resistant" Permatex RTV and it held until I got home and changed the whole mess out. Maybe if you t4ack the leak down to the chain case, you could try that method of sealing it.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307060 is a reply to message #307053] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 16:40 |
Ken Burton
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lqqkatjon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 14:11my memory from reading here, and what I believe my own coach suffers from:
torque converter leak down. from my understanding, When running, fluid is in torque converter, no leak. When you stop, and park it, the converter leaks down and over fills the pan, causing some leaking out the pan gasket, cover or who knows??? Also why it is recommended to check/deal with the fluid level after the coach is warm and has been driven, then you have the accurate "underway" level of transmission fluid in the pan.
I have never seen mine drip a drop of ATF going down the road or running. But evidence of underside of transmission and the concrete where I park the coach, it leaks when parked. I attribute it to the converter draining down. Not thinking if I change any gaskets it will really quit.
I have exactly the same problem on a Blazer that I own with 225,000 miles on it. If I park it for 2 or 3 days, no leak. If I park it a week or long longer it starts to drip on the floor. Conventional wisdom says that it is a leaking converter. You can see it raise the level by simply checking the dip stick every day without running the engine. I'm not going to pull the trans and 4wd drive unit on it to fix it. It is much simpler to put a drip pan under it and add 1/2 a quart of fluid once a year.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] ATF Leak at Transmission Pan (or chain cover?) [message #307062 is a reply to message #307060] |
Mon, 12 September 2016 17:04 |
James Hupy
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They are just marking their territory. Leak down from the pump is a common
problem with many G.M. transmissions, but many never reveal it because
their gasket to sealing surfaces are intimate. Many can be encouraged
to not leak by massaging the sheet metal oil pan where the fasteners
penetrate the mating faces. I use a body hammer and dolly to flatten the
flanges where they have been distorted by overtorquing the fasteners. I use
button head internal hex head fasteners on my own stuff, with buna-n "O"
rings under the heads. They "usually" do not leak. When mounting the black
composition gasket that Manny T and also my tranny guy Sam recommend, I
spray both sides of it with "hi-tack" permatex gasket sealant and mount it
wet. Do not overtorque. 25 inch pounds works fine. Just what I do.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or.
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Sep 12, 2016 2:41 PM, "Ken Burton" wrote:
> lqqkatjon wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 14:11
>> my memory from reading here, and what I believe my own coach suffers
> from:
>>
>> torque converter leak down. from my understanding, When running,
> fluid is in torque converter, no leak. When you stop, and park it, the
>> converter leaks down and over fills the pan, causing some leaking out
> the pan gasket, cover or who knows??? Also why it is recommended to
>> check/deal with the fluid level after the coach is warm and has been
> driven, then you have the accurate "underway" level of transmission fluid
> in
>> the pan.
>>
>> I have never seen mine drip a drop of ATF going down the road or
> running. But evidence of underside of transmission and the concrete where
> I
>> park the coach, it leaks when parked. I attribute it to the converter
> draining down. Not thinking if I change any gaskets it will really quit.
>
>
>
> I have exactly the same problem on a Blazer that I own with 225,000 miles
> on it. If I park it for 2 or 3 days, no leak. If I park it a week or long
> longer it starts to drip on the floor. Conventional wisdom says that it
> is a leaking converter. You can see it raise the level by simply checking
> the dip stick every day without running the engine. I'm not going to pull
> the trans and 4wd drive unit on it to fix it. It is much simpler to put a
> drip pan under it and add 1/2 a quart of fluid once a year.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
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